U.S. warns Canada against easing marijuana laws

[Phuz]

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: Alistar7
The US has every right to make their opinion known, which is the only action they can really take. Canada has every right to pass laws as they see fit. They have already shown the courage to be independent from us without being combative or downright childish as others have recently.

Can't wait to see what Canada decides to do, the US shouldn't think only of the negative apsects. maybe having a couple of million potheads moving north would help us more than it hurt being legal there. Hey Canada, need a "little", lol, tax revenue boost, this should get quite a bit of $$$$ for ya in a hurry. Number 1 cash crop here, our dumb ass govt. spends BILLIONS annualy to NOT get any tax off that.....

first of all - how would you tax marijuana? Anyone can grow marijuana (thus we call it weed because it grows everywhere). If you could grow it in your backyard - or indoors - what at the hell would provoke you to go out and buy it - then pay the hefty tax? And then - no need for tobacco (which is harder to grow), because marijuana would replace tobacco use. Legalizing Marijuana would cripple the tobacco industry (there goes the campaign contributions), and HURT our economy. I don't understand your incessant compulsion to prove yourself - well um stupid.

"Wait, you mean to tell me the DARE program wasn't created because people were concerned about my health??" heh

There are curently test being done in Canada and other parts of the world for taxing marijuana. In this case, it is possible.
Dealers would be required to pick up tags and have a tag for every x/amount of marijauana they're selling. They have to pay for these tags, which would be issues by the government. The incesentive for someone to do this..... If the bag/pot is labled with one of the these tags the fine/law still apllies, but you're fine/jail time would be less. *looking for link..*

 

[desy]

They aren't proposing decriminalizing TRAFFICING quanitities only POSESSION.
If you have a bunch of dope and plan to sell it you are going to jail, you set up a hydroponics outfit you are going to jail
THIS is the major purpose of decriminalizing possesion quantities, so the courts can focus their time and effort on dealers instead of colledge kids who got high on the weekend.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Dude, basically what the DEA is saying is that Canadian bud is good. For every Canadian bud grower shipping to the US there's an order of magnitude more in the US. Why? Because it has much better margins than trying to sneak it across a damn international border!

Technology knows no border . . . except maybe Bush admin gray matter. If American pot growers visit the DEA website I bet a hundred new hydroponic pot labs started up right after they got the free tip on how to boost profits . . . grow it indoors and say it's from Canada!

Pots more expensive in America b/c of criminalization. The current search methods for trafficking SIGNIFICANT quantities of bud into the US will not change b/c Canada decriminalizes possession . . . especially if Canada adopts a very liberal standard like say 3oz. It is REALLY hard to hide 3oz of pot. You don't have to look very hard and the damn dogs will smell 3oz of pot in their sleep.

Let me summarize our arguements:

Me: Decriminalization will increase trafficing from Canada.
You: Decriminalization will increase trafficing from Canada insignifcantly.

Any Increase in trafficing will be met with stricter border controls and that will harm trade. Any increase, no matter how insigificant you percieve it to be will result in increased border security. Security hurts trade.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

In what way is that comparison valid?

Any European would go against both their national and international laws if they were to extradite OBL to ANY country that would kill him...

Naturally, the same goes for extradited Americans to any other nation...

How you can compare that to the US threatening consequenses for Canada if they legalize marijuana is beyond me... i cannot even refute it because the comparison is so far fetched that i don't know where to start...

It's only far fetched to you for the reasons I stated earlier. You're for it so it's OK. The comparison is not far fetched and is completely valid. We say drugs are legal in your country (a border country) so we're gonna make it harder for you to cross. The EU says we don't believe in the death penalty so you have to promise you won't before we extradite. Both parties are taking steps to affect the internal workings of another country.

No, i am not for it, or against it... Why should i care what Canada does in their own country?

Although i do understand what you mean with your comparison i still have problems with it just because of the differences...

If someone smuggles illegal drugs into the US, that is one thing, they should be punished, but that is not what this is all about, the US actually warns Canada about making their own laws...

The comparison: In one case, EU countries refuse to go against their own and international laws (we do not extradite prisoners who will be executed to anyone, not to Libya, not to the US), in the other case the US warns Canada about changing their laws...

As I have explained to numerous people already the case is simple. Canada is our largest trading partner. Easing of drug laws in canada would cause an explosion in the drug traffic across the canadian border. As a result the executive branch of the US government charged with enforcing the laws congress has passed would be responsible for stemming this flow of drugs from Canada to the US. Attempts to stem the flow would result in a tightening of the border with Canada into a stricter border situation we have with Mexico. These restrictions would ultimately harm US-Canada trade and would decimate the Canadian economy. This is what the Executive department is warning Canada about. Step cautiosly or trade will be harmed.

Actually, i think you are wrong, decriminalizing posession in Canada isn't going to increase drug traffic over the border, it is still illegal to cross the border with the stuff.... That hasn't changed...

As an example, study holland... most drugs are decriminalized there, yet the amount of drugs coming from holland hitting the streets of surrounding countries is lower than before... the drugs stays within the borders...

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: Phuz

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: Alistar7
The US has every right to make their opinion known, which is the only action they can really take. Canada has every right to pass laws as they see fit. They have already shown the courage to be independent from us without being combative or downright childish as others have recently.

Can't wait to see what Canada decides to do, the US shouldn't think only of the negative apsects. maybe having a couple of million potheads moving north would help us more than it hurt being legal there. Hey Canada, need a "little", lol, tax revenue boost, this should get quite a bit of $$$$ for ya in a hurry. Number 1 cash crop here, our dumb ass govt. spends BILLIONS annualy to NOT get any tax off that.....

first of all - how would you tax marijuana? Anyone can grow marijuana (thus we call it weed because it grows everywhere). If you could grow it in your backyard - or indoors - what at the hell would provoke you to go out and buy it - then pay the hefty tax? And then - no need for tobacco (which is harder to grow), because marijuana would replace tobacco use. Legalizing Marijuana would cripple the tobacco industry (there goes the campaign contributions), and HURT our economy. I don't understand your incessant compulsion to prove yourself - well um stupid.

"Wait, you mean to tell me the DARE program wasn't created because people were concerned about my health??" heh

There are curently test being done in Canada and other parts of the world for taxing marijuana. In this case, it is possible.
Dealers would be required to pick up tags and have a tag for every x/amount of marijauana they're selling. They have to pay for these tags, which would be issues by the government. The incesentive for someone to do this..... If the bag/pot is labled with one of the these tags the fine/law still apllies, but you're fine/jail time would be less. *looking for link..*

how would that stop you from growing it yourself?

 

[HappyGamer2]

if we had the same laws as canada on this there would be no problem, so what is the problem? It's the federal US goverment

 

[vegeto456]

The THC content is higher and the quality is better. Decriminalization in Canada will explode the hydroponically grown market far beyond anything seen now.

Note to self: Move to Canada

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
if we had the same laws as canada on this there would be no problem, so what is the problem? It's the federal US goverment

And if everyone could just get along there would be no need for hostilities... so what is the problem? most people cannot get along...

 

[Phuz]

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: Phuz

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: Alistar7
The US has every right to make their opinion known, which is the only action they can really take. Canada has every right to pass laws as they see fit. They have already shown the courage to be independent from us without being combative or downright childish as others have recently.

Can't wait to see what Canada decides to do, the US shouldn't think only of the negative apsects. maybe having a couple of million potheads moving north would help us more than it hurt being legal there. Hey Canada, need a "little", lol, tax revenue boost, this should get quite a bit of $$$$ for ya in a hurry. Number 1 cash crop here, our dumb ass govt. spends BILLIONS annualy to NOT get any tax off that.....

first of all - how would you tax marijuana? Anyone can grow marijuana (thus we call it weed because it grows everywhere). If you could grow it in your backyard - or indoors - what at the hell would provoke you to go out and buy it - then pay the hefty tax? And then - no need for tobacco (which is harder to grow), because marijuana would replace tobacco use. Legalizing Marijuana would cripple the tobacco industry (there goes the campaign contributions), and HURT our economy. I don't understand your incessant compulsion to prove yourself - well um stupid.

"Wait, you mean to tell me the DARE program wasn't created because people were concerned about my health??" heh

There are curently test being done in Canada and other parts of the world for taxing marijuana. In this case, it is possible.
Dealers would be required to pick up tags and have a tag for every x/amount of marijauana they're selling. They have to pay for these tags, which would be issues by the government. The incesentive for someone to do this..... If the bag/pot is labled with one of the these tags the fine/law still apllies, but you're fine/jail time would be less. *looking for link..*

how would that stop you from growing it yourself?

It wouldn't... you're missing the point.
If you're going to act illegal, why not have a little bit of a safety net to work with?
Its in both parties interest to take advantage of this system. The government gets money, and the dealers (who are going to deal anyway) won't get grilled as bad if they have the tags.

 

[desy]

GAWD
Growing it is ILLEGAL having it on your person IS ILLEGAL, you just won't end up with a criminal record.

SO THE COURT CAN SPEND TIME AND EFFORT CATCHING DEALERS

What is so confusing about this ? You can argue that it is a slippery slope to legalization BUT THAT ISN"T WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: vegeto456

The THC content is higher and the quality is better. Decriminalization in Canada will explode the hydroponically grown market far beyond anything seen now.

Note to self: Move to Canada

I really am mistified by the US goverment's ludicrous assertion that pot grown in BC is somehow superpowered and much stronger than anything before.
Errrr, no. It's not like BC's water has plutonium in it or anything
Actually, most pot exported out of BC is of commercial grade.... *GOOD* commercial grade mind you, but still commercial (thier best stuff is almost always kept local).
Of course, it absolutely KILLS mexican brick schwag which is by far the most common commercial in the southwest/south of the US.

In reality, some of the best pot in the world is grown in the US. Oregon and California are WORLD famous for thier pot genetics.
Oregon is the home of a man named DJ Short... the breeder who created blueberry and Flo among other famous strains.
In fact, an Indica developed in Southern California called 'Hog' or 'Hogsbreath' recently won it's category at the 2002 Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam.
Ever hear of that wonderful strain bubblegum? Created in Indiana.

Canada has great cannabis mind you. But the US holds its own with anyone.
My current home country, Australia, also has produced well known genetics and breeders.
Oh, and our very own very tiny little Amsterdam called Nimbin.
It's no coincedence I live here.

BTW, I highly reccomend attending the Cannabis Cup as a judge.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: Guspaz
So, now the US is telling us what laws we can and can't pass? I thought the US was pro-democracy, not pro-dictatorship.

Right because as we all know no other country tries to tell the US what to do and of course none of them take action if we don't comply. Right?

Right.

When was the last time any country tried to tell the US what substances they are allowed to make legal, and threatend with "consequenses" if they did not comply?

Right.

So in that pea brain of yours you've decided that it's OK for one country to try to effect the laws of another as long as it's something you agree with. Does that about cover your argument?

Better watch it, or SnapIT will rip your arms out of your sockets.