U.S. to Open Public Land Near Parks for Drilling

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Whole fleets of vehicles are natural gas powered, Ozoned, and drilling for more allows more oil to be allocated for vehicle fuel.

And, uhh, the majority of people were all for invading Iraq, at the time, all for cutting taxes at the top in pursuit of trickle-down economic goodness flimflam, and very, very happy when they could refi for 125% of ridiculously overblown housing valuations, too...

The story of the Bush Admin has been to be careful of what you wish for, because they probably put the idea in your head in the first place, and because it won't be what you expected, either...

The Rightwing has been pumpin' sunshine up America's skirt since the 80's...

lol... talk about pumpin' sunshine...

There is little to no reason to oppose drilling and it has nothing to do with the typical liberal whining about "trickle-down", Iraq, or housing.

Heh. One of my fave sunshine pumpers chimes in.

The objective all along has been to induce America to consume, and to make conservation strategies less appealing. The more we spend, the more the guys at the top profit- whether that's oil, natural gas, housing, defense or criminal acts of pre-pre-emptive war, it's all the same.

The more you sell, the more you make. We'd be better off in the long run to save some of our domestic energy for the future, invest in conservation measures and strategies which would actually create more jobs and more sustainable wealth than more drilling...

I wasn't really advocating an anti-drilling position, anyway, just pointing out the obvious wrt the Bushistas view of themselves and how to get things done- the basic date rape philosophy of bipartisanship they've engaged in all along...

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
We better arrest all those people who bought 500k homes on a 35k salary.

If there's intentional fraud and deceit involved? People like Madoff and this guy belong in jail.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: alien42
looks like a huge wrench has been thrown in the 'drill baby drill' plans in Utah. Tim DeChristopher is a true American hero and single-handedly blocked GWBs short sighted push to drill for oil in our untainted public lands.

http://www.truthdig.com/report..._monkey_wrench_guy/?ln

Just terminate his bid and give it to the next guy, then throw him in jail on the 30th.

If the ecofundies want to buy land and not drill it, all the more power to them, as long as they make the payments.

not surprisingly, that went right over your head. he bid on tracts that others won which makes the results void.

of course we are sitting here with a greater supply of oil than demand for it in a devastated economy and you still want to 'drill baby drill'. we are also on the verge of finally making alternative and environmentally safer fuels a reality and you are stuck in your little la-la land of ignorance. thankfully we will make progress without you and your ilk.

What alternative energy? Oil is still by far the cheapest and most convenient source of energy we have.

The results aren't void....he still has to pay the bill.

10-15 years of playing catcher in prison for Bubba might teach this guy a lesson, though.

So you're going to spend 500k in tax money to "teach someone a lesson"? The prison system and defense department are the two most bloated pieces of government.

He fraudulently bought $2 million in land with no intention of paying for it and would be robbing taxpayers. Unless he starts paying up, $500k is only 25% of that.

There will be no real transfer of property, therefore nothing really was lost to begin with. Yet you still want to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach some guy a lesson because you're a crazy asshole.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111
He fraudulently bought $2 million in land with no intention of paying for it and would be robbing taxpayers. Unless he starts paying up, $500k is only 25% of that.

There will be no real transfer of property, therefore nothing really was lost to begin with. Yet you still want to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach some guy a lesson because you're a crazy asshole.

Doesn't change his intentional fraudulent behavior. Taypayers lost $2m they could have gained.

When someone steals from best buy, they don't just give the stolen item back and call it a day. You punish the criminal.

Besides, one of the ecofundie organizations might feel guilty for his plight, and bail him out, so we can collect that $2m.

I can't wait for more lawsuits to hopefully come down on this asshole.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111
He fraudulently bought $2 million in land with no intention of paying for it and would be robbing taxpayers. Unless he starts paying up, $500k is only 25% of that.

There will be no real transfer of property, therefore nothing really was lost to begin with. Yet you still want to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach some guy a lesson because you're a crazy asshole.

Doesn't change his intentional fraudulent behavior. Taypayers lost $2m they could have gained.

When someone steals from best buy, they don't just give the stolen item back and call it a day. You punish the criminal.

Besides, one of the ecofundie organizations might feel guilty for his plight, and bail him out, so we can collect that $2m.

I can't wait for more lawsuits to hopefully come down on this asshole.

Taxpayers did not lose $2 million. They will retain control of the property and sell it again in the future. Unless it sells for $2 million less in the future than it would have sold for there, they have lost nothing. This is basic logic. Also, your best buy analogy is retarded and you know it.

As for your 'ecofundie' crap, save it. Just admit you're being stupid here.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111
He fraudulently bought $2 million in land with no intention of paying for it and would be robbing taxpayers. Unless he starts paying up, $500k is only 25% of that.

There will be no real transfer of property, therefore nothing really was lost to begin with. Yet you still want to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach some guy a lesson because you're a crazy asshole.

Doesn't change his intentional fraudulent behavior. Taypayers lost $2m they could have gained.

When someone steals from best buy, they don't just give the stolen item back and call it a day. You punish the criminal.

Besides, one of the ecofundie organizations might feel guilty for his plight, and bail him out, so we can collect that $2m.

I can't wait for more lawsuits to hopefully come down on this asshole.

Taxpayers did not lose $2 million. They will retain control of the property and sell it again in the future. Unless it sells for $2 million less in the future than it would have sold for there, they have lost nothing. This is basic logic. Also, your best buy analogy is retarded and you know it.

As for your 'ecofundie' crap, save it. Just admit you're being stupid here.

Yeah, and best buy can sell that plasma TV too, next Christmas. Good luck with that argument! :laugh:

And if oil prices keep dropping, that lease might sell for less in the future, especially when you add interest.

Auctions cost money too. They have to hold a new auction to sell properties that would have already been sold.

 

[winnar111]

http://www.google.com/hostedne...OR22InN7b2FoQD959BSBO0

Or how about these Medicare scam brothers, eh? Lets just ask em for the money back and call it a day! :laugh:

And how can taxpayers collect their $2m when this punk or someone else pulls the same stunt in the next auction?

 

[First]

I want the wingnuts to continue pimping the "Drill baby drill" moto, it simply quickens the pace of their extinction.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Evan
I want the wingnuts to continue pimping the "Drill baby drill" moto, it simply quickens the pace of their extinction.

:laugh: Keep thinking that if you wish but polls showed it was what the majority wanted. Must be that liberal "logic" to think the majority will mean a hastened end...

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey?conducted before McCain announced his intentions on the issue?finds that 67% of voters believe that drilling should be allowed off the coasts of California, Florida and other states. Only 18% disagree and 15% are undecided. Conservative and moderate voters strongly support this approach, while liberals are more evenly divided (46% of liberals favor drilling, 37% oppose).

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Evan
I want the wingnuts to continue pimping the "Drill baby drill" moto, it simply quickens the pace of their extinction.

:laugh: Keep thinking that if you wish but polls showed it was what the majority wanted. Must be that liberal "logic" to think the majority will mean a hastened end...

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey?conducted before McCain announced his intentions on the issue?finds that 67% of voters believe that drilling should be allowed off the coasts of California, Florida and other states. Only 18% disagree and 15% are undecided. Conservative and moderate voters strongly support this approach, while liberals are more evenly divided (46% of liberals favor drilling, 37% oppose).

the majority are short sighted and that is no excuse to support that garbage.

this thread is also about public lands and not offshore drilling which is what you gave stats for.

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. The best part is that Righties aren't even chagrined when their "problem" caused by speculation and price manipulation in the precious "Free Market" evaporates, leaving their false solution twisting in the wind. It was the right solution just because the majority believed in it, just like the majority once believed the earth was flat.

What the majority wanted? What a great example of how tellin' 'em what they want to hear will cause them to believe it...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Evan
I want the wingnuts to continue pimping the "Drill baby drill" moto, it simply quickens the pace of their extinction.

:laugh: Keep thinking that if you wish but polls showed it was what the majority wanted. Must be that liberal "logic" to think the majority will mean a hastened end...

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey?conducted before McCain announced his intentions on the issue?finds that 67% of voters believe that drilling should be allowed off the coasts of California, Florida and other states. Only 18% disagree and 15% are undecided. Conservative and moderate voters strongly support this approach, while liberals are more evenly divided (46% of liberals favor drilling, 37% oppose).

the majority are short sighted and that is no excuse to support that garbage.

this thread is also about public lands and not offshore drilling which is what you gave stats for.

Yes, I am aware of that, but I was responding to Evan's asinine post.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Evan
I want the wingnuts to continue pimping the "Drill baby drill" moto, it simply quickens the pace of their extinction.

The existance of fossil fuels proves that mother nature has an effective method of cleaning excessive co2 from atmosphere. Wonder where that excess came from in the 1st place? I am pretty sure we weren't around when the fossil fuels were being formed. Anyway, the extinction thing is likely inevitable, and we probably can't move the time line much.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Heh. The best part is that Righties aren't even chagrined when their "problem" caused by speculation and price manipulation in the precious "Free Market" evaporates, leaving their false solution twisting in the wind. It was the right solution just because the majority believed in it, just like the majority once believed the earth was flat.

What the majority wanted? What a great example of how tellin' 'em what they want to hear will cause them to believe it...

You argue against the majority deciding and the few elite deciding in the same breath. Where is your middle ground? You can't fail without trying...

 

[Jhhnn]

You don't get it at all, Ozoned. The repub elite decided- they decided to tell the people what they wanted to hear, ride the wave of approbation into office. It's their usual ploy.

Except it didn't work wrt drilling, that's all.

Public-

"Tell me you love me and you can get into my panties"

Repubs-

"I love you more than life itself, for ever and ever! I swear!"

 

[extra]

Good, this will create some good paying jobs. Just mandate a big chunk of the land use lease money for research into fusion, tidal (etc) power and we all win. I don't get people who think drilling is somehow always evil or that oil is evil just because it's oil. It's the same as saying we should drill without regard to the environment. There's a common sense middle ground.

 

[halik]

Take a minute and stop & think about who's most likely driving this POS. Here's some background info - the wholesale cost of pulling oil outta ground is $5-$10 compared to $20-40 for an offshore rig. Who benefits the most from this?

 

[alien42]

looks like this thread came to a happy ending after all...

"Bush-era energy drilling leases in Utah canceled"

and as for the auctions that Tim DeChristopher threw a monkey wrench in...

"the Bureau of Land Management will return the $6 million in bids"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29017638/

yes we can :thumbsup:

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alien42
looks like this thread came to a happy ending after all...

"Bush-era energy drilling leases in Utah canceled"

and as for the auctions that Tim DeChristopher threw a monkey wrench in...

"the Bureau of Land Management will return the $6 million in bids"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29017638/

yes we can :thumbsup:

I see the folk were moaning about the loss of jobs. If they need money they can drill for blood. We can convert oil tankers to carry it to the nations blood banks. We should herd them together on National Blood parks and have little derrick thingi they stick in their arms with little blood pipelines running to the tank trucks.