U.S. Wants No Warming Proposal

[RabidMongoose]

So are there no scientists that say the opposite in that man made warming isn't enough? I thought there were...

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

Ignore the problem and it will go away? Nope. More like the Bush administration is encouraging global warming. Amazing

What happened the last time something like this occured? Were the cavemen burning too much wood or something?

Wow two cookies this afternoon.

You must be speechless.

 

[Genx87]

you do realize that in a global warming scenario, the US is more likely it experience a chill due to the atlantic jetstream being shifted away from the coast? well we haven't had an ice age in 10,000 years anyway...

say goodbye to high crop yields.

If it happened 10,000 years ago. Then I imagine it was for reasons other than fossil fuel consumption. Thus it will come either way.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: assemblage
Not only that, you should watch The Day After Tommorrow and see what'll happen.

Admittedly, I was disappointed in the movie but I understand why they distorted the science in that manner. Much of the movie was accurate according to best available science. The Global Conveyor clearly moderates climate by redistributing heat energy from the Equator towards the poles. And clearly the Conveyor is dependent upon higher relative ocean salinities at higher latitudes. The melting of polar ice on a nongeologic time scale could indeed produce a change in the Global Conveyor on a nongeologic time scale . . . certainly not on a Hollywood time scale but still short enough to cause aberrant climate shifts.

The super storms were certainly pretty to look at, though.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I don't believe the man made Global Warming senario. The weather goes through cycles. Every time anything happens weatherwise it's always blamed on global warming. Hurricanes- Global Warming, Tornados- Global Warming, Blizzards- Global Warming.

Yes, there is a natural cycle to warming and cooling. However, in this case, it appears that humans have accelerated the onset of the warming cycle.

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I don't believe the man made Global Warming senario. The weather goes through cycles. Every time anything happens weatherwise it's always blamed on global warming. Hurricanes- Global Warming, Tornados- Global Warming, Blizzards- Global Warming.

Yes, there is a natural cycle to warming and cooling. However, in this case, it appears that humans have accelerated the onset of the warming cycle.

I just can't believe this as the temps are not getting warmer every year. Plus the world isn't 10,000 years old 😉

 

[Tylanner]

This issue should take a far back seat to the war and OBL and pretty much everything else ATM.

And whos gonna pay for a global warming initiative? US? Yeah probably. You want bush to stop spending, then you suggest actions like this?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Didn't the earth use to be a big chunk of ice? Just sayin'...

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I don't believe the man made Global Warming senario. The weather goes through cycles. Every time anything happens weatherwise it's always blamed on global warming. Hurricanes- Global Warming, Tornados- Global Warming, Blizzards- Global Warming.

Yes, there is a natural cycle to warming and cooling. However, in this case, it appears that humans have accelerated the onset of the warming cycle.

Don't forget the volcanos!

 

[Tylanner]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I don't believe the man made Global Warming senario. The weather goes through cycles. Every time anything happens weatherwise it's always blamed on global warming. Hurricanes- Global Warming, Tornados- Global Warming, Blizzards- Global Warming.

Yes, there is a natural cycle to warming and cooling. However, in this case, it appears that humans have accelerated the onset of the warming cycle.

Don't forget the volcanos!

Anyone who thinks human activity and volcanos are not part of nature or the natural process have something to learn about nature.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I don't believe the man made Global Warming senario. The weather goes through cycles. Every time anything happens weatherwise it's always blamed on global warming. Hurricanes- Global Warming, Tornados- Global Warming, Blizzards- Global Warming.

Yes, there is a natural cycle to warming and cooling. However, in this case, it appears that humans have accelerated the onset of the warming cycle.

I just can't believe this as the temps are not getting warmer every year. Plus the world isn't 10,000 years old 😉

Yes, they are. Go look at the research.

And, yes, it's not 10,000 years old. Who said it was?

 

[Yzzim]

I didn't read the whole article (except bolded points) but didn't see anything about China in there. Is China going to go along with this report? Are they going to make laws curbing their pollution as well?

I haven't heard anything and was just wondering. If they haven't, then I agree with the Bush administration about losing American jobs. All these laws are making it more expensive for a company to operate in the US.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
This issue should take a far back seat to the war and OBL and pretty much everything else ATM.

And whos gonna pay for a global warming initiative? US? Yeah probably. You want bush to stop spending, then you suggest actions like this?

What's Bush doing about bin Laden? Remember, "I'm truly not that concerned about him."

As for global warming, Kyoto had about every other nation on the planet involved. It was and is a global effort that the U.S. disengaged from completely under Bush.

 

[Tylanner]

Originally posted by: conjur

[]What's Bush doing about bin Laden?

What are you, the head of CIA? Do you have high security clearence at the Pentagon?

The public knows little of our actual foreign operations. You sound as if you think OBL has been pardoned. Well you are wrong IMO, but feel free to say what you believe..

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Yzzim
I didn't read the whole article (except bolded points) but didn't see anything about China in there. Is China going to go along with this report? Are they going to make laws curbing their pollution as well?

I haven't heard anything and was just wondering. If they haven't, then I agree with the Bush administration about losing American jobs. All these laws are making it more expensive for a company to operate in the US.

But, but... Bush is supposed to do something about the jobs!!! The government owes me a job!

Why *does* China have no responsibility?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: conjur
As for global warming, Kyoto had about every other nation on the planet involved. It was and is a global effort that the U.S. disengaged from completely under Bush.

IIRC, China was essentially given the same responsibilites as third-world countries. I may be wrong, but I'm sure somebody will correct me quickly if I am.

 

[Valvoline6]

Kyoto would have been a disaster. I am so glad we dumped it. Another reason I voted BUSH.

Originally posted by: conjur

As for global warming, Kyoto had about every other nation on the planet involved. It was and is a global effort that the U.S. disengaged from completely under Bush.

 

[assemblage]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur
As for global warming, Kyoto had about every other nation on the planet involved. It was and is a global effort that the U.S. disengaged from completely under Bush.

IIRC, China was essentially given the same responsibilites as third-world countries. I may be wrong, but I'm sure somebody will correct me quickly if I am.

That sounds about right. Libs don't like to talk about that though.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Yzzim
I didn't read the whole article (except bolded points) but didn't see anything about China in there. Is China going to go along with this report? Are they going to make laws curbing their pollution as well?

I haven't heard anything and was just wondering. If they haven't, then I agree with the Bush administration about losing American jobs. All these laws are making it more expensive for a company to operate in the US.

But, but... Bush is supposed to do something about the jobs!!! The government owes me a job!

Why *does* China have no responsibility?

China has it's get out jail free card. As long as they can keep stocking Walmart shelves.

 

[Squisher]

I wonder how they voted on legislation related to the last ice age?

I bet them Repubs allowed it happen.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Yzzim
I didn't read the whole article (except bolded points) but didn't see anything about China in there. Is China going to go along with this report? Are they going to make laws curbing their pollution as well?

I haven't heard anything and was just wondering. If they haven't, then I agree with the Bush administration about losing American jobs. All these laws are making it more expensive for a company to operate in the US.

But, but... Bush is supposed to do something about the jobs!!! The government owes me a job!

Why *does* China have no responsibility?

China has it's get out jail free card. As long as they can keep stocking Walmart shelves.

That is completely ridiculous then. No wonder all these jobs are going over to China.

I agree that something needs to be done about global warming. Every country has to be held accountable to some sort of equal standard.

 

[drewshin]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: drewshin
let the market take care of the problem, companies that contribute to global warming will go out of business as consumers decide to switch to other companies. no government intervention needed. the market takes care of all things, large and small. the market is GOD! hee hee

Hunh? How do you figure that? Or is my sarcasm meter broken?


BTW, check out that 2nd link...long article but eye-opening, esp. given the rise of the apparent "Christian Reocnstructionists" into Congress and the Bush administration.

yes, your sarcasm meter is broken 🙂

i was just trying to say that this administration's love of the word "market" and how it takes care of everything doesn't work with environmental problems. the market doesn't give a damn how much it pollutes or causes environemental havoc until its too late, unless there is some government intervention to stop it in time - intervention which it seems we won't be seeing from this administration.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Tylanner
This issue should take a far back seat to the war and OBL and pretty much everything else ATM.

And whos gonna pay for a global warming initiative? US? Yeah probably. You want bush to stop spending, then you suggest actions like this?

What's Bush doing about bin Laden? Remember, "I'm truly not that concerned about him."

As for global warming, Kyoto had about every other nation on the planet involved. It was and is a global effort that the U.S. disengaged from completely under Bush.

it didn't have two of the worst polluters in the world involved. what good would that treaty do when you could just offshore your cuts to china? until china is onboard the treaty would do NOTHING.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur
As for global warming, Kyoto had about every other nation on the planet involved. It was and is a global effort that the U.S. disengaged from completely under Bush.

IIRC, China was essentially given the same responsibilites as third-world countries. I may be wrong, but I'm sure somebody will correct me quickly if I am.

That's why the Kyoto treaty needed to be modified, not to completely disengage from it.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur
As for global warming, Kyoto had about every other nation on the planet involved. It was and is a global effort that the U.S. disengaged from completely under Bush.

IIRC, China was essentially given the same responsibilites as third-world countries. I may be wrong, but I'm sure somebody will correct me quickly if I am.

That's why the Kyoto treaty needed to be modified, not to completely disengage from it.

when bush 'disengaged from it' the reason given was that china and india weren't included. maybe if the pussies in europe were concerned more with actual results rather than appeasing the shortsighted, narrow-visioned greens they could have done something about it. but apparently they don't actually care either! hell, for all you know these objections were brought up when the thing was being debated 7 years ago but were thoroughly rejected (which they probably were, policy people aren't stupid). why bother wasting political capital on it if it has just recently been rejected?