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U.S. reports plot to bomb NYC metro tunnels

1prophet

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U.S. reports plot to bomb NYC metro tunnels

The Associated Press


Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 7, 2006
NEW YORK - A terrorist plot to inflict death and destruction by attacking New York City train tunnels used by tens of thousands of commuters each day was thwarted before the men could travel to the United States, authorities said Friday.

Eight suspects ? including an al-Qaida loyalist arrested in Lebanon and two others in custody elsewhere ? had hoped to pull off the attack in October or November, federal officials said. But federal investigators working with their counterparts in six other countries intervened.

?It was never a concern that this would actually be executed,? said Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. ?We were, as I say, all over this.?

Initial reports said that the terrorists wanted to attack the Holland Tunnel, a major thoroughfare for cars entering Manhattan. But officials said the group had specifically mentioned only the PATH train tunnels that commuters travel through on their way to New York and New Jersey.

?This is a plot that involved martyrdom and explosives? and focused on the ?tubes that connect Jersey and lower Manhattan,? said FBI Assistant Director Mark Mershon.

A federal law enforcement official said the suspects hoped to inflict damage on the U.S. economy.

Flood of water
The men believed that by bombing the train tunnels, they could unleash a severe flood on lower Manhattan, including Wall Street, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. The official said investigators believe that an attack on a PATH tunnel, unlike the Holland Tunnel, could have achieved that goal.

Investigators decided in recent weeks that the ?plotting for this attack had matured to a point where it appeared that the individuals were about to move forward,? Mershon said. ?They were about to go to a phase where they would attempt to surveil targets, establish a regimen of attack and acquire the resources necessary to effectuate the attacks.?

A federal official said FBI agents monitoring Internet chat rooms used by extremists learned of the plot in recent months and determined that tunnels were possibly being targeted after investigators pieced together code words from their conversations.


?Orders? from bin Laden
Officials cited the arrest of the Lebanese suspect ? described as the scheme?s mastermind ? as a significant break in the investigation. A Lebanese official said the Beirut man confessed to plotting to attack New York City tunnels later this year, and that he was acting on Osama bin Laden?s orders.

Police arrested the man on April 27, acting on information from the FBI, said a senior security official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. The suspect uses the alias Amir Andalousli, but his real name is Assem Hammoud.

The suspect told investigators he was acting ?on a religious order from bin Laden and said ?I am proud to carry out his orders?,? the official said.

The suspect?s family denied any al-Qaida links and his mother, Nabila Qotob, said Hammoud taught economics at a local university.

?His morale is high because he is confident he is innocent,? she said of her son, who turned 31 on Thursday.

Canadian might be suspect
A U.S. law enforcement official said one of the others accused in the plot is believed to be Canadian, but said there were no apparent links to the 17 people arrested last month in a plot to bomb buildings around Toronto.

The Port Authority Trans-Hudson Corporation, or PATH, serves as the primary transit link between Manhattan and neighboring New Jersey urban communities and suburban railroads. PATH presently carries 215,115 passengers each weekday.

PATH train riders took the news of the plot in stride.

?It bothers us, it scares us, but you gotta keep living, you know?? said Dudley Nosy, 21, a security guard from Brooklyn who regularly takes the train to Jersey City to see his girlfriend. ?You can?t stay in the house all day long, you gotta do what you gotta do.?

Details of the plot ? first reported by the New York Daily News ? surfaced on the one-year anniversary of the attacks on the London transportation system that killed 52 people. Officials said the timing of Friday?s report in relation to the anniversary was coincidental.

New York?s transportation system has emerged as a potential terrorist threat several times over the years. A June book by journalist Ron Suskind highlighted a reported plot by al-Qaida terrorists to kill thousands of New Yorkers by spreading cyanide gas in the subway. In May, a man was convicted of plotting to blow up a bustling subway station.

In 1993, the FBI rounded up more than a dozen men who allegedly conspired to blow up five New York City landmarks including the Lincoln and Holland tunnels. The prosecution resulted in more than a dozen convictions.


I bolded the contradiction above, is this a case of a mother and her family believing her son can do no wrong or is someone lying?

And if their own family did find out would they turn them in like the unibomber's brother did?
 
Turning into a case of overexaggeration and hype just like the Miami 7



Sources say no serious plot for NYC, just hate chatter
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/No_Plot_for_NYC_Just_Hate_0707.html
One former intelligence field officer says, and two other CIA officials confirm, that the alleged plot by Muslim extremists to bomb the Holland Tunnel in New York City was nothing more than chatter by unaffiliated individuals with no financing or training in an open forum already monitored extensively by the United States Government, RAW STORY has learned.

?The so-called New York tunnel plot was a result of discussions held on an open Jihadi web site,? said former CIA officer and contributor to American Conservative Philip Giraldi in a late Friday afternoon conversation. Although Giraldi acknowledges that the persons involved ? ?three of whom have already been arrested in Lebanon and elsewhere - are indeed extremists," their online chatter is considerably overblown by allegations of an actual plot.

?They are not professionally trained terrorists, however, and had no resources with which to carry out the operation they discussed," Giraldi added. "Despite press reports that they had asked Abu Musab Zarqawi for assistance, there is no information to confirm that. It is known that the members discussed the possibility of approaching Zarqawi but none of them knew him or had any access to him.?

Two other intelligence officials with experience in the field on extremist operations concurred--and expressed concern that what could have been an operation to eventually track known extremists (should they eventually make actual contact with funds and training,) seems to have been exposed for political gain.

Some see this latest ?ploy? as a direct challenge to a New York Times report this week of the disbandment of Alec Station, the CIA unit responsible for tracking Osama bin Laden since before the September 11, 2001 attacks. Moreover, the article contends that officials say the unit was ?disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center.?


Some members of Congress have said that they were not informed of the unit?s closure and expressed concern.

In response to reports that the unit was disbanded, Senator John Kerry (D-MA), who ran against President Bush in the 2004 election, responded earlier this week with a demand for the immediate reinstatement of the unit.

?I fully support efforts to adapt our response to the evolving nature of the threat," wrote Kerry in a letter to John Negroponte, Director of National Intelligence Office of the Director of National, "but this is not a compelling rationale for curtailing efforts to bring this mass murderer to justice."

The alleged bomb plot, sources suggest, may have been to alleviate Bush administration concerns that the Alec Station story would make them appear to be "weak on terror." It is not clear this early on, however, how much of a real and immidate threat the bomb plot may have been.

Director of Homeland Security Michael Chertof seemed unconcerned earlier today, when the news first broke. Chertoff told the Associated Press earlier today that, "It was never a concern that this would actually be executed? We were, as I say, all over this."

The FBI, however, contends that the threat was very much real. "This is a plot that involved martyrdom and explosives," targeting the "tubes that connect Jersey and lower Manhattan," Assistant Director Mark J. Mershon told the Associated Press today.

Special Agent Rich Kolko, a spokesperson for the FBI, told RAW STORY in a late Friday phone call that, ?Mr. Mershon clearly stated the position of the FBI in this case.?

Giraldi, however, says, ?Despite press reports that they had asked Abu Musab Zarqawi for assistance, there is no information to confirm that. It is known that the members discussed the possibility of approaching Zarqawi, but none of them knew him or had any access to him.?

Additionally, Giraldi stated that, ?In sum, the plot, if that is what we would call it, was not well conceived, and there was no possibility of flooding Wall Street. There was no connection to a cell in the US. Finally, professional terrorists generally do not discuss targeting on open channels. As it was being monitored from the beginning of the open discussion, there was little chance anything concrete would have developed."

Trying to make baseless political hay (people like Hugh Hewitt were blathering today that these "terrorists" might have altered plans due to NYTimes "leaking" the SWIFT monitoring. :roll:

These guys were picked up from an internet chat room and NEVER got anywhere near close to any kind of financial dealings.
 
The election is getting closer and closer. Remember the 'scare' just after the Democratic convention in 2004? The one about buildings being threatened that turned out to be based on YEARS OLD FAULTY 'INTELLIGENCE'?

:roll:

Yep, the elecion is getting closer and closer. Time to scare the dumb Americans into voting for the fascists again.
 
OK - hands up - who KNOWS that the PATH tunnels are lower than Manhattan streets, as they are below the bottom of the Hudson River, whilst Mahnattan Island is ABOVE it?

OK, for all of those of you who said yes, you get a cookie. For those of you that are impressed and scared by the planning of ANY group that believes this would work to flood Manhattan...I don't even have a response....just keep worrying, the way they want you to.

Future Shock

BTW - QFT:
?It bothers us, it scares us, but you gotta keep living, you know?? said Dudley Nosy, 21, a security guard from Brooklyn who regularly takes the train to Jersey City to see his girlfriend. ?You can?t stay in the house all day long, you gotta do what you gotta do.?

At least some people get it right...
 
Originally posted by: Future Shock
OK - hands up - who KNOWS that the PATH tunnels are lower than Manhattan streets, as they are below the bottom of the Hudson River, whilst Mahnattan Island is ABOVE it?

OK, for all of those of you who said yes, you get a cookie. For those of you that are impressed and scared by the planning of ANY group that believes this would work to flood Manhattan...I don't even have a response....just keep worrying, the way they want you to.

Future Shock

BTW - QFT:
?It bothers us, it scares us, but you gotta keep living, you know?? said Dudley Nosy, 21, a security guard from Brooklyn who regularly takes the train to Jersey City to see his girlfriend. ?You can?t stay in the house all day long, you gotta do what you gotta do.?

At least some people get it right...


BET Dudley voted for the big tough and brave mr boosh though?
 
Let me guess; "They were taking pictures of landmarks and they had access to cell phones & cash."

A tale told by an idiot, filled with sound & fury... signifying nothing. zzzzzzzz
 
The suspect told investigators he was acting ?on a religious order from bin Laden and said ?I am proud to carry out his orders?,? the official said.

The suspect?s family denied any al-Qaida links and his mother, Nabila Qotob, said Hammoud taught economics at a local university.

?His morale is high because he is confident he is innocent,? she said of her son, who turned 31 on Thursday.

Originally posted by: 1prophet
bolded the contradiction above, is this a case of a mother and her family believing her son can do no wrong or is someone lying?

How can it be shocking to you that family members loyal to a person who was arrested would espouse their innocence? Doesn't prove, or disprove anything related to guilt.

You do know how many people plead not guilty....
 
buy em a steak dinner and take em to the movies. That will keep the liberals happy.
Then pat em on the head and send them on thier way.
/sarcasm
 
Originally posted by: daniel49
buy em a steak dinner and take em to the movies. That will keep the liberals happy.
Then pat em on the head and send them on thier way.
/sarcasm

We could find out what country he was from and then bomb an different one a couple countries over on the map?

Where were those 19 hijackers from again.. besides being in America a long time.. I wonder where they trained and got financial support and where they grew up?
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: daniel49
buy em a steak dinner and take em to the movies. That will keep the liberals happy.
Then pat em on the head and send them on thier way.
/sarcasm

We could find out what country he was from and then bomb an different one a couple countries over on the map?

Where were those 19 hijackers from again.. besides being in America a long time.. I wonder where they trained and got financial support and where they grew up?

The more important thing is where did they (or at least many) become radicalized/support terrorism. What's the answer? Europe. Of course, people will ignore that for the simple answer and let the problem continue to germinate.
 
Well I have to say that it's a DAMN GOOD THING that the gubermint cut funding for that haven for liberul anti-American types (NYC). Otherwise, the GOP would actually have to get up off their asses and do more than just yell "BOO!" to GOTV.

Heckuva job Brownie! :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Turning into a case of overexaggeration and hype just like the Miami 7



Sources say no serious plot for NYC, just hate chatter
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/No_Plot_for_NYC_Just_Hate_0707.html
One former intelligence field officer says, and two other CIA officials confirm, that the alleged plot by Muslim extremists to bomb the Holland Tunnel in New York City was nothing more than chatter by unaffiliated individuals with no financing or training in an open forum already monitored extensively by the United States Government, RAW STORY has learned.

?The so-called New York tunnel plot was a result of discussions held on an open Jihadi web site,? said former CIA officer and contributor to American Conservative Philip Giraldi in a late Friday afternoon conversation. Although Giraldi acknowledges that the persons involved ? ?three of whom have already been arrested in Lebanon and elsewhere - are indeed extremists," their online chatter is considerably overblown by allegations of an actual plot.

?They are not professionally trained terrorists, however, and had no resources with which to carry out the operation they discussed," Giraldi added. "Despite press reports that they had asked Abu Musab Zarqawi for assistance, there is no information to confirm that. It is known that the members discussed the possibility of approaching Zarqawi but none of them knew him or had any access to him.?

Two other intelligence officials with experience in the field on extremist operations concurred--and expressed concern that what could have been an operation to eventually track known extremists (should they eventually make actual contact with funds and training,) seems to have been exposed for political gain.

Some see this latest ?ploy? as a direct challenge to a New York Times report this week of the disbandment of Alec Station, the CIA unit responsible for tracking Osama bin Laden since before the September 11, 2001 attacks. Moreover, the article contends that officials say the unit was ?disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center.?


Some members of Congress have said that they were not informed of the unit?s closure and expressed concern.

In response to reports that the unit was disbanded, Senator John Kerry (D-MA), who ran against President Bush in the 2004 election, responded earlier this week with a demand for the immediate reinstatement of the unit.

?I fully support efforts to adapt our response to the evolving nature of the threat," wrote Kerry in a letter to John Negroponte, Director of National Intelligence Office of the Director of National, "but this is not a compelling rationale for curtailing efforts to bring this mass murderer to justice."

The alleged bomb plot, sources suggest, may have been to alleviate Bush administration concerns that the Alec Station story would make them appear to be "weak on terror." It is not clear this early on, however, how much of a real and immidate threat the bomb plot may have been.

Director of Homeland Security Michael Chertof seemed unconcerned earlier today, when the news first broke. Chertoff told the Associated Press earlier today that, "It was never a concern that this would actually be executed? We were, as I say, all over this."

The FBI, however, contends that the threat was very much real. "This is a plot that involved martyrdom and explosives," targeting the "tubes that connect Jersey and lower Manhattan," Assistant Director Mark J. Mershon told the Associated Press today.

Special Agent Rich Kolko, a spokesperson for the FBI, told RAW STORY in a late Friday phone call that, ?Mr. Mershon clearly stated the position of the FBI in this case.?

Giraldi, however, says, ?Despite press reports that they had asked Abu Musab Zarqawi for assistance, there is no information to confirm that. It is known that the members discussed the possibility of approaching Zarqawi, but none of them knew him or had any access to him.?

Additionally, Giraldi stated that, ?In sum, the plot, if that is what we would call it, was not well conceived, and there was no possibility of flooding Wall Street. There was no connection to a cell in the US. Finally, professional terrorists generally do not discuss targeting on open channels. As it was being monitored from the beginning of the open discussion, there was little chance anything concrete would have developed."

Trying to make baseless political hay (people like Hugh Hewitt were blathering today that these "terrorists" might have altered plans due to NYTimes "leaking" the SWIFT monitoring. :roll:

These guys were picked up from an internet chat room and NEVER got anywhere near close to any kind of financial dealings.

I am glad you brought up the subject of being picked up from an internet chat room where people say things they would never do in real life and can be instigated by an informant to say things they would never actually do on their own since it is used to go after other potential crimes.

Should it be considered entrapment if they are led on by an informant (whether it be law enforcement or independent third party)?

At what point does one seek out such individuals, during the ideological discussion, maybe the actual plan, or do you wait until the act is about to be committed?
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The suspect told investigators he was acting ?on a religious order from bin Laden and said ?I am proud to carry out his orders?,? the official said.

The suspect?s family denied any al-Qaida links and his mother, Nabila Qotob, said Hammoud taught economics at a local university.

?His morale is high because he is confident he is innocent,? she said of her son, who turned 31 on Thursday.

Originally posted by: 1prophet
bolded the contradiction above, is this a case of a mother and her family believing her son can do no wrong or is someone lying?

How can it be shocking to you that family members loyal to a person who was arrested would espouse their innocence? Doesn't prove, or disprove anything related to guilt.

You do know how many people plead not guilty....

The someone lying also applies to the government, but then again if a family member suspects something what should they do?
 
Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: conjur
Turning into a case of overexaggeration and hype just like the Miami 7



Sources say no serious plot for NYC, just hate chatter
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/No_Plot_for_NYC_Just_Hate_0707.html
One former intelligence field officer says, and two other CIA officials confirm, that the alleged plot by Muslim extremists to bomb the Holland Tunnel in New York City was nothing more than chatter by unaffiliated individuals with no financing or training in an open forum already monitored extensively by the United States Government, RAW STORY has learned.

?The so-called New York tunnel plot was a result of discussions held on an open Jihadi web site,? said former CIA officer and contributor to American Conservative Philip Giraldi in a late Friday afternoon conversation. Although Giraldi acknowledges that the persons involved ? ?three of whom have already been arrested in Lebanon and elsewhere - are indeed extremists," their online chatter is considerably overblown by allegations of an actual plot.

?They are not professionally trained terrorists, however, and had no resources with which to carry out the operation they discussed," Giraldi added. "Despite press reports that they had asked Abu Musab Zarqawi for assistance, there is no information to confirm that. It is known that the members discussed the possibility of approaching Zarqawi but none of them knew him or had any access to him.?

Two other intelligence officials with experience in the field on extremist operations concurred--and expressed concern that what could have been an operation to eventually track known extremists (should they eventually make actual contact with funds and training,) seems to have been exposed for political gain.

Some see this latest ?ploy? as a direct challenge to a New York Times report this week of the disbandment of Alec Station, the CIA unit responsible for tracking Osama bin Laden since before the September 11, 2001 attacks. Moreover, the article contends that officials say the unit was ?disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center.?


Some members of Congress have said that they were not informed of the unit?s closure and expressed concern.

In response to reports that the unit was disbanded, Senator John Kerry (D-MA), who ran against President Bush in the 2004 election, responded earlier this week with a demand for the immediate reinstatement of the unit.

?I fully support efforts to adapt our response to the evolving nature of the threat," wrote Kerry in a letter to John Negroponte, Director of National Intelligence Office of the Director of National, "but this is not a compelling rationale for curtailing efforts to bring this mass murderer to justice."

The alleged bomb plot, sources suggest, may have been to alleviate Bush administration concerns that the Alec Station story would make them appear to be "weak on terror." It is not clear this early on, however, how much of a real and immidate threat the bomb plot may have been.

Director of Homeland Security Michael Chertof seemed unconcerned earlier today, when the news first broke. Chertoff told the Associated Press earlier today that, "It was never a concern that this would actually be executed? We were, as I say, all over this."

The FBI, however, contends that the threat was very much real. "This is a plot that involved martyrdom and explosives," targeting the "tubes that connect Jersey and lower Manhattan," Assistant Director Mark J. Mershon told the Associated Press today.

Special Agent Rich Kolko, a spokesperson for the FBI, told RAW STORY in a late Friday phone call that, ?Mr. Mershon clearly stated the position of the FBI in this case.?

Giraldi, however, says, ?Despite press reports that they had asked Abu Musab Zarqawi for assistance, there is no information to confirm that. It is known that the members discussed the possibility of approaching Zarqawi, but none of them knew him or had any access to him.?

Additionally, Giraldi stated that, ?In sum, the plot, if that is what we would call it, was not well conceived, and there was no possibility of flooding Wall Street. There was no connection to a cell in the US. Finally, professional terrorists generally do not discuss targeting on open channels. As it was being monitored from the beginning of the open discussion, there was little chance anything concrete would have developed."

Trying to make baseless political hay (people like Hugh Hewitt were blathering today that these "terrorists" might have altered plans due to NYTimes "leaking" the SWIFT monitoring. :roll:

These guys were picked up from an internet chat room and NEVER got anywhere near close to any kind of financial dealings.

I am glad you brought up the subject of being picked up from an internet chat room where people say things they would never do in real life and can be instigated by an informant to say things they would never actually do on their own since it is used to go after other potential crimes.

Should it be considered entrapment if they are led on by an informant (whether it be law enforcement or independent third party)?

At what point does one seek out such individuals, during the ideological discussion, maybe the actual plan, or do you wait until the act is about to be committed?

The internet is an excellent source to discover the plots of the mentally deranged. Heck even the Columbine highschool kids knew that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
 
Doesn't anyone think that both the Miami 7 and this so called plot are a bit to convenient? I mean there have not been to many arrests for plots in the US and in 1 year there are two 'credible' arrests? Just seems a bit to convenient if you ask me.

I would not be surprised if around October there is a terrorist alert and some big plot to blow up something is uncovered and all those involved are captured.
 
Headline New York - Fairly incompetent, wannabe "terrorists" come up with an unworkable plan to flood New York, promting rural conservatives to vow to vote Republican this November.

I love how much sense this whole system makes, don't you?
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
NO Sarcasm when I say this

I even think 9/11 was a bit too convenient also.. The Neocons and Cheney and Bush ALL wanted to attack the hell out of Iraq.. and anyone else that could get the Military Industrial Complex rolling and sucking money out of your pockets.. then along came 9/11

This show is just too scary for me ...

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/lonegunmen.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhMozT8nWgc

Eh, I don't know...I buy that they might have a motive and I'm not really convinced they would never sink to doing something like that, but there are two big problems that I see with that theory.

The first is rather obvious, if you wanted to plan 9/11 to support attacking Iraq, you would make it look like Iraq was really involved. Trying to pin the attacks on Iraq after the fact (without actually saying so) might have worked ok on the Fox News viewers, but most of the rest of us realized it was a load of crap. If Bush really did have something to do with 9/11, he could have solved a lot of that problem right from the beginning...why involve bin Laden and Afghanistan at all?

The second is a little less obvious...Bush is not exactly a mastermind, and despite some fairly clever political manipulation from his more intellectually gifted advisors, the entire White House team doesn't really seem capable of pulling something like this off and getting away with it for very long. Their schemes seem to largely involve blatant lying targeted at naive idiots who already lean in your direction (the Swift Boat Vets, "global test" and "nuisance" to name a few examples) or subtle suggestions to create an impression without actually coming right out and saying something (using Iraq and the War on Terror in the same sentence as much as possible). Fairly clever, I suppose, but not really on the same level as engineering a fake terrorist attack that kills thousands of people and covering it up long enough to get away with it.
 
1st.. Iraq/Saddam has been boogieman #1 in the eyes of American citizens.. our govt built him up over the years to be the scariest guy in the middle east *drones that could be launched and attack Manhattan in 30 minutes and distribute WMDs using remote control

They picked Afghanistan 1st .. remember.. then later voted to attack Iraq too in the Axis of Evil

2nd .. Bush is a puppet ... just some good ol boy with an easy drawl to lull everyone to sleep and the Neocons and others are in control of this admin.. totally in control.. actually $400,000,000,000 worth of control taken from the citizens of america.

There are a lot of naive idiots in America.. 2nd term ring a bell... what were the numbers that chose not to even vote because they know there is nothing they can do..
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
NO Sarcasm when I say this

I even think 9/11 was a bit too convenient also.. The Neocons and Cheney and Bush ALL wanted to attack the hell out of Iraq.. and anyone else that could get the Military Industrial Complex rolling and sucking money out of your pockets.. then along came 9/11

This show is just too scary for me ...

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/lonegunmen.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhMozT8nWgc

:laugh: omg :roll: omg :laugh: omg :roll:
one too many magic mushrooms me thinks
 
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: dahunan
NO Sarcasm when I say this

I even think 9/11 was a bit too convenient also.. The Neocons and Cheney and Bush ALL wanted to attack the hell out of Iraq.. and anyone else that could get the Military Industrial Complex rolling and sucking money out of your pockets.. then along came 9/11

This show is just too scary for me ...

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/lonegunmen.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhMozT8nWgc

:laugh: omg :roll: omg :laugh: omg :roll:
one too many magic mushrooms me thinks

Maybe...but if I had to pick between guys who were too suspicious and guys who trusted everything the government did, I'd pick the former.
 
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: dahunan
NO Sarcasm when I say this

I even think 9/11 was a bit too convenient also.. The Neocons and Cheney and Bush ALL wanted to attack the hell out of Iraq.. and anyone else that could get the Military Industrial Complex rolling and sucking money out of your pockets.. then along came 9/11

This show is just too scary for me ...

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/lonegunmen.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhMozT8nWgc

:laugh: omg :roll: omg :laugh: omg :roll:
one too many magic mushrooms me thinks

If you can believe in an invisible being in a book and think it sees you every second then how is what I said so unbelieveable


Who was the former president who warned all of america to be cautious of the lusts and greed of the Military Industrial Complex as he was leaving office

Do you notice some strange historical link in this administration -- many warhawks and .. people who worked in the admin while we were training bin laden in Afghanistan and people who helped Saddam get his chemical weapons program going and people who used their influence to help haliburton become as big as it is today..

 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: dahunan
NO Sarcasm when I say this

I even think 9/11 was a bit too convenient also.. The Neocons and Cheney and Bush ALL wanted to attack the hell out of Iraq.. and anyone else that could get the Military Industrial Complex rolling and sucking money out of your pockets.. then along came 9/11

This show is just too scary for me ...

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/lonegunmen.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhMozT8nWgc

:laugh: omg :roll: omg :laugh: omg :roll:
one too many magic mushrooms me thinks

Maybe...but if I had to pick between guys who were too suspicious and guys who trusted everything the government did, I'd pick the former.

I trust them more then I trust the enemy. If I can't then we might as well all kiss life as we know it goodbye.
 
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: dahunan
NO Sarcasm when I say this

I even think 9/11 was a bit too convenient also.. The Neocons and Cheney and Bush ALL wanted to attack the hell out of Iraq.. and anyone else that could get the Military Industrial Complex rolling and sucking money out of your pockets.. then along came 9/11

This show is just too scary for me ...

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/lonegunmen.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhMozT8nWgc

:laugh: omg :roll: omg :laugh: omg :roll:
one too many magic mushrooms me thinks

Maybe...but if I had to pick between guys who were too suspicious and guys who trusted everything the government did, I'd pick the former.

I trust them more then I trust the enemy. If I can't then we might as well all kiss life as we know it goodbye.

I didn't say we shouldn't trust them more than the terrorists. You guys have to get out of this mindset where there are only two groups, the "bad guys" and the "good guys", and anybody in the former group is subhuman scum that we should do anything to eliminate, and everyone in the latter group is a living man-god who's word we can trust with no reservations. The world isn't all black and white, just because I trust the government more than the terrorists doesn't mean I don't think we need to keep an eye on them too.
 
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