U.S. Wants No Warming Proposal

conjur

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/...s/A23541-2004Nov3.html
The Bush administration has been working for months to keep an upcoming eight-nation report from endorsing broad policies aimed at curbing global warming, according to domestic and foreign participants, despite the group's conclusion that Arctic latitudes are facing historic increases in temperature, glacial melting and abrupt weather changes.

State Department representatives have argued that the group, which has spent four years examining Arctic climate fluctuations, lacks the evidence to prepare detailed policy proposals. But several participants in the negotiations, all of whom requested anonymity for fear of derailing the Nov. 24 report, said officials from the eight nations and six indigenous tribes involved in the effort had ample science on which to draft policy.

The recommendations are based on a study, which was leaked last week, that concludes the Arctic is warming much faster than other areas of the world and that much of this change is linked to human-generated greenhouse gas emissions. The Arctic Climate Impact Assessment -- produced by a council of nations with Arctic territory that includes the United States, Canada, Russia and several Nordic countries -- reflects the work of more than 300 scientists.

Several individuals close to the negotiations said the Bush administration -- which opposes mandatory cuts in carbon emissions on the grounds that they will cost American jobs -- had repeatedly resisted even mild language that would endorse the report's scientific findings or call for mandatory curbs on greenhouse gas emissions.


An early draft of the policy statement -- which is set to be issued two weeks after the 144-page scientific overview is released Monday -- included a paragraph saying that to achieve the goals set under a 1992 international climate change treaty known as the Rio Accord, the "Arctic Council urges the member states to individually and when appropriate, jointly, adopt climate change strategies across relevant sectors. These strategies should aim at the reduction of the emission of greenhouse gases."

The administration has pushed to drop that section. As one senior State Department official who asked not to be identified put it, "We're bound by the administration's position. We're not going to make global climate policy at the Arctic Council."

The World Wildlife Fund's Arctic Program director Samantha Smith said the council's scientific conclusions, which said temperature increases in some parts of the Arctic increased tenfold compared with the last century's worldwide average rise of 1 degree Fahrenheit, justified immediate action.

"This is the first full-scale assessment of climate change in the Arctic and it shows dramatic changes in the region, with worse to come if we don't cut emissions," said Smith, an observer at the negotiations. "We challenge the Arctic governments to come up with a real response to the science, before the foreign ministers meet in Iceland in November."

Administration officials said they are hesitant to endorse policy recommendations before examining the full 1,200-page scientific report on the Arctic.

Paula Dobriansky, the undersecretary of state for global affairs who will be leading the U.S. delegation to Reykjavik, Iceland, later this month, said that "the report has not been finalized or released to governments."

U.S. officials have received regular briefings on the full report, according to Arctic Council officials, and have submitted comprehensive comments on it over the past 18 months.

Some council participants have begun to grumble about U.S. resistance to articulating a global climate policy. One European negotiator said the administration is trying to "sidetrack the whole process so it is not confronted with the question, 'Do you believe in climate change, or don't you?' " He added that while the other member nations will try to press the United States on the matter in the final talks, "I cannot see any solution to this unless [the administration] clearly changes its position."

And Sheila Watt-Cloutier, head of the Inuit Circumpolar Conference and an Arctic Council representative, wrote council chairman Gunnar Palsson of Iceland in August that a recent draft of the report "tries and often fails to be all things to all people and in so doing shies away from policy recommendations, the one thing it was designed to do."

Some Senate Republicans, including Senate Commerce Committee Chairman John McCain (Ariz.) and fellow committee member Olympia J. Snowe (Maine), are also lobbying the administration to back a strong policy document. In late September they and Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) wrote to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell saying, "In order to fulfill our responsibilities to the American people, it is critical that we, as policymakers, have access to the latest scientific information and associated policy recommendations."

Dobriansky said the administration supports publication of the policy report this month. "Allegations that the United States is seeking to suppress the policy recommendations are simply not true," she said.

Palsson said in an interview that the public controversy over the U.S. climate position was complicating his efforts to achieve a consensus among top ministers, who are supposed to sign off on the policy findings within a matter of weeks.

"This is such a highly sensitive political issue," he said. "Ministers have to be able to sort these things out behind closed doors."


Ignore the problem and it will go away? Nope. More like the Bush administration is encouraging global warming. Amazing.


But, read this and see, perhaps, some of the reasoning behind why:

The Godly Must Be Crazy
http://www.grist.org/news/main.../27/scherer-christian/
 

drewshin

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let the market take care of the problem, companies that contribute to global warming will go out of business as consumers decide to switch to other companies. no government intervention needed. the market takes care of all things, large and small. the market is GOD! hee hee
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: drewshin
let the market take care of the problem, companies that contribute to global warming will go out of business as consumers decide to switch to other companies. no government intervention needed. the market takes care of all things, large and small. the market is GOD! hee hee
Hunh? How do you figure that? Or is my sarcasm meter broken?


BTW, check out that 2nd link...long article but eye-opening, esp. given the rise of the apparent "Christian Reocnstructionists" into Congress and the Bush administration.
 

maddogchen

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how depressing. :(

won't ignoring the rise in temperature of the Artic allow the ice there to melt, raising the ocean's water level and destroying our natural beaches?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
how depressing. :(

won't ignoring the rise in temperature of the Artic allow the ice there to melt, raising the ocean's water level and destroying our natural beaches?
Yes, it will. Read the article at the 2nd link to find out why they are ignoring this problem.
 

Tom

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I wonder if there is a "moral values" explanation for global warming ?

like Satan or something ?

 

Red

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
how depressing. :(

won't ignoring the rise in temperature of the Artic allow the ice there to melt, raising the ocean's water level and destroying our natural beaches?

Much worse, my friend. When the polar caps melt, the world enters the second ice age, and the only way to stop it is to hire Dennis Quaid.
 

dawks

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
how depressing. :(

won't ignoring the rise in temperature of the Artic allow the ice there to melt, raising the ocean's water level and destroying our natural beaches?

Much More then just beaches man...costal cities.. large portions of florida.. flooded.. w00t.
 

AFB

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Originally posted by: dawks
Originally posted by: maddogchen
how depressing. :(

won't ignoring the rise in temperature of the Artic allow the ice there to melt, raising the ocean's water level and destroying our natural beaches?

Much More then just beaches man...costal cities.. large portions of florida.. flooded.. w00t.

Like the ones that voted for Kerry? I see his plan ;).
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: assemblage
Not only that, you should watch The Day After Tommorrow and see what'll happen.

We're all going to freeze to death in a super storm aren't we?
 

assemblage

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: assemblage
Not only that, you should watch The Day After Tommorrow and see what'll happen.
We're all going to freeze to death in a super storm aren't we?
Yes. It's primarly the United State's fault. Not agreeing to the Kyoto Accord shows that the US doesn't want to fix the climate and weather sytems that it broke.
 

ReiAyanami

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when you burn 1 trillion gallons of something, it will have an effect on the environment. the ocean which has acted as a carbon sink has done well but now the effects are beginning to aggregate. 1 inch rise = 8ft of shoreline recession. nearly all of places like indonesia would go under

guess whose gonna get the blame for ignoring the problem? well the world already hated us before...
and its a very hard problem to solve, but their are solutions, such as replacement wind power (cosft effective when oil is > $30/barrel)

or block out the sun, mr burn's style...
 

Genx87

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Ignore the problem and it will go away? Nope. More like the Bush administration is encouraging global warming. Amazing

What happened the last time something like this occured? Were the cavemen burning too much wood or something?

 

assemblage

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Anyone with half a brain knows that the deforestation of the tropical rainforest is the cause.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Ignore the problem and it will go away? Nope. More like the Bush administration is encouraging global warming. Amazing

What happened the last time something like this occured? Were the cavemen burning too much wood or something?
:cookie:
 

BAMAVOO

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There is no global warming. If it were our temps would continue to rise every year. This past summer was the 6th coolest on record and this winter is predicted to be one of the coldest.

Global warming, I think not.
 
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Originally posted by: dawks
Originally posted by: maddogchen
how depressing. :(

won't ignoring the rise in temperature of the Artic allow the ice there to melt, raising the ocean's water level and destroying our natural beaches?

Much More then just beaches man...costal cities.. large portions of florida.. flooded.. w00t.
I'm looking forward to the possibility having beachfront property at some point in the future. Surf right outside my door. Schweet!
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dawks
Originally posted by: maddogchen
how depressing. :(

won't ignoring the rise in temperature of the Artic allow the ice there to melt, raising the ocean's water level and destroying our natural beaches?

Much More then just beaches man...costal cities.. large portions of florida.. flooded.. w00t.
I'm looking forward to the possibility having beachfront property at some point in the future. Surf right outside my door. Schweet!
I think people living in places like East Timor, the Netherlands, Venice, etc. would disagree with you.
 

BAMAVOO

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Originally posted by: Red
Originally posted by: maddogchen
how depressing. :(

won't ignoring the rise in temperature of the Artic allow the ice there to melt, raising the ocean's water level and destroying our natural beaches?

Much worse, my friend. When the polar caps melt, the world enters the second ice age, and the only way to stop it is to hire Dennis Quaid.

This will not happen, stop posting your (Insult the comic dog) crraappp.
 

ReiAyanami

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Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
There is no global warming. If it were our temps would continue to rise every year. This past summer was the 6th coolest on record and this winter is predicted to be one of the coldest.

Global warming, I think not.
wow, that's incredibly shortsighted. i guess the international community of noble laureate scientists had all their instruments wrong up at the north pole

you do realize that in a global warming scenario, the US is more likely it experience a chill due to the atlantic jetstream being shifted away from the coast? well we haven't had an ice age in 10,000 years anyway...

say goodbye to high crop yields.
 

assemblage

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Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
you do realize that in a global warming scenario, the US is more likely it experience a chill due to the atlantic jetstream being shifted away from the coast? well we haven't had an ice age in 10,000 years anyway...

say goodbye to high crop yields.
Yep I saw the movie. Everyone will be fleeing to Mexico. Talk about ironic!

 

Valvoline6

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I don't believe the man made Global Warming senario. The weather goes through cycles. Every time anything happens weatherwise it's always blamed on global warming. Hurricanes- Global Warming, Tornados- Global Warming, Blizzards- Global Warming.
 

assemblage

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Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I don't believe the man made Global Warming senario. The weather goes through cycles. Every time anything happens weatherwise it's always blamed on global warming. Hurricanes- Global Warming, Tornados- Global Warming, Blizzards- Global Warming.
Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
wow, that's incredibly shortsighted. i guess the international community of noble laureate scientists had all their instruments wrong up at the north pole

Heh, heh. ;)

Hard to beat ReiAyanmai and his team of nobel laureate scientists and the entire international community.