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UAW: Prepare to strike Delphi

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Hourly workers at Delphi Corp. should begin preparing to strike the auto parts maker if a bankruptcy judge throws out their contract, the UAW local at one of Delphi's largest U.S. plants told its members Tuesday.

A flyer passed out by Local 686 in Lockport, N.Y., marks the first time the union has talked openly about a walkout at the Troy-based auto supplier that filed for bankruptcy on Saturday.

Delphi's blue-collar workers are reeling from the plan the parts maker has laid out to return to profitability -- closing or selling "a significant segment" of its 31 U.S. plants, cutting wages for those workers who remain by more than 60% and reducing benefits.

The company wants a New York bankruptcy judge to put the UAW on notice that it must negotiate a new contract with Delphi by Dec. 16. If the union refuses, Delphi wants the judge to use his powers to nullify its labor contracts and impose Delphi's tough new terms on the union.

"Should this happen, the 'no strike' clause is lifted and the UAW has the right to authorize a strike," the flyer said. "We all need to prepare for this possibility."

A spokesman for the UAW leadership in Detroit declined to comment, and the UAW Local 686 in Lockport did not return a phone call seeking comment.

Delphi employs more than 4,000 workers at the Lockport plant, where it builds air-conditioning units, oil coolers, condensers and other parts. That represents about 17% of Delphi's overall UAW membership of 24,000.

By filing for bankruptcy Saturday, Delphi hopes to use the court's broad powers to restructure its debts, close money-losing plants and impose lower wages and benefits on workers whose factories remain open.

GM created the company in 1999 when it spun off almost all of its plants that make nearly every car or truck part. But Delphi has consistently lost money, largely because of the labor pacts it inherited from its days as a GM subsidiary.

A strike at Delphi could eventually close almost every auto plant that depends on it for parts, especially at GM, which remains Delphi's biggest customer, buying almost 50% of everything it makes.

"We had a preview of what a Delphi strike looks like in 1998 when the UAW struck just two plants including a Delphi facility in Flint, Michigan," said Harley Shaiken, professor at the University of California at Berkeley, specializing in labor issues. "A strike by the UAW at Delphi could mean the end of the company."

Those strikes at two Delphi parts plants virtually shut down GM across North America for nearly two months, causing its U.S. sales and market share to drop and costing millions of dollars.

But Delphi may be putting its factory workers in much the same position Northwest Airlines put its mechanics and plane cleaners this summer: demanding concessions that are so drastic, workers can't possibly accept them. In Northwest's case, it wanted to wipe out nearly half the union's jobs and cut the pay of those who remained by about 25%.

Given the choice of sign-or-walk, the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association walked Aug. 20.

"You either stand up for what you believe in or you roll over and take whatever management, doesn't matter what company, dictates to you," said Bob Rose, president of the union's local in Romulus.

http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/delphi12e_20051012.htm
 

Eli

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Wow.... to the very bitter end, eh?

Good. They should just hire a completely new crew.
 

jpeyton

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Time to cut the UAW loose. Give Toyota or Hyundai a call and ask them how to acquire skilled non-union labour at a reasonable wage.
 

shilala

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Flamefest in 3...2...1...

Let me be the first to say...
"Unions suck teh balls" and "we should all drive foreign cars because they are WAY better and that will solve everything".

Wow, only six minutes and I still can't be the first asswipe in.
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: shilala
Flamefest in 3...2...1...

Let me be the first to say...
"Unions suck teh balls" and "we should all drive foreign cars because they are WAY better and that will solve everything".

Wow, only six minutes and I still can't be the first asswipe in.


LOL...;) Time to go to work...


Anyways, it's funny how so many people on this board want to see all these UAW workers lose their jobs. Well?it?s not funny, and it?s not going to be good for the economy either?
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: shilala
Flamefest in 3...2...1...

Let me be the first to say...
"Unions suck teh balls" and "we should all drive foreign cars because they are WAY better and that will solve everything".

Wow, only six minutes and I still can't be the first asswipe in.

How does wanting to cut your bankrupt company from the death grip of the UAW and acquire skilled non-union labour at a reasonable wage equate to being asswipe-ish?

The UAW has survived this long without flexibility because nobody in their right mind would ever think General Motors could go belly up. But with Delphi filing for bankruptcy, a pending UAW strike, and continuing inflexibility from the union, it's getting very likely.

I'm having a hard time figuring out why Asian car manufacturer's with US plants can hire skilled labour, pay them a fair wage, give them good health benefits, and keep their employee satisfaction high while paying MUCH less than GM does.
 

rmrf

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: shilala
Flamefest in 3...2...1...

Let me be the first to say...
"Unions suck teh balls" and "we should all drive foreign cars because they are WAY better and that will solve everything".

Wow, only six minutes and I still can't be the first asswipe in.

How does wanting to cut your bankrupt company from the death grip of the UAW and acquire skilled non-union labour at a reasonable wage equate to being asswipe-ish?

The UAW has survived this long without flexibility because nobody in their right mind would ever think General Motors could go belly up. But with Delphi filing for bankruptcy, a pending UAW strike, and continuing inflexibility from the union, it's getting very likely.

I'm having a hard time figuring out why Asian car manufacturer's with US plants can hire skilled labour, pay them a fair wage, give them good health benefits, and keep their employee satisfaction high while paying MUCH less than GM does.

Because the union cuts so much off the top of what the employees make as an hourly wage, that the foreign manufacturers can still pay a non-union employee more than what a union employee makes, but still pay less at the same time.
 

imported_Shivetya

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Unions had a purpose when they were formed. Unfortunately too many of them will kill the hand that feeds them before taking less. I grew up around Youngstown Ohio. This attitude is the same that doomed the steel mills. Instead of taking the hard cuts they held onto the belief it was all a bluff because their union leadership said so. In the end the mills are gone along with the jobs.

It isn't the workers who are the problem, its the union people themselves. Most workers pay the equivalent of an hours labor each week as dues. I remember one friend who used to joke about the fact their union rep drove a mercedes while the rank and file got by with Chevys. Yet they all still paid.

Now some parts of the Delpi bankruptcy deal STINK. The benefits being paid out to some 400+ executives would make you puke. Bonuses of 50%-250% of a years salary and possibly 10% ownership in the company!!!

The worst unions are government employee unions. They have no purpose other than to stick it to the taxpayer. They excell at their job.
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: rmrf


Because the union cuts so much off the top of what the employees make as an hourly wage, that the foreign manufacturers can still pay a non-union employee more than what a union employee makes, but still pay less at the same time.


This is not true...

 

dartworth

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Changes have to be made. The UAW and management both know this. However, changes are not going to be made overnight. It?s not like GM or Ford can just fire everyone and ?start over? with a new crew. This is a culture and way of life for many people.

Change doesn?t come easy or cheap.
 

shilala

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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: shilala
Flamefest in 3...2...1...

Let me be the first to say...
"Unions suck teh balls" and "we should all drive foreign cars because they are WAY better and that will solve everything".

Wow, only six minutes and I still can't be the first asswipe in.


LOL...;) Time to go to work...


Anyways, it's funny how so many people on this board want to see all these UAW workers lose their jobs. Well?it?s not funny, and it?s not going to be good for the economy either?

You are a bad man.
Go be lazy at your decent paying job. TPAD, DIAF, and all that good shyt. :)

(Don't get hurt today, Darty.)
 

rmrf

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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: rmrf


Because the union cuts so much off the top of what the employees make as an hourly wage, that the foreign manufacturers can still pay a non-union employee more than what a union employee makes, but still pay less at the same time.


This is not true...

I guess the carpenters & joiners union could be different, but this was my experience with the union from 1999 - 2001.
 

KK

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So by shutting down the parts maker, thats going to also probably cause layoffs in GM's union workforce. interesting...
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: shilala
Flamefest in 3...2...1...

Let me be the first to say...
"Unions suck teh balls" and "we should all drive foreign cars because they are WAY better and that will solve everything".

Wow, only six minutes and I still can't be the first asswipe in.


LOL...;) Time to go to work...


Anyways, it's funny how so many people on this board want to see all these UAW workers lose their jobs. Well?it?s not funny, and it?s not going to be good for the economy either?

You are a bad man.
Go be lazy at your decent paying job. TPAD, DIAF, and all that good shyt. :)

(Don't get hurt today, Darty.)


Be safe brother...

Time to go to my overpaid union job...
 

shilala

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: shilala
Flamefest in 3...2...1...

Let me be the first to say...
"Unions suck teh balls" and "we should all drive foreign cars because they are WAY better and that will solve everything".

Wow, only six minutes and I still can't be the first asswipe in.

How does wanting to cut your bankrupt company from the death grip of the UAW and acquire skilled non-union labour at a reasonable wage equate to being asswipe-ish?

***Because I said so.

I'm having a hard time figuring out why Asian car manufacturer's with US plants can hire skilled labour, pay them a fair wage, give them good health benefits, and keep their employee satisfaction high while paying MUCH less than GM does.

Being as you are late in getting into this game, I wanted you to know it's already been determined by the mass of speds here at ATOT that there is no skill involved in creating automobiles. I believe the standard term used is "monkeys".
You may want to grab an edit on that one.
 

shilala

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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: shilala
Flamefest in 3...2...1...

Let me be the first to say...
"Unions suck teh balls" and "we should all drive foreign cars because they are WAY better and that will solve everything".

Wow, only six minutes and I still can't be the first asswipe in.


LOL...;) Time to go to work...


Anyways, it's funny how so many people on this board want to see all these UAW workers lose their jobs. Well?it?s not funny, and it?s not going to be good for the economy either?

You are a bad man.
Go be lazy at your decent paying job. TPAD, DIAF, and all that good shyt. :)

(Don't get hurt today, Darty.)


Be safe brother...

Time to go to my overpaid union job...
Me too, Darty. Gotta catch a meeting in 15 minutes.
Have a good one!!!

 

Analog

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Originally posted by: KK
So by shutting down the parts maker, thats going to also probably cause layoffs in GM's union workforce. interesting...

That's exactly what the UAW wants! They know that this will really hurt GM, and by hurting GM, they think that it is a lever for GM to bail out Delphi. Unfortunately, hurting GM can only hurt the UAW in the long run. GM is in a tight spot.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Originally posted by: KK
So by shutting down the parts maker, thats going to also probably cause layoffs in GM's union workforce. interesting...

That's exactly what the UAW wants! They know that this will really hurt GM, and by hurting GM, they think that it is a lever for GM to bail out Delphi. Unfortunately, hurting GM can only hurt the UAW in the long run. GM is in a tight spot.

Delphi was created in order for it to go broke.

 

LED

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: LED
Union suck and are way outdated...
Wow, so you're not that deep after all.


Just the facts...payem weekly for 25cents more that can be had anyways cause it's called COLA...In Japan which went free enterprise but no Union (because itr was in the 40-50's and non were needed...it's been smooth sailing ;)
 

meltdown75

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i'd probably make $5 less per hour if my union hadn't bargained so well for my latest contract... there's another round of bargaining coming up... mind you, i'm not an automotive worker at the moment but i have been in the past, under the CAW.

i don't understand why unions get flamed. i don't think many people here have ever dealt with them directly or been a member... they just like to flame them. it's definitely among OT's strangest phenomena imho.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: LED
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: LED
Union suck and are way outdated...
Wow, so you're not that deep after all.


Just the facts...payem weekly for 25cents more that can be had anyways cause it's called COLA...In Japan which went free enterprise but no Union (because itr was in the 40-50's and non were needed...it's been smooth sailing ;)
You obviously don't know any of the rollicking, contentious, sometimes violent history of the Japaneese labor movement in the 1950's, do you? :shocked: