U.S. Media Bias

[Czar]

Originally posted by: SilentRunning

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: SilentRunning
I think the real problem is that the Palestinians don't know what the truth is anymore. I watched their spokesperson on a news program state that the murder bombings were a response by Palestine's military to the previous action that Israel had taken in Palestine.

Then about 5 minutes later she stated that the Israelis were occupying Palestine so they were not allowed to have a military.

Confused they heck out of me. Our military responded (it's not terrorism).........wait we have no military).

if the US would be invaded and had no army it would look at the militia as their army

The real problem is that extremists control the forces of both sides.

But she claimed no militia either. She said that there was no military force in Palestine and that any Israel attack was an attack at innocent civilians. Militia members could not be considered innocent civilians.

I don't think most of the Israelis killed by the bombings would be considered militia.

then I dont have a clue what she might have meant

in a way all Israelies over a certain age could be considered an inactive militia since everyone goes through a few years of service.

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: Czar

then I dont have a clue what she might have meant

My point exactly, they don't know what they are talking about. Kind of hard resolve an issue when the leaders create moving targets to peace.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: SilentRunning

Originally posted by: Czar

then I dont have a clue what she might have meant

My point exactly, they don't know what they are talking about. Kind of hard resolve an issue when the leaders create moving targets to peace.

she, not they

 

[Amused]

What do you do when your veiwpoint is supported by no valid reference, and you have no argument?

Claim the whole world is "brainwashed," (and the valid references are the ones doing the brainwashing) and you are the few sane, unbiased people left.

It's the last argument of a person who has no argument.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Piano Man

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
No, that is your contention.

If you were brainwashed would you know it, would anything anyone else says prove it to you? You don't seem to appreciate how deep self-deception runs in all of us...but then I guess that explains itself.

I agree completely. There is no way to know that you are brainwashed. I will even take into account that maybe I am perhaps brainwashed. But that is why I look for as many sources as possible to move myself towards the unattainable truth. I just want to get as close as possible, which I think a lot of people on here do not, but yet point at others and preach. Can we both agree with that?

I don't think you really believe that. You ignore and dismiss the possiblity that the people that are being called brainwashed also use as many sources as possible to reach their conclusion. The US has an open media and the internet which makes it possible to use many sources. We do not have a State religion which wants to control every aspect of out lives.

I repeat.

Give us your definition of brainwashed as you are using it in this thread and an example of how I might be brainwashed. Let?s deal with some specifics.

Do you believe that Israel had anything to do with the incidents on 9/11? Are the people that still believe that lie brainwashed? Who brainwashed them and why?

 

[Jzero]

I don't think you really believe that. You ignore and dismiss the possiblity that the people that are being called brainwashed also use as many sources as possible to reach their conclusion. The US has an open media and the internet which makes it possible to use many sources. We do not have a State religion which wants to control every aspect of out lives.
IT DOESN'T MATTER! There are many OTHER influences on our mass-media. No source ANYWHERE is free of bias. It doesn't matter how many news sources you get your facts from--if you're getting your facts from any news sources at all, you are getting your facts from sources which are written by HUMAN BEINGS who can never be totally objective. If you read an account of the same story in 100 liberal and 100 conservative rags, if I asked you what happened, you would be unable to give me a completely bias-free summary, because you would still take from those articles only what YOU consider to be the valid points, which you only consider to be valid due to your own brainwashing.

Give us your definition of brainwashed as you are using it in this thread and an example of how I might be brainwashed. Let?s deal with some specifics.

We're talking about the fact that you have a slant one way or the other, whether you wish to believe it or not. We're not talking about the 60's/70's definition of brainwashing. No single government or entity is outwardly attempting to brainwash us. We are brainwashed by the society we live in and the people we associate with.

Do you believe that Israel had anything to do with the incidents on 9/11? Are the people that still believe that lie brainwashed? Who brainwashed them and why?

No, then yes.
As I said above, they were not consciously brainwashed by some government or entity, but they are brainwashed nonetheless by whomever gave them the idea to blame Israel, or whenever they hatched their own mistrust of Israel.

Just because you are brainwashed into believing a minority viewpoint doesn't mean you're not brainwashed.

 

[etech]

Czar

in a way all Israelies over a certain age could be considered an inactive militia since everyone goes through a few years of service.

Do you really want to go that far?

In a way any Palestinian over a certain age could be considered a possible suicide bomber and thus is a legitimate target. That is where you line of reasoning (or lack of) leads.


Jzero
What is it when high government officials are the ones reporting that story?
Saudi Minister: Jews Behind 9/11 Attacks

"We know that the Jews have manipulated the Sept. 11 incidents and turned American public opinion against Arabs and Muslims," Prince Nayef was quoted as saying in the Arabic text, while Ain al Yaqeen's English version referred to "Zionists" instead of "Jews."


There was a Pakistian general that was spreading this rumor also. His reasoning seemed to be that Arabs were too "unsophisticated" to have carried out the attacks. I'd have to look up the specific wording he used but he really insulted all Arabs by his statements. Anyway, the point is that there seem to be a concerted effort to spread misinformation in the Arab world. That is where the terrorists are coming from but yet some people are so fixated on the US they can ignore that and only complain about the US.

 

[LongCoolMother]

of course US media is biased. who cares?

let it go......

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Claim the whole world is "brainwashed," (and the valid references are the ones doing the brainwashing) and you are the few sane, unbiased people left.

It's the last argument of a person who has no argument.

But Amused that's you up and down as much as anyone else. The validity of a reference is subjective.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

No state relgion that wants to control our lives, but a state conglomeration of business interests that does instead. Media isn't open, it's owned, and sponsored by parties with interests at stake.

 

[etech]

EngineNr9

sigh, you are typing this on the internet, everyone who is reading it has access to the internet. Each of those people can access news from around the world and very very many of us do.

Where is this all-encompassing control by the "state conglomeration of business interests"


Now compare and contrast the freedoms in the US to what happened in Nigeria when one person made an indelicate remard about Momamed.

How about the case of Hashem Aghajari in Iran for speaking out? Who is being controlled there?

Saudi Arabia ?

Iraq?

Syria

Egypt ?

Do I need to go on? Worry about the people that truly have no freedom of the press. Try to do something about the countries where speaking your mind will get you a death sentence or even make your entire family disapear.

As for me, you can have my internet connection when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

 

[Jzero]

What does all this have to do with the concept that everyone is brainwashed in one way or another?
Are you saying that a Saudi Prince and a Pakistani General aren't brainwashed by their own cultures into hating "zionists?"
Or that Zionists aren't themsleves brainwashed in some way?

I'm not following you.

 

[MinorityReport]

Media bais in US is who can feed the low life journos more cash ...

As such with a journalism major you start at $18k /year on a national average .. do not expect honor, truth, class or ingenutiy in media reporting.

If you want your voice to be heard loud, just pay more.

US enjoys good press freedom but not as much as say EU. The bigots of the US bible belt want to talk, shout and moan about what feels good .. not what is the essential truth.


The worst offenders of free press are China, Saudia Arabia, Iran, Libya, Nkorea, Pakistan etc ..the usual suspects

In Libya my typewriter was confisticate by customs .Thier explanation ? A typewriter could be a medium for distribution, printing of anti revolutioanry material.

To own a PC,( non commercial) you need a license from the state govenment and for every printer, modem connection also.



The best freedom of press is I would say in India and EU ( from personal experience )

 

[novon]

As long as money is king, there will always be bias, even in a free country. That's why socialist countries usually have more honest news sources. So how free are we? I expect better.