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Codewiz

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I have come to the conclusion that no matter how much evidence is provided their will be assclowns that will try to say it isn't real evidence or come up with some other lame excuse for not going to war.

We known N Korea has nukes. We have to take them seriously BUT we can't take a chance of them using nukes.

Iraq on the other hand is TRYING to get them. He is TRYING to get more WMD. We can kick his ass out of power and make the middle east a LITTLE more safe in doing so. The UN SC gave plenty of reason to kick Iraqs ass yesterday. I only needed one reason. That they were not cooperating which they aren't. So it is game time and we need to finish what we started in Desert Storm.

I guess the anti-war crazy people will say that the UN is just appeasing the US now. Which of course is just pure and utter BS. But that is what I expect out of the left-wing crazies.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Thera
Another day, another nef.
Hey Thera....STFU you mindless troll!!! Isn't there some sort of socialist America hating bake sale you should be at? Stay away from the brownies though, I hear they made them with Mexican weed instead of the good stuff.

Hear, hear. Stupid people should have to wear a sign that says they're stupid. In this case, the sign should be above their post so you read the warning before you read their post.

Interesting... I call a post subject nef and you respond with more nef. Come on guys get back on task.

Bush had concrete evidence in the past, and it turned up to be nothing. So what will it be this time?

Chicken Hawk Little is running around the farm yard again. Oooooo... Better watch that sky, hinges seem a little loose again.
After reading several of your posts in various threads I decided that I needed to ask you a question. I'm being serious here so please bear with me. Do you pass out when you type? I wouldn't think your brain would have the capacity for it to be able to do more than just manage your breathing.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
I have come to the conclusion that no matter how much evidence is provided their will be assclowns that will try to say it isn't real evidence or come up with some other lame excuse for not going to war.

We known N Korea has nukes. We have to take them seriously BUT we can't take a chance of them using nukes.

Iraq on the other hand is TRYING to get them. He is TRYING to get more WMD. We can kick his ass out of power and make the middle east a LITTLE more safe in doing so. The UN SC gave plenty of reason to kick Iraqs ass yesterday. I only needed one reason. That they were not cooperating which they aren't. So it is game time and we need to finish what we started in Desert Storm.

I guess the anti-war crazy people will say that the UN is just appeasing the US now. Which of course is just pure and utter BS. But that is what I expect out of the left-wing crazies.
Well I don't consider myself a Crazy and I'm always Anti-War. However sometimes war is inevitable. With this Iraq situation I think going it alone has more of a downside than an upside,mostly due to the cost and the destabalizing effect it will have on the region. I truly believe that we need the co-operation of Russia and most of Europe to do it right. The only way we can hope to get their co-operation is to give the Inspectors more time.

I do see a problem for the Bush Administration though if they allow more time as I believe that the will of the American Public to go to war decreases as time goes bye. As the polls have shown, the closer we get to attacking Iraq the more skittish the American pulic gets about it. It's as if the public is actually realizing that this war could have some long term negative consequences such large areas of Iraq turning into a lawless oasis for Islamic Radicalism and Terrorists which could result in the aquisition of WMD's by these Islamic Terrosist organizations. With countries like Russia in on this with us we will have a partner whose military is capable of helping secure these areas which would make it more difficult for these weapons to get in the hands of those who would not be hesitent to use them against us.
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
I have come to the conclusion that no matter how much evidence is provided their will be assclowns that will try to say it isn't real evidence or come up with some other lame excuse for not going to war.

We known N Korea has nukes. We have to take them seriously BUT we can't take a chance of them using nukes.

Iraq on the other hand is TRYING to get them. He is TRYING to get more WMD. We can kick his ass out of power and make the middle east a LITTLE more safe in doing so. The UN SC gave plenty of reason to kick Iraqs ass yesterday. I only needed one reason. That they were not cooperating which they aren't. So it is game time and we need to finish what we started in Desert Storm.

I guess the anti-war crazy people will say that the UN is just appeasing the US now. Which of course is just pure and utter BS. But that is what I expect out of the left-wing crazies.

I'm a right-wing "crazy", and that is exactly what the UN has been doing from the beginning.

 

BaliBabyDoc

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I am not saying they don't lie. Take Clinton as a PERFECT example. My point is that when the time is appropriate all the questions would be answered. We can't leave operatives in situations that will get them killed just because you have a question.

Clinton was lying about oral sex . . . Bush's lies may lead to death and destruction. The appropriate time to provide evidence for a war coalition would be (drumroll) well before the war. I have great respect for people who risk their lives for the greater good. The ultimate greater good would be avoiding unnecessary war by exposing Saddam's lies early in the process. Once the ball is in his court he could deny clear evidence (at which point a REAL coalition of nations would beat him down) or he could relent and face unequivocal disarmament. Both scenarios are superior to Bush policy of the past 6 months.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: Codewiz
I have come to the conclusion that no matter how much evidence is provided their will be assclowns that will try to say it isn't real evidence or come up with some other lame excuse for not going to war.

We known N Korea has nukes. We have to take them seriously BUT we can't take a chance of them using nukes.

Iraq on the other hand is TRYING to get them. He is TRYING to get more WMD. We can kick his ass out of power and make the middle east a LITTLE more safe in doing so. The UN SC gave plenty of reason to kick Iraqs ass yesterday. I only needed one reason. That they were not cooperating which they aren't. So it is game time and we need to finish what we started in Desert Storm.

I guess the anti-war crazy people will say that the UN is just appeasing the US now. Which of course is just pure and utter BS. But that is what I expect out of the left-wing crazies.

I'm a right-wing "crazy", and that is exactly what the UN has been doing from the beginning.
You a right winger? Man you're so damn far to the left that you make Ralph Nader look like Barry Goldwater.

 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: Electrode
Well, here's the way I'm looking at it: show me real proof, NOT bullshit from a conservative-run "news" agency or Bush's spin and propaganda department, that Iraq helped Osama and co. attack us, either in the 1993 WTC bombing, the 2001 WTC/Pentagon attack, or a US embassy bombing, and I'll turn completely around and support a war against Iraq. I've still got plenty of things I hate Bush for, but this is one thing I can be made to support.

So that leaves what sources in which to prove this to you? ALL INFORMATION AND NEWS IS CENSORED VERY HEAVILY IN THE US. It's all been tampered with, it's all been spun, there is no such thing as an unbiased document or news report. Show me proof that Al-Quada were involved in the WTC bombings, not using BS from any biased new agency or presidential propeganda. Just prove that to me and we'll see how far you get.
 

Red Dawn

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What's so disturbing to me is all these hawks here acting like this war against Iraq is nothing more than some grand adventure. If we need to go to war we should do it reluctantly and with the support of not only the American Public but that of our allies. If in the end we can't get that support (our allies) at least we did everything conceivable to do so.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
What's so disturbing to me is all these hawks here acting like this war against Iraq is nothing more than some grand adventure. If we need to go to war we should do it reluctantly and with the support of not only the American Public but that of our allies. If in the end we can't get that support (our allies) at least we did everything conceivable to do so.

werd. :cool:
 

Geekbabe

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
What's so disturbing to me is all these hawks here acting like this war against Iraq is nothing more than some grand adventure. If we need to go to war we should do it reluctantly and with the support of not only the American Public but that of our allies. If in the end we can't get that support (our allies) at least we did everything conceivable to do so.

You expect patience and reasoned discourse from people who are so socially disconnected that they must ask advice here on even the most simple interaction between people? People who can't figure out how to say Hi to a girl are going to sort out international relations and policies?

 

43st

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Before my head explodes again... :)

One day Chicken Bush was walking in the woods when -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell on his head

"Oh my goodness!" said Chicken Bush. "The sky is falling! I must go and tell the UN."

On his way to the UN's palace, Chicken Bush met Donald Rumsfeld. Donald Rumsfeld said that he was going into the woods to hunt for worms.

"Oh no, don't go!" said Chicken Bush. "I was there and the sky fell on my head! Come with me to tell the UN."

So Donald Rumsfeld joined Chicken Bush and they went along and went along as fast as they could.

Soon they met Johnny Ashcroft, who said, "I'm going to the woods to hunt for seeds."

"Oh no, don't go!" said Donald Rumsfeld. "The sky is falling there! Come with us to tell the UN."

So Johnny Ashcroft joined Donald Rumsfeld and Chicken Bush, and they went along and went along as fast as they could.

Soon they met Shinerburke, who was planning to go to the woods to look for berries.

"Oh no, don't go!" said Johnny Ashcroft. "The sky is falling there! Come with us to tell the UN." So Shinerburke joined Johnny Ashcroft, Donald Rumsfeld and Chicken Bush, and they went along as fast as they could.

Then who should appear on the path but sly old Saddam Hussein.

"Where are you going, my fine feathered friends?" asked Saddam Hussein. He spoke in a polite manner, so as not to frighten them.

"The sky is falling!" cried Chicken Bush. "We must tell the UN."

"I know a shortcut to the palace," said Saddam sweetly. "Come and follow me."

But wicked Saddam Hussein did not lead the others to the palace. He led them right up to the entrance of his foxhole. Once they were inside, Saddam was planning to gobble them up!

Just as Chicken Bush and the others were about to go into the fox's hole, they heard a strange sound and stopped.

It was the UN's hunting dogs, growling and howling.
How Saddam Hussein ran, across the meadows and through the forests, with the hounds close behind. He ran until he was far, far away and never dared to come back again.

After that day, Chicken Bush always carried an umbrella with her when she walked in the woods. The umbrella was a present from the UN. And if -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell, Chicken Bush didn't mind a bit. In fact, she didn't notice it at all.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
What's so disturbing to me is all these hawks here acting like this war against Iraq is nothing more than some grand adventure. If we need to go to war we should do it reluctantly and with the support of not only the American Public but that of our allies. If in the end we can't get that support (our allies) at least we did everything conceivable to do so.

Yeah. Isn't this what most people have wanted all along?
 

jahawkin

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Originally posted by: Thera
Before my head explodes again... :)

One day Chicken Bush was walking in the woods when -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell on his head

"Oh my goodness!" said Chicken Bush. "The sky is falling! I must go and tell the UN."

On his way to the UN's palace, Chicken Bush met Donald Rumsfeld. Donald Rumsfeld said that he was going into the woods to hunt for worms.

"Oh no, don't go!" said Chicken Bush. "I was there and the sky fell on my head! Come with me to tell the UN."

So Donald Rumsfeld joined Chicken Bush and they went along and went along as fast as they could.

Soon they met Johnny Ashcroft, who said, "I'm going to the woods to hunt for seeds."

"Oh no, don't go!" said Donald Rumsfeld. "The sky is falling there! Come with us to tell the UN."

So Johnny Ashcroft joined Donald Rumsfeld and Chicken Bush, and they went along and went along as fast as they could.

Soon they met Shinerburke, who was planning to go to the woods to look for berries.

"Oh no, don't go!" said Johnny Ashcroft. "The sky is falling there! Come with us to tell the UN." So Shinerburke joined Johnny Ashcroft, Donald Rumsfeld and Chicken Bush, and they went along as fast as they could.

Then who should appear on the path but sly old Saddam Hussein.

"Where are you going, my fine feathered friends?" asked Saddam Hussein. He spoke in a polite manner, so as not to frighten them.

"The sky is falling!" cried Chicken Bush. "We must tell the UN."

"I know a shortcut to the palace," said Saddam sweetly. "Come and follow me."

But wicked Saddam Hussein did not lead the others to the palace. He led them right up to the entrance of his foxhole. Once they were inside, Saddam was planning to gobble them up!

Just as Chicken Bush and the others were about to go into the fox's hole, they heard a strange sound and stopped.

It was the UN's hunting dogs, growling and howling.
How Saddam Hussein ran, across the meadows and through the forests, with the hounds close behind. He ran until he was far, far away and never dared to come back again.

After that day, Chicken Bush always carried an umbrella with her when she walked in the woods. The umbrella was a present from the UN. And if -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell, Chicken Bush didn't mind a bit. In fact, she didn't notice it at all.

No no no...you got the whole story wrong. Bush isn't a chicken, he's a chickenhawk.
 

SlowSS

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Originally posted by: Thera
Before my head explodes again... :)

One day Chicken Bush was walking in the woods when -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell on his head

"Oh my goodness!" said Chicken Bush. "The sky is falling! I must go and tell the UN."

On his way to the UN's palace, Chicken Bush met Donald Rumsfeld. Donald Rumsfeld said that he was going into the woods to hunt for worms.

"Oh no, don't go!" said Chicken Bush. "I was there and the sky fell on my head! Come with me to tell the UN."

So Donald Rumsfeld joined Chicken Bush and they went along and went along as fast as they could.

Soon they met Johnny Ashcroft, who said, "I'm going to the woods to hunt for seeds."

"Oh no, don't go!" said Donald Rumsfeld. "The sky is falling there! Come with us to tell the UN."

So Johnny Ashcroft joined Donald Rumsfeld and Chicken Bush, and they went along and went along as fast as they could.

Soon they met Shinerburke, who was planning to go to the woods to look for berries.

"Oh no, don't go!" said Johnny Ashcroft. "The sky is falling there! Come with us to tell the UN." So Shinerburke joined Johnny Ashcroft, Donald Rumsfeld and Chicken Bush, and they went along as fast as they could.

Then who should appear on the path but sly old Saddam Hussein.

"Where are you going, my fine feathered friends?" asked Saddam Hussein. He spoke in a polite manner, so as not to frighten them.

"The sky is falling!" cried Chicken Bush. "We must tell the UN."

"I know a shortcut to the palace," said Saddam sweetly. "Come and follow me."

But wicked Saddam Hussein did not lead the others to the palace. He led them right up to the entrance of his foxhole. Once they were inside, Saddam was planning to gobble them up!

Just as Chicken Bush and the others were about to go into the fox's hole, they heard a strange sound and stopped.

It was the UN's hunting dogs, growling and howling.
How Saddam Hussein ran, across the meadows and through the forests, with the hounds close behind. He ran until he was far, far away and never dared to come back again.

After that day, Chicken Bush always carried an umbrella with her when she walked in the woods. The umbrella was a present from the UN. And if -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell, Chicken Bush didn't mind a bit. In fact, she didn't notice it at all.


Not as effective as original story

Type of books you read says lot about your intellectual capacity or lack there of.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Thera
Before my head explodes again... :)

One day Chicken Bush was walking in the woods when -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell on his head

"Oh my goodness!" said Chicken Bush. "The sky is falling! I must go and tell the UN."

Blah blah blah.....
So what's the point of this post of yours besides to make those who express concerns over a War with Iraq look like idiots by association?
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: Thera
Before my head explodes again... :)

One day Chicken Bush was walking in the woods when -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell on his head

"Oh my goodness!" said Chicken Bush. "The sky is falling! I must go and tell the UN."

On his way to the UN's palace, Chicken Bush met Donald Rumsfeld. Donald Rumsfeld said that he was going into the woods to hunt for worms.

"Oh no, don't go!" said Chicken Bush. "I was there and the sky fell on my head! Come with me to tell the UN."

So Donald Rumsfeld joined Chicken Bush and they went along and went along as fast as they could.

...

I don't see how that applies. It sounds more like mindless bashing.

EDIT: On second thought, let me tell you a story.

Once upon a time there was a great war called "The Great War". In this war, a country called Germany decided that it was superior and could attempt to take over the world. Their plan ultimatly failed and they were no longer allowed to build or maintain an army of any kind. Well, the years went by and the world fell into a great depression. Germany decided to secretly rebuild it's army and the rest of the world just ignored it and went on with their business because they feared another war that was as bad as The Great War. Eventually, Germany had an army large enough and decided to take over the world again. Most of Europe fell and it wasn't untill the US got involved that peace was eventually restored.

Deja vu...
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: Thera
Before my head explodes again... :)

One day Chicken Bush was walking in the woods when -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell on his head

"Oh my goodness!" said Chicken Bush. "The sky is falling! I must go and tell the UN."

On his way to the UN's palace, Chicken Bush met Donald Rumsfeld. Donald Rumsfeld said that he was going into the woods to hunt for worms.

"Oh no, don't go!" said Chicken Bush. "I was there and the sky fell on my head! Come with me to tell the UN."

So Donald Rumsfeld joined Chicken Bush and they went along and went along as fast as they could.

...

I don't see how that applies. It sounds more like mindless bashing.

And this would be different from all his other posts how?
 

43st

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: Thera
Before my head explodes again... :)

One day Chicken Bush was walking in the woods when -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell on his head

"Oh my goodness!" said Chicken Bush. "The sky is falling! I must go and tell the UN."

On his way to the UN's palace, Chicken Bush met Donald Rumsfeld. Donald Rumsfeld said that he was going into the woods to hunt for worms.

"Oh no, don't go!" said Chicken Bush. "I was there and the sky fell on my head! Come with me to tell the UN."

So Donald Rumsfeld joined Chicken Bush and they went along and went along as fast as they could.

...

I don't see how that applies. It sounds more like mindless bashing.

And this would be different from all his other posts how?

Not different... Simply lowering to the brain trust on the right.
 

wyvrn

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The farther along the investigation goes, the more convince I am that Iraq is hiding weapons and research. If Blix is also saying that, I see no reason to continue to believe Bush is lying. Blix isn't a Bush crony. It's just a matter of time now...
 

43st

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Most of Europe fell and it wasn't untill the US got involved that peace was eventually restored.

Deja vu...

HA! Typical... "We saved the world BS". I hope your ego can fit in the car on the drive home. America fought maybe 10% of WW2. And you gladly accept 100% credit for it. You disgrace all those who served in WW2. Not to mention your comparison to the situation in Iraq today.... pathetic.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
The farther along the investigation goes, the more convince I am that Iraq is hiding weapons and research. If Blix is also saying that, I see no reason to continue to believe Bush is lying. Blix isn't a Bush crony. It's just a matter of time now...
Why the big hurry? With the inspectors there I really doubt if any continued Nuclear research is going forward in ernest and all his stockpiles of WMD's are stashed away so even he wouldn't have immediate access to them. Now if the inspectors were forced out that would be a whole different story but right now the really don't see the urgency to attack them.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Thera
Most of Europe fell and it wasn't untill the US got involved that peace was eventually restored.

Deja vu...

HA! Typical... "We saved the world BS". I hope your ego can fit in the car on the drive home. America fought maybe 10% of WW2. And you gladly accept 100% credit for it. You disgrace all those who served in WW2. Not to mention your comparison to the situation in Iraq today.... pathetic.
Thanks for your insightful opinion, now go out and play with rest of the children so the adults can debate this issue.

 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
The farther along the investigation goes, the more convince I am that Iraq is hiding weapons and research. If Blix is also saying that, I see no reason to continue to believe Bush is lying. Blix isn't a Bush crony. It's just a matter of time now...

You are mistaken! Bush is an idiot-mad-genius! He's so stupid that the UN Inspectors have fallen for his ruse and are playing right into his Hitler-esque hands! Clearly he has fooled the U.S. news media as well for they have fallen under his stupidity spell and merely spout out propoganda for the people of the US to believe. Your only hope for salvation from Bush's siren song is an in-grown hatred of the United States. You must believe that he and the illumanati control all and know all!

Seriously, I wish some of the Bush backers would get their stories straight. One second he is too stupid to speak, the next he is plotting the take over the world and able to lie capably enough to fool millions.
 

Harvey

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The United States possesses several pieces of information which come from the work of our intelligence that show Iraq maintains prohibited weapons," Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said in an interview published yesterday in an Italian newspaper. "Once we have made sure it can be done safely, I think that in the next week or soon after we can make public a good part of this material.
There is nothing in the way of evidence shown in this article, just more allegations and promises that they have the proof and will make it public (read the article).

Sadam is nobody's nice guy, but when it comes to telling the truth, I don't trust Bush any further than I can throw any of you from where I am sitting. That said, I watched Powell's complete public statement, last night, and he is far more credible than any other member of the Bush administration. I sincerely hope they present solid documented evidence before shooting.

A more difficult task would be coming up with evidence that Bush has significant intelligence of his own. :p