U.S. Media Bias

[grrl]

youre sucha schmuck, you miss the big point of the issue, and im not going to outline it - just kiss it when alqaida keeps whipping you, and you cant do anything about it.

Obviously you're the schmuck, bsd, since you accuse someone of not understanding then refuse to explain what it is. Add something worthwhile or just shut the fVck up.

 

[Random Variable]

Reuters--the very large London-based news service--is now referring to Osama bin Laden as nothing more than a "Saudi-born dissident." And no one is calling them biased. (I like Reuters news stories, BTW.)

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: bsd

are you a zionist?

No. I'm not Jewish, nor am I Muslim. I'm not related to any Jews or Muslims, nor do I have either as friends (there's just not many of either one here in the midwest).

I am simply an objective observer who, at first, was sympathetic to the "Palestinian" cause... until I took the time to learn the factual history of 45 years of Arab aggression towards Israel.

However, the fact that you use the term "Zionist" leads me to believe you're either Muslim, Arab, or a White Pow(d)er puff. Which is it?

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bsd

are you a zionist?

No. I'm not Jewish, nor am I Muslim. I'm not related to any Jews or Muslims, nor do I have either as friends (there's just not many of either one here in the midwest).

I am simply an objective observer who, at first, was sympathetic to the "Palestinian" cause... until I took the time to learn the factual history of 45 years of Arab aggression towards Israel.

However, the fact that you use the term "Zionist" leads me to believe you're either Muslim, Arab, or a White Pow(d)er puff. Which is it?

You clearly haven't read up on Israel/Palestine history if you don't know the history of the Zionist movement, and think their history goes back 45 years. Try 100 years and answer me as to the makeup of the population at that time and what prompted the change.

 

[Mill]

I prefer the bias of Arab News, Al Jazeera, Uruklink, etc. Much better sources of info...

 

[Moonbeam]

Americans are profoundly brainwashed. It's in the water. We cannot see it. Only if you leave for a long period of time or are foreign can you see the tremendous propaganda in American daily life. Of course you can also study and apply deprogramming techniques.

 

[Random Variable]

Americans are profoundly brainwashed. It's in the water. We cannot see it. Only if you leave for a long period of time or are foreign can you see the tremendous propaganda in American daily life. Of course you can also study and apply deprogramming techniques.

Self-proclaimed intellectual elitists like yourself are profoundly brainwashed for thinking that all Americans are profoundly brainwashed. It's too bad that you cannot see that.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bsd

are you a zionist?

No. I'm not Jewish, nor am I Muslim. I'm not related to any Jews or Muslims, nor do I have either as friends (there's just not many of either one here in the midwest).

I am simply an objective observer who, at first, was sympathetic to the "Palestinian" cause... until I took the time to learn the factual history of 45 years of Arab aggression towards Israel.

However, the fact that you use the term "Zionist" leads me to believe you're either Muslim, Arab, or a White Pow(d)er puff. Which is it?

You clearly haven't read up on Israel/Palestine history if you don't know the history of the Zionist movement, and think their history goes back 45 years. Try 100 years and answer me as to the makeup of the population at that time and what prompted the change.

Until the first settlers arrived in the late 1800's, the population west of the Jordan River was, for the most part, nomadic. There are numerous accounts about how the land at that time was so infertile and so mosquito-infested that it was nearly uninhabitable. (Read of the accounts of Mark Twain, someone who didn't trust the Jews at all.) Immigration from the surrouding Arab countries increased dramatically after the turn of the 20th century.

But I'm not supposed to say stuff like that because it's racist and not politically correct.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Self-proclaimed intellectual elitists like yourself are profoundly brainwashed for thinking that all Americans are profoundly brainwashed. It's too bad that you cannot see that.

Right back at you.

 

[etech]

It seems that the people saying that all Americans are brainwashed are saying " Why why if you don't agree with my views you must be brainwashed. I'm such an intellectual giant that you have to agree with me." They sure don't present any evidance to backup their case.

Balderdash, I know many of the people that share my views regularly use news sources from overseas and guess what, I hold the views I do in part because of that.


EngineNr9
That sort of argument is common among grade school children. Can you be a little more persuasive than "right back at you".? It will help keep the discussions interesting.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Self-proclaimed intellectual elitists like yourself are profoundly brainwashed for thinking that all Americans are profoundly brainwashed. It's too bad that you cannot see that.

Right back at you.

That was quite a witty retort.

Who taught you (and Moonbeam) that you should vilify and deride anyone who doesn't agree with your political views?

 

[bizmark]

3rd reply in this thread:

Originally posted by: Vespasian
Israelis are murderous terrorists who love, more than anything else, to make the Palestinian people suffer.

Do you feel better now?

okay, maybe that wasn't vilifying or deriding, but it's certainly at least ridiculing. And I don't see anything here suggesting that EngineNr9 was vilifying or deriding you or others who "don't agree with his political views" (although I know that there have been numerous threads like this in which EngineNr9 has participated.... sorry for not conducting a thorough search, but if I did I'd probably find things that I could use against you as well). In any case, I don't see anything that really distinguishes what he said in his post from what you said in your first reply to this thread.

So, then:

Originally posted by: Vespasian
Who taught you (and Moonbeam) that you should vilify and deride anyone who doesn't agree with your political views?

Right back at you.

oh and I thought that everybody knew by now that if they disagreed with Moonbeam, they should just ignore him

edit: lest that last line should be misinterpreted: I have grown to understand, appreciate, and agree with almost everything that Moonbeam says. It took a while for me to do so. Maybe it's just that I'm at a stage in my life when his message really hits home. I don't know how I came to this stage, but I do know that if I hadn't, I'd simply ignore him just because it'd be frustrating to hear him say the same unintelligible feel-good psychobabble bullsh|t over, and over, and over again.

 

[SherEPunjab]

i used to like cnn, until i realized how biased it is. no more mainstream american media for me.

i prefer BBC.

 

[Moonbeam]

Americans are profoundly brainwashed. It's in the water. We cannot see it. Only if you leave for a long period of time or are foreign can you see the tremendous propaganda in American daily life. Of course you can also study and apply deprogramming techniques.


What is that? Americans are profoundly brainwashed. This is a statement, a proposition a suggestion. It is presented as fact. It's in the water. This would mean that we are surrounded by and breathe this propaganda. A second suggestion of fact. We cannot see it. You and I are blind to what we are propagandized to because the nature of propaganda is to create an invisible lie. This is practically a statement of definition. Obviously, if you have not been conditioned by a particular line of propaganda, the invisible lie is visible to you. Living outside a country exempts you to that countries propaganda. These are statements of obvious if important truth. It is possible to deprogram, but it is not common. Most people couldn't begin to formulate a strategy as to how to do this.

Additional thoughts: In the presentation of information people react according to type. A person who is concerned about being intelligent, really somebody who has been made to feel stupid, will often react by calling ideas stupid, or intellectually elite.

Somebody who feels belittled or small will react with comments revealing that they feel insulted or attacked.

A liar will see a lie.

Because of negative feelings, information about our condition is almost impossible to transmit. Everybody is expecting bad news and bad news is what they hear. The next step is to attack, to tilt at windmills.

We are all brainwashed. The process is completely effective and secure because we are too proud, too filled with self hate, to admit any negative truth to ourselves. The inability to deal with negative information is one of the symptoms of a brainwashed mind. The need to defend, attack, or ignore are other diagnostics.

 

[Format C:]

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[bsd]

Originally posted by: grrl

youre sucha schmuck, you miss the big point of the issue, and im not going to outline it - just kiss it when alqaida keeps whipping you, and you cant do anything about it.

Obviously you're the schmuck, bsd, since you accuse someone of not understanding then refuse to explain what it is. Add something worthwhile or just shut the fVck up.

f u c k y o u ! i dont help morons and people i dont like.

 

[bsd]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bsdare you a zionist?

No. I'm not Jewish, nor am I Muslim. I'm not related to any Jews or Muslims, nor do I have either as friends (there's just not many of either one here in the midwest).I am simply an objective observer who, at first, was sympathetic to the "Palestinian" cause... until I took the time to learn the factual history of 45 years of Arab aggression towards Israel.However, the fact that you use the term "Zionist" leads me to believe you're either Muslim, Arab, or a White Pow(d)er puff. Which is it?

ok i accept youre not a zionist, but the history you have studied was either biased, and you are too dumb to see it, or you studied accurate history and managed to draw the wrong conclusions.

youre not an objective observer, you re a small minded business owner, who interprets things with his own values.

im not any of the three things you mentioned, im an intelligent observer, who laughs at ignorance and the cost it causes people, ahh roll on the day a jet hits the knesset.

 

[C'DaleRider]

f u c k y o u ! i dont help morons and people i dont like.

I see this discussion has now degenerated into grade-school playground name calling..........how sad. Adn before you tell me to "STFU", as I expect your childlike argument to sound, over time I've noticed when arguments turn to name-calling, the person calling the names, saying things like "It's common knowledge and if you don't see it, F*** you," or sentiments like that are just digns of kids playground posturing or the person has no idea what he/she is talking about.

Something I've noticed over the years of this conflict, the "murderers", as they are called in Israel, are called "martyrs" by the Arab news srouces. Year after year of calling bombers martyrs has a profound "brainwashing" effect......as good as any professed to be done by the Western media.

And another item I've seen........no matter what the two sides seem to do to try to stop the conflict, there are Arabs who are determined to not have any peace in the region. A cease-fire is called, and a bomb goes off and reaponsibility is taken by one extreme Arab faction.................and these factions seem bent on causing a complete war. It's quite obvious that at least one side, or powerful factions within that side, has little interest in ending this peacefully.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Amused

Self Defense: any act of violence by Israelis (soldiers or settlers).

What else would you call it?

So a settler bombing a Palestinian school (yes it happens) is only defending himself?
Settlers firing at Palestinian towns?

Both sides have terrorists.

And about the settlements: A lot were build after agreements were made not to build any more of them on Palestinian ground, which is in my opinion a fair reason for saying they're illegal. Compare it to you buying a farm with 100 acres of land, and me and some friends suddenly starting to build houses on it and claiming half the land as our own. Would you not mind those friendly neighbours, who will shoot you or your family if you come too close?

 

[Jzero]

youre not an objective observer, you re a small minded business owner, who interprets things with his own values.

im not any of the three things you mentioned, im an intelligent observer, who laughs at ignorance and the cost it causes people, ahh roll on the day a jet hits the knesset.

Actually, BSD, you're only half right.
You are also nothing more than a non-objective observer who interprets things with his own values.

As for the intelligent part, your posts seem to demonstrate otherwise.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: whalen
If you dont like it in the US, then feel free to leave. No one is keeping you here. If you think American media is the only skewed source of news, then you need a wake up call...

Lucky for me, I'm not American....and while every paper in every country has its own bias (we have Izzy Asper in Canada pushing the Israeli line), their is nothing to compare with the bias from N. American media and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Its propaganda. To get perspective, you have to look elsewhere.

If I had a nickle for every time I read about the sacred tradition of blood drinking that went on after dark during Ramadan that was reported in the US media I still could not buy a piece of bubble gum. link The US media is biased, yes, but at least we attempt to check the veracity of stories before printing libel.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: bsd

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bsdare you a zionist?

No. I'm not Jewish, nor am I Muslim. I'm not related to any Jews or Muslims, nor do I have either as friends (there's just not many of either one here in the midwest).I am simply an objective observer who, at first, was sympathetic to the "Palestinian" cause... until I took the time to learn the factual history of 45 years of Arab aggression towards Israel.However, the fact that you use the term "Zionist" leads me to believe you're either Muslim, Arab, or a White Pow(d)er puff. Which is it?

ok i accept youre not a zionist, but the history you have studied was either biased, and you are too dumb to see it, or you studied accurate history and managed to draw the wrong conclusions.

youre not an objective observer, you re a small minded business owner, who interprets things with his own values.

im not any of the three things you mentioned, im an intelligent observer, who laughs at ignorance and the cost it causes people, ahh roll on the day a jet hits the knesset.

The irony of your post is almost too much to bear.

You tell me I'm wrong, but fail to support your assertion in any reasonable fashion... You go on to call me "small minded" and "dumb."

You THEN go on to celebrate the potential death of innocent people.

Let me know when you can carry on an intelligent, informed debate, OK?

 

[hagbard]

Reading material:

The Accused

Israeli massacres of Palestinines

Nailing Sharon

What American's need to know...

USS Liberty

NCR


No claim to objectivitity here, just a little balance to the ongoing pro-Israeli propaganda campaign.

and here's one re: Saddam

Impirial Deja Vu

and his website is ERIC MARGOLIS

 

[Ornery]

Let me get this straight, hagbard. After scoping this ALL out in a balanced fashion, you'd side with who? The Palistinians and Saddam?

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Let me get this straight, hagbard. After scoping this ALL out in a balanced fashion, you'd side with who? The Palistinians and Saddam?

I certainly do side with the Palestinians, and while I don't care for Saddam, he is far from the worst of the lot. You have to be blind if you don't see Bush's 'game plan'. He is, imo, a greater danger to world security than Saddam could ever be.