It's only far fetched to you for the reasons I stated earlier. You're for it so it's OK. The comparison is not far fetched and is completely valid. We say drugs are legal in your country (a border country) so we're gonna make it harder for you to cross. The EU says we don't believe in the death penalty so you have to promise you won't before we extradite. Both parties are taking steps to affect the internal workings of another country.
It's only far fetched to you for the reasons I stated earlier. You're for it so it's OK. The comparison is not far fetched and is completely valid. We say drugs are legal in your country (a border country) so we're gonna make it harder for you to cross. The EU says we don't believe in the death penalty so you have to promise you won't before we extradite. Both parties are taking steps to affect the internal workings of another country.
The US has every right to make their opinion known, which is the only action they can really take. Canada has every right to pass laws as they see fit. They have already shown the courage to be independent from us without being combative or downright childish as others have recently.
Can't wait to see what Canada decides to do, the US shouldn't think only of the negative apsects. maybe having a couple of million potheads moving north would help us more than it hurt being legal there. Hey Canada, need a "little", lol, tax revenue boost, this should get quite a bit of $$$$ for ya in a hurry. Number 1 cash crop here, our dumb ass govt. spends BILLIONS annualy to NOT get any tax off that.....
Can't wait to see what Canada decides to do, the US shouldn't think only of the negative apsects. maybe having a couple of million potheads moving north would help us more than it hurt being legal there. Hey Canada, need a "little", lol, tax revenue boost, this should get quite a bit of $$$$ for ya in a hurry. Number 1 cash crop here, our dumb ass govt. spends BILLIONS annualy to NOT get any tax off that.....
Yeah, right. They'll be concequences. Sanctions, sanctions, and.. more sanctions. Read: Softwood lumber crisis.
I'm not sure I buy your reasoning Ultra Quiet. The US is notorious for trying to influence the globe through its policies (say Cuba/Helms-Burton). Canada isn't asking the US to do anything other than mind its own business. The US is asking Canada to regulate the activity of US AND Canadian citizens based on the standard set in America.
I'm sure at least one Canadian died in the WTC. If OBL was tried (justifiably so) in Canada for conspiracy to commit murder and was sentenced to life imprisonment what purpose would extradiction serve anyway? Having captured an INTERNATIONAL criminal why not hold/treat OBL under international standards?
Oops, I know. The US has no respect for international accords. As long as we hold tightly to the hierarchy; 1-412) Our way . . . followed by 413) everybody else . . . don't be surprised if no one bends over backwards to help us out.
I'm sure at least one Canadian died in the WTC. If OBL was tried (justifiably so) in Canada for conspiracy to commit murder and was sentenced to life imprisonment what purpose would extradiction serve anyway? Having captured an INTERNATIONAL criminal why not hold/treat OBL under international standards?
Oops, I know. The US has no respect for international accords. As long as we hold tightly to the hierarchy; 1-412) Our way . . . followed by 413) everybody else . . . don't be surprised if no one bends over backwards to help us out.
The Bush family loses money if prison building decreases. The GOP coffers will hurt too. The Democrats are but marginally better if at all.
I thought there were many who officially supported our action, their will be an 18 nation force helping keep the peace in Iraq temporarily. Should we only listen to the 3 major dissenters who were nothing more than complicit to crimes and only protecting their financial interests? Please.
Italy and Spain are the equals to a Germany or a France and they supported us. The EU was pretty divided over this issue.
If Bush's policy has been so horrible and we are the one in the wrong, why did France, Germany, Russia, Canada, and China all make every effort to kiss our butts? Why did NK, Syria, Iran suddenly become so agreeable? Gotta love NK, "we need nukes because of US pre-emptive policy, were next, ok, we really only wanted some of their food" lol, don't worry, we will feed you even though you don't deserve it for pulling crap like that. Why is there a 3 yr plan for the creation of Palestine being led by the US and supported worldwide? Why are we pulling out of SA as they agree to begin democratic reform.
So once Iraq and SA are democratic, Palestine is real and democratic along with Israel. Lebanon and Syria are stable, all of these nations co-existing peacefully, will you finally give him some credit. Maybe it won't turn out that way, but the intentions are noble and the right thing to do. I especially like the fact someone has finally told Israel it's time for their games to stop as well.
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UQ - You really don't think there's something wrong with the USA threatening consequences if Canada decriminalizes marijuana? You're not just playing devil's advocate here?
What consequences were threatened? The only consequence that the guy in the article could deliver on is possibly making it harder to cross the border. That's hardly the point. The point is that this goes on all the time, by all countries. Our problem is that we do it through a megaphone and everyone else understands the subtle nuances of diplomacy.
Canada better watch it's step anyway. They have recently been designated as having the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world behind only Saudi Arabia. We already own Alaska so a second front won't be an issue this time. Ketchup flavored potato chips could certainly be considered WMD so . . .
Sh!t. I hit quote instead of edit.
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Man. I don't know what you're smoking, but you better hope Canada ignores the U.S. or you're going to have to leave the continent.
Spin to you heart's content, but the plain, simple, inarguable truth is that the U.S. action in Iraq was opposed by most of the rest of the world, by any measure. Most countries, most population, most military might, most economic might, most land mass, whatever measure you want to invent. Bush's so-called "Coalition of the Willing" was dominated by tiny countries who depend upon the good graces of the U.S. Even some of them denied they belonged on the list once they found out Bush listed them.
The "Coalition of the Willing" is a joke. It is a rationalization by people who are ashamed to admit the U.S. acted on its own. You undermine your own credibility by pretending otherwise.
What are you talking about? You know you can't have a credible international effort without Uganda and Palau on board!
Okay. There's a lot of crap flying around in this thread. Let's clean it up a bit shall we?
First, Canada is not considering legalizing pot. We're talking about decriminalizing it. I dunno about the states, but up here we have to types of law and two types of crimes.
In fact, pot use is already allowed in Canada when prescribed by a doctor.
Pot will not be made legal in Canada by any of this. Just not criminal.
Most importantly, I don't see anything that was said which was a threat to Canada or suggesting that we should change our policy. What that person did (whoever he is) is simply point out that if Canada were to FURTHER decriminalize pot, there would have to be a lot more beurocracy and tie ups at the border crossings to prevent it from coming into the U.S. It's not a threat. It's simply what would happen.
Sometimes I think all Americans freak out about anything they can and are so....what's the term you guys would use? "left wing or right wing?"
First, Canada is not considering legalizing pot. We're talking about decriminalizing it. I dunno about the states, but up here we have to types of law and two types of crimes.
In fact, pot use is already allowed in Canada when prescribed by a doctor.
Pot will not be made legal in Canada by any of this. Just not criminal.
Most importantly, I don't see anything that was said which was a threat to Canada or suggesting that we should change our policy. What that person did (whoever he is) is simply point out that if Canada were to FURTHER decriminalize pot, there would have to be a lot more beurocracy and tie ups at the border crossings to prevent it from coming into the U.S. It's not a threat. It's simply what would happen.
Sometimes I think all Americans freak out about anything they can and are so....what's the term you guys would use? "left wing or right wing?"
Well, it's not the dumbest thing I've heard today, but it's close. If you remember, the Clinton Administration saw the largest increase in size of any administration. Democrats have always been the big government people because they want all the extra government programs to "help people" (I won't debate the validity of this notion here).
Even my Democrat friends would tell you they want bigger government programs. In fact, I watched the first Democratic Presidential debate today and more programs was a common theme. There are so many other things that Republicans wrong, and you pick the wrong subject.
No, i am not for it, or against it... Why should i care what Canada does in their own country?
Although i do understand what you mean with your comparison i still have problems with it just because of the differences...
If someone smuggles illegal drugs into the US, that is one thing, they should be punished, but that is not what this is all about, the US actually warns Canada about making their own laws...
The comparison: In one case, EU countries refuse to go against their own and international laws (we do not extradite prisoners who will be executed to anyone, not to Libya, not to the US), in the other case the US warns Canada about changing their laws...
first of all - how would you tax marijuana? Anyone can grow marijuana (thus we call it weed because it grows everywhere). If you could grow it in your backyard - or indoors - what at the hell would provoke you to go out and buy it - then pay the hefty tax? And then - no need for tobacco (which is harder to grow), because marijuana would replace tobacco use. Legalizing Marijuana would cripple the tobacco industry (there goes the campaign contributions), and HURT our economy. I don't understand your incessant compulsion to prove yourself - well um stupid.
"Wait, you mean to tell me the DARE program wasn't created because people were concerned about my health??" heh
Don't forget Micronesia. Seriously though Alistair, you are too much of an optimist and not enough of a realist. Starting off with Palestine, Bush can say what he wants, if Sharon does not want to do it, he won't. It's happened before, it will happen again and good luck getting funding for Israel cut as a countermeasure to them not listning, you will be labeled an anti-Semite and publicly burned at the stake on Fox News. Never forget this simple fact: WE ARE ISRAEL'S BITCH. Not the other way around. Forget that, the majority of his own party is stauchly pro-Israel, and he is not going to mess around with that. America will never be an "honest broker" in that debacle. Furthermore, I think others have proved that the "Coalition of the Willing" was the biggest joke in the world, even countries like Spain and Italy who officially supported us had populations where the majoirty were staunchly against the war. We talked about SA becoming democratic in a different thread, but I cannot remember if you responded to my argument on the problems involved, the point was, not anytime soon if ever, atleast not a shadow of what we consider to be true democracy. People are not as happy and things are not as peachy as you often claim. While it would be wonderful if your utopian vision was realized, I don't think its going to happen anytime soon, and Bush will definetly not be the cause of it.
As I have explained to numerous people already the case is simple. Canada is our largest trading partner. Easing of drug laws in canada would cause an explosion in the drug traffic across the canadian border. As a result the executive branch of the US government charged with enforcing the laws congress has passed would be responsible for stemming this flow of drugs from Canada to the US. Attempts to stem the flow would result in a tightening of the border with Canada into a stricter border situation we have with Mexico. These restrictions would ultimately harm US-Canada trade and would decimate the Canadian economy. This is what the Executive department is warning Canada about. Step cautiosly or trade will be harmed.
Dude are you kidding?! There's no tidal wave anticipated from Canada . . . unless of course dime bags and three rolled joints under the seat of a Beetle qualifies. Decriminalization in Canada will have little effect on the typical pothead in America. The majority of our MJ will still be homegrown or from Mexico (two countries where MJ is criminalized)!
http://www.dea.gov/concern/drug_trafficking.html
Hydroponically grown Bud from Canada is one of the fastest growing form of trafficing in the US. The THC content is higher and the quality is better. Decriminalization in Canada will explode the hydroponically grown market far beyond anything seen now. Given the quality and THC content of the export it will be EXTREMELY lucrative to export the product to the US and it is not unlikely that Canada could quickly become the number one supplier of marijuana to the US. ANY increase in the trafficing across the Canadian border will necessitate a ratcheting up of border security. Any increase in security will harm trade.
Dude, basically what the DEA is saying is that Canadian bud is good. For every Canadian bud grower shipping to the US there's an order of magnitude more in the US. Why? Because it has much better margins than trying to sneak it across a damn international border!
Technology knows no border . . . except maybe Bush admin gray matter. If American pot growers visit the DEA website I bet a hundred new hydroponic pot labs started up right after they got the free tip on how to boost profits . . . grow it indoors and say it's from Canada!
Pots more expensive in America b/c of criminalization. The current search methods for trafficking SIGNIFICANT quantities of bud into the US will not change b/c Canada decriminalizes possession . . . especially if Canada adopts a very liberal standard like say 3oz. It is REALLY hard to hide 3oz of pot. You don't have to look very hard and the damn dogs will smell 3oz of pot in their sleep.
Technology knows no border . . . except maybe Bush admin gray matter. If American pot growers visit the DEA website I bet a hundred new hydroponic pot labs started up right after they got the free tip on how to boost profits . . . grow it indoors and say it's from Canada!
Pots more expensive in America b/c of criminalization. The current search methods for trafficking SIGNIFICANT quantities of bud into the US will not change b/c Canada decriminalizes possession . . . especially if Canada adopts a very liberal standard like say 3oz. It is REALLY hard to hide 3oz of pot. You don't have to look very hard and the damn dogs will smell 3oz of pot in their sleep.
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