U.S. Troops Suffer Bloodiest Day In Iraq

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Gaard
It's shameful what our president has caused.

The Speech Bush Should have Given

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
I am glad most Americans don't share your view about shirking all responsibility for the mess we have created.

Yes, we do have a responsibility to apologize, leave, and stop creating more mess.

No, we have a responsibility to KILL every terrorist, every insurgent, every nutjob islamic fundamentalist who thinks it's "God's will" to strap a bomb to himself and blow up people who dare to DISAGREE as to the nature of the invisible man in the sky!

COWARDICE is not the answer.

Jason

Greatly said. Agree with everything :thumbsup:

We have to kill each one of the Islamist fascists

We? You got a rat in your back pocket? God speed, let us know how it goes.

 

[Gaard]

So why do I want to go to war? Look, folks, I'm just not going to tell you. I don't have to tell you. There is little transparency about these things in the executive, because we're running a kind of rump empire out of the president's office. After 20 or 30 years it will all leak out. Until then, you'll just have to trust me.

This paragraph sums it up perfectly.

 

[phillyTIM]

and oh how sweet it will be, all those leaks of the "real info" out of emporer bush's office ... how sweet, indeed to say "i told you so"

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
and oh how sweet it will be, all those leaks of the "real info" out of emporer bush's office ... how sweet, indeed to say "i told you so"

No need to wait for the real info. We can certainly say "I told you so" already, PhillyTIM. 😉

 

[irwincur]

Keep trying to spin it all back to freedom, irwincur. Maybe someday even YOU will believe that tired old line. How about giving our young men and women that same chance? Give each and every one of them the option to stay in Iraq and give the Iraqis their "freedom" or let them come home with honorable discharges. You and your Bush buddies can pick up the slack from the skeleton crew left behind.

What part of volunteer army do you not get? If you sign up because you only want the peacetime pay - you can go to hell. There is a contract involved.

It would be easy if everyday people could break contracts and agreements because they no longer like them. It is this kind of childish problem solving that gives the left a bad name. Well, that and the fact that most people on the left of total blathering idiots.

 

[conjur]

Newsday cover

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[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: conjur
Newsday cover

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He looks like a damn fool on that cover.

 

[phillyTIM]

From the Newsday cover: "This Hurts - But It's Worth It". To whom, Emporer Bush? To YOURSELF, because you want your hands on that oil.

You really don't know the meaning of "hurt". You have never lost a family member in a war. You have absolutely no idea what pain really feels like, as you throw you bask in your 10+ inaugural day parties, while our kids are over there dying because they don't have the armour they need to protect themselves.

THAT is "hurt", Emporer. Even more hurt when you realize that the reason we were led over there, turned out to be bogus.

Even more hurt when the Iraqi election is nothing but a SHAM of pre-approved, Bush-approved, candidates...this faux-democracy...it hurts to see the Iraqi's really belieiving that they can lead themselves, and that true democracy is being fed to them. Because it's not.

1,400 US military and 100,000+ innocent Iraqi deaths = all in vain.

That, Bush, is pain.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: conjur
Newsday cover

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Imagine how much it hurts the families.

Originally posted by: irwincur

Keep trying to spin it all back to freedom, irwincur. Maybe someday even YOU will believe that tired old line. How about giving our young men and women that same chance? Give each and every one of them the option to stay in Iraq and give the Iraqis their "freedom" or let them come home with honorable discharges. You and your Bush buddies can pick up the slack from the skeleton crew left behind.

What part of volunteer army do you not get? If you sign up because you only want the peacetime pay - you can go to hell. There is a contract involved.

It would be easy if everyday people could break contracts and agreements because they no longer like them. It is this kind of childish problem solving that gives the left a bad name. Well, that and the fact that most people on the left of total blathering idiots.

After your copout, which I understand, I don't understand why you then feel the need to attack the troops who aren't copping out. "If you sign up because you only want the peacetime pay - you can go to hell."

???

Here's a news flash, they are in hell. And not for peacetime pay. Bush sent them there on a false premise, without adequate personnel, with the personnel they do have inadequately equipped, with no exit strategy, and all while telling the enemy to "Bring 'em on"!!!

How does a person support the liars then attack the people put in harms way because of the lies?

 

[Starbuck1975]

While this loss is certainly a tragedy, the majority of those casualties are due to an accident...an accident that is independent of their serving in Iraq...we lose soldiers all the time and every year due to training accidents and equipment failures, or even something as simple as human error.

So while opponents of the war are calling this the bloodiest day in Iraq, the blood spilled was due to a helicopter crash...now if that helicopter crash was due to it getting his by a rocket, then yes...but an equipment or pilot error accident, while tragic, is unfortunately all too common in the military even during times of peace.

We routinely lose soldiers due to accidents in the Balkans, but you never hear anyone complain about the bloodiest day in Bosnia or Kosovo...but are those soldier's deaths any less tragic.

As much as many want to make this into Bush's Vietnam, our casualty rate is fairly moderate considering our military is entrenched in the of a poorly planned strategic clusterfuck...I mourn the loss of every soldier who has died in Iraq, but compared to every major war America has fought in...and especially considering that the majority of this fighting is going on in urban environments...are casualty count is low. Of course you can argue that we shouldnt be there in the first place and that these soldiers died in vain, and I would agree with you on that to an extent...but the fact remains that we are there, we can't simply pull out and it sickens me when people use body counts to make political points.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
While this loss is certainly a tragedy, the majority of those casualties are due to an accident...an accident that is independent of their serving in Iraq...we lose soldiers all the time and every year due to training accidents and equipment failures, or even something as simple as human error.

I beg to differ.

I don't think you'll find our Marines flying into sandstorms like that during training missions here in the States.

 

[fornax]

The US casualties in Iraq are approaching the rate the Russians had in Afghanistan, and this is in fact a very bad state of affairs. Very, very sad.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: conjur
Newsday cover

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"This hurts...but it's worth it. Now watch this drive."

 

[Starbuck1975]

I don't think you'll find our Marines flying into sandstorms like that during training missions here in the States.

Any number of weather conditions could cause an accident of this magnitude, even in training conditions...if you remember correctly, the Marines suffered a loss close to this magnitude during a training accident involving two helicopters a few years ago...and that was in perfectly clear weather.

Also, most military units, primarily Army, conduct their maneuver training at Ft. Irwin, CA...which is in the middle of the desert and quite prone to sandstorms and other conditions that often cause fatalities.

 

[BarneyFife]

I'm going to load up "Sunday bloody Sunday" for the elections.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: cannedcreamcorn

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Bring them home now!

yeah, let's *guarantee* they died in vain.

Don't "bring 'em home now", do what should have been done all along: LEVEL the areas where the insurgents are hiding out, civilians and all. Kill EVERYTHING that walks or crawls and do it after you fly sorties to rain pig blood all over the area. These bastards want to play rough, then let's damn well DO IT and stop this pussy-ass PC "save the civilians" crap. It's just getting more and more of OUR guys killed.

Jason

They already died in vain. No WMDs, no Democracy, no electricity and eternal warfare. What has to happen now is we have to STOP more deaths for what is one big war crime perpetuated by our Imperial administration.

And your solution is so vicious and completely undermining to any hope of stability in Iraq that it borders on the pathlogical. But I do love how the psychopaths are so easily brought out of the woodwork once we begin bombing someone.

You are an idiot if you really believe that. Prevent more deaths by LEAVING? The only thing we'll do by leaving Iraq in its present state is open the doors for whatever THUG decides to come in with a few thousand terror-minded Islamic Radicals to take the place over! You want to talk about cruel and vicious, abandoning the Iraqi people now, before Liberty has had a chance to really take root at all, before these people get a taste of what it MEANS to be free, would be the most cruel and vicious thing you could do.

One of us actually gives a damn what happens to those poor bastards, and it isn't you.

Jason

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
I am glad most Americans don't share your view about shirking all responsibility for the mess we have created.

lol you have a wicked sense of humor justin.🙂