U.S. military aircraft overshoots runway and lands in Hawaii bay

[Hans Gruber]

The runway is not long but it's not a short runway. 7700ft long and 200ft wide. The weather was not good but the approach has to be an (ILS or similar) precision approach. My guess is the pilot put the plane down on the runway somewhere between 4000-6500ft down the runway. The plane went completely into the bay. I am going to guess the pilot didn't realize how far down the runway they touched down. So they probably didn't apply emergency max braking from when the wheels hit the ground. The runway was probably wet so add an extra 500-800ft. Just seeing how far the plane went off the end of the runway leads me to believe that that the plane was still traveling 50-60kts upon water entry.

 

[zinfamous]

looks like that flyboy was defecting to the seamen troop.

 

[trenchfoot]

C-130’s have made more than a few carrier landings, so does that count for short landings for that aircraft?

My bad on miswording the STOL capability of the C130/C17/C5. I'll fix that now. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yeah, I'm guessing that none of you knows shit about what caused this incident. I'll wait for the investigation results.

 

[Zorba]

FWIW at the end of the investigation that is going to be the #1 factor.
Lots of history about landings that should have been go arounds.

Yup, I've been involved the investigation of multiple runway over runs, all of them should've been a go around.

 

[skyking]

Yeah, I'm guessing that none of you knows shit about what caused this incident. I'll wait for the investigation results.

I won't second guess your lawyering skills, but I've seen you speculate about cases all the time. I've been studying aircraft accidents since I've been a pilot for 38 years now.

 

[IronWing]

I think the plane slipped on somebody's dropped surf board.

 

[skyking]

Maybe it was a bikini string??

 

[iRONic]

Yup, I've been involved the investigation of multiple runway over runs, all of them should've been a go around.

I’ve only been involved in one. This was my employer. As Dir of QC the FAA/NTSB were so far up my ass I had to ask them permission to piss! I had to verify the propeller scrape marks on the runway with them…

Very anxiety inducing, since the copilot Gary Payne lived three blocks from me and I used to drive him to work every third Saturday.

N220KC

 

[skyking]

Retracted landing gear?

 

[woolfe9998]

I won't second guess your lawyering skills, but I've seen you speculate about cases all the time. I've been studying aircraft accidents since I've been a pilot for 38 years now.

There's a difference between guessing how a legal case comes out and guessing how something like this comes out. With the former, we usually know the facts (and the law) and will make an educated guess about outcomes. Not sure we know all the facts here yet. Not questioning your expertise here. I'm sure you know about aviation. Just cautioning as we really do not know what happened inside that aircraft right now.

 

[iRONic]

Retracted landing gear?

Yeah, LG/Flap Warning horn CB pulled.

They were practicing missed approaches & go-arounds earlier for Gary's PIC check ride.

 

[skyking]

There's a difference between guessing how a legal case comes out and guessing how something like this comes out. With the former, we usually know the facts (and the law) and will make an educated guess about outcomes. Not sure we know all the facts here yet. Not questioning your expertise here. I'm sure you know about aviation. Just cautioning as we really do not know what happened inside that aircraft right now.

If it were in the hands of the NTSB, we'd be waiting at least 6 months. I don't know what the deal is with the military.
And you're right, I'm the first cheerleader for telling us to wait for the investigation to get over, but some of these things are just obvious, Captain.

 

[skyking]

Yeah, LG/Flap Warning horn CB pulled.

They were practicing missed approaches & go-arounds earlier for Gary's PIC check ride.

Seems like it takes two pilots to make the stupidest errors.
It's something that I would never do. You just suffer through the horn.
We figured out on the 310s that if you got the throttle forward just enough to turn off the horn, it was really close to zero thrust anyway.
It turned into our mark that we would hit with the throttle on the single engine work.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I’ve only been involved in one. This was my employer. As Dir of QC the FAA/NTSB were so far up my ass I had to ask them permission to piss! I had to verify the propeller scrape marks on the runway with them…

Very anxiety inducing, since the copilot Gary Payne lived three blocks from me and I used to drive him to work every third Saturday.

N220KC

Most people are only involved in one aircraft accident, count yourself lucky!

 

[iRONic]

Seems like it takes two pilots to make the stupidest errors.
It's something that I would never do. You just suffer through the horn.
We figured out on the 310s that if you got the throttle forward just enough to turn off the horn, it was really close to zero thrust anyway.
It turned into our mark that we would hit with the throttle on the single engine work.

I don’t blame you. SC, the PIC was a company check airman who wasn't very well respected. I'll leave it at that. About a year before that incident the owner of the company and SC put one of our SD-330s on the ground with the gear up at ACY. Nobody died & far less damage to one of those but it took a long time to fix.

Those Garrett turboprops run at 100% Nr so that trick would be a bitch to pull off.

 

[iRONic]

Most people are only involved in one aircraft accident, count yourself lucky!

True, but I lost a friend and a wife and 2 kids lost their dad.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

True, but I lost a friend and a wife and 2 kids lost their dad.

Fuck man, nevermind, you were the unlucky one as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Zorba]

Yeah, LG/Flap Warning horn CB pulled.

They were practicing missed approaches & go-arounds earlier for Gary's PIC check ride.

Happened to a B-1 on Diego years ago, shooting gear up approaches while some other incident was cleared from the runway. Pilots pulled the warning CB to keep the horn from going off. After the incident was cleared, they landed just like they had been practicing, gears up. Luckily they walked away.

 

[Zorba]

If it were in the hands of the NTSB, we'd be waiting at least 6 months. I don't know what the deal is with the military.
And you're right, I'm the first cheerleader for telling us to wait for the investigation to get over, but some of these things are just obvious, Captain.

Military tends to hide their accident investigations. Very odd system. They basically investigate themselves, then hide the details so no one can learn from it.

 

[iRONic]

Fuck man, nevermind, you were the unlucky one as far as I'm concerned.

Many moons ago… Dude was a happy-go-lucky black guy from Trinidad Tobago just trying to build seat time & make his way over here with his fam.

I'd pull up at his apartment at O dark thirty on a Saturday morning feeling tired, he’d come out with a big old freaking smile and some crazy good coffee.

Yammering all the way to the hanger about how great a day of flying he was gonna have.

 

[iRONic]

Happened to a B-1 on Diego years ago, shooting gear up approaches while some other incident was cleared from the runway. Pilots pulled the warning CB to keep the horn from going off. After the incident was cleared, they landed just like they had been practicing, gears up. Luckily they walked away.

Big ship, big mess.

 

[NWRMidnight]

If it were in the hands of the NTSB, we'd be waiting at least 6 months. I don't know what the deal is with the military.
And you're right, I'm the first cheerleader for telling us to wait for the investigation to get over, but some of these things are just obvious, Captain.

What makes it obvious that it wasn't a mechanical, electrical, or hardware failure in this situation?

 

[skyking]

What makes it obvious that it wasn't a mechanical, electrical, or hardware failure in this situation?

If they touched down on a 7700' runway at the right place and speed, even a reverser failure would not put them in the drink.

 

[skyking]

Many moons ago… Dude was a happy-go-lucky black guy from Trinidad Tobago just trying to build seat time & make his way over here with his fam.

I'd pull up at his apartment at O dark thirty on a Saturday morning feeling tired, he’d come out with a big old freaking smile and some crazy good coffee.

Yammering all the way to the hanger about how great a day of flying he was gonna have.

It does not make it easier. I've lost a few friends along the way.
This kid's dad taught me floats and I got my commercial SES with him flying his Citabria 7 GCBC. There is a pic of it on his son's site.
When I found his website it kinda broke me up a bit.
https://www.joshspengler.com/about-joshua-spengler-pilot/
Scott did not die flying. He had a fantastic gig, flying the rich Seattlites in their own Beavers up to the islands and up to the lakes in Canada. Folks would pay him to take them up, and they had some really nice beavers that they themselves were not licensed to fly.
He got a fricken crotch rocket and died on the perimeter road at Renton in a single bike accident.
Phil Ware was instructing in a Lake amphibian that I took him down to Sacramento to pick up. I took him and his dad down in the 310 and they brought two of the Lakes back. It was back in the days of building multi time.
After the first water landing with the owner/student, they had issues and did a flat spin into Bellevue.
I have no interest in flying that type.