U.S. Appeals Court Killed Net Neutrality

[CrackRabbit]

Net Neutrality at it's core and goal prevents a network from adapting flows intelligently to application requirements based on path and congestion. It seeks all traffic to be treated the same which is fundamentally against where the industry is heading technology wise.

That is why it is such a terrible idea and why it is a huge blow to technological advancement of the Internet.

 

[Bowfinger]

Net Neutrality at it's core and goal prevents a network from adapting flows intelligently to application requirements based on path and congestion. It seeks all traffic to be treated the same which is fundamentally against where the industry is heading technology wise.

That is why it is such a terrible idea and why it is a huge blow to technological advancement of the Internet.

Repeating the same talking points over and over doesn't make them true. One of the many earlier facts you continue to evade is the FCC regulations expressly allow for reasonable network management. This does NOT mean handling all traffic identically. It does prohibit a carrier from degrading competitors' traffic compared to their own, for any given kind of traffic, and it prohibits blocking competitors (with narrow exceptions).

If you think you can prove otherwise, have at it. Otherwise, all your hand waving and declarations are meaningless.

 

[Bowfinger]

Read the thread moron. That's tongue in cheek. In the networking forum every year college kids would come and complain about their university and how to bypass their security. Then we would have fun making fun of them.

I did read the thread, moron. You behaved then exactly as you do today, with the same spittle-laced hyperbole that is your trademark. Are you suggesting all your bombastic rants now are also "tongue in cheek", i.e., that none of your posts are honest?

 

[BoberFett]

Net Neutrality at it's core and goal prevents a network from adapting flows intelligently to application requirements based on path and congestion. It seeks all traffic to be treated the same which is fundamentally against where the industry is heading technology wise.

That is why it is such a terrible idea and why it is a huge blow to technological advancement of the Internet.

By "adapting flows intelligently" you mean Comcast throttling Netflix to favor the success of their own IPTV business? Or sell an upgrade Netflix package to the consumer?

Stop using shaping band-aids (your words) to avoid upgrading backbones.

 

[BUnit1701]

By "adapting flows intelligently" you mean Comcast throttling Netflix to favor the success of their own IPTV business? Or sell an upgrade Netflix package to the consumer?

Stop using shaping band-aids (your words) to avoid upgrading backbones.

O no, that cant happen, the mighty FCC will swoop in to stop them, but only if we DONT have net neutrality...

 

[spidey07]

So everybody is fine then with me dropping packets and shaping flows based on application then? That means your torrents would be the highest drop precedence followed by bulk transfers and then web browsing and e-mail.

 

[dainthomas]

LOL, I do design and consulting for service providers and enterprise data centers. The engineers are many levels beneath me as are the architects.

Would you like me to explain why doing layer3 over a VPC is a very bad idea from a layer2 and layer3 perspective?

I can't wait to hear what wikipedia has to say on this topic.

 

[BoberFett]

So everybody is fine then with me dropping packets and shaping flows based on application then? That means your torrents would be the highest drop precedence followed by bulk transfers and then web browsing and e-mail.

Or you you upgrade your infrastructure to cover what you've oversold.

 

[CitizenKain]

Or you you upgrade your infrastructure to cover what you've oversold.

Whoa whoa whoa, upgrading costs money that rightfully belongs hidden in an off shore account. It would be a lot more beneficial to the industry if people paid a modest service charge on accessing Netflix.

 

[HendrixFan]

By "adapting flows intelligently" you mean Comcast throttling Netflix to favor the success of their own IPTV business? Or sell an upgrade Netflix package to the consumer?

Stop using shaping band-aids (your words) to avoid upgrading backbones.

http://arstechnica.com/information-...erizon-customers-rcn-delivers-faster-netflix/

Netflix even offers free caching to ISPs in order to cut bandwidth and guarantee reliable speeds but many refuse. The ISPs refuse for the same reason they oppose net neutrality, for the same reason BoberFett describes above.

Here in Austin, Google Fiber is going to be deployed. I've been on AT&T Uverse for 5+ years with only marginal increases in bandwidth over that time. It has trickled up to 24Mb for $70 for the top tier, up from 18Mb. With Googe Fiber approaching they are now offering (Austin only!) 300Mb for $70 a month with a one year contract. I wouldn't expect similar plans and pricing from AT&T elsewhere.

 

[ImpulsE69]

And.....here....we.....go....

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/01/15/netflix-net-neutrality-costs/4491117/

 

[ch33zw1z]

Oh yea, Netflix will have to raise it's subscribers fee's to keep up. And my ISP will raise my rates because I want to stream from them as well. Double win for the ISP's like Comcast.

 

[Engineer]

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...usly-Promises-to-Act-on-Net-Neutrality-127373

Lip service or upcoming action? We will see.

 

[ImpulsE69]

AT&T is right now charging its users who visit any site or use any internet service that does not participate in its Sponsored Data program.


Is this true?

 

[spidey07]

AT&T is right now charging its users who visit any site or use any internet service that does not participate in its Sponsored Data program.


Is this true?

Can't be.

You honestly think a carrier would do that? What possible motivation could there be to kill their subscriber base.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Can't be.

You honestly think a carrier would do that? What possible motivation could there be to kill their subscriber base.

Direct quote from an AT&T representative:

"The delivery of content involved in this program would, of course, NOT be prioritized over any other data on our network," AT&T told Ars. "The only thing that changes under this model is that the sponsored content does not impact the user’s data plan. If a business doesn't see the value, there's no reason they'll ever need to use it."

http://arstechnica.com/business/201...-profits-with-new-fees-for-content-providers/

 

[Cerb]

So everybody is fine then with me dropping packets and shaping flows based on application then? That means your torrents would be the highest drop precedence followed by bulk transfers and then web browsing and e-mail.

Yes. Why is it so hard for you to understand that it's a Trust issue (as in monopoly/oligopoly power abuse)? Treating Netflix, Youtube, Vimeo, or Hulu traffic as lesser to your own IPTV network traffic is being non-neutral. Treating torrents, as an example as lesser than VOIP, streaming video, web, etc., is entirely reasonable, and perfectly neutral.

 

[Jaskalas]

In a way, yes. ISPs can offer you better services for less cost.

Net Neutrality drives up costs, reduces per customer bandwidth and prevents ISPs from offering the best service technology can provide. It's a TERRIBLE idea and would be the biggest single worst thing to ever happen to the Internet, it's that bad.

The technology now is to push application recognition into routing hardware so that all streaming video would be a picture perfect experience. Net Neutrality would prevent that from ever happening and you'll be forced to put up with your crappy IP video. It's a TERRIBLE idea.

There is no reason to specialize routing for video. It sounds like you're making up a fairy tale.

 

[dawheat]

Yes. Why is it so hard for you to understand that it's a Trust issue (as in monopoly/oligopoly power abuse)? Treating Netflix, Youtube, Vimeo, or Hulu traffic as lesser to your own IPTV network traffic is being non-neutral. Treating torrents, as an example as lesser than VOIP, streaming video, web, etc., is entirely reasonable, and perfectly neutral.

Truth - I have no issues with ISPs managing their networks as long as it treats all types of traffic equally. So if they choose to prioritize videos after normal web traffic, that's fine as long as it's all video services, not just specific ones.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Truth - I have no issues with ISPs managing their networks as long as it treats all types of traffic equally. So if they choose to prioritize videos after normal web traffic, that's fine as long as it's all video services, not just specific ones.

That's what the FCC rule that got struck down says.

ISP sued and got rid of that. So now it's open season to shape traffic from any site they don't like for any reason at all. :biggrin:


Comcast can't until 2020* (I didn't fact check date) but other ISPs are good to go.

 

[WelshBloke]

New bill would restore net neutrali...uld-restore-net-neutrality-pending-fcc-action

Thanks Obama. :thumbup:

(posted purely to piss spidey off)

 

[RampantAndroid]

New bill would restore net neutrali...uld-restore-net-neutrality-pending-fcc-action

Thanks Obama. :thumbup:

(posted purely to piss spidey off)

New bill would restore net neutrality pending FCC action

ftfy

 

[spidey07]

New bill would restore net neutrali...uld-restore-net-neutrality-pending-fcc-action

Thanks Obama. :thumbup:

(posted purely to piss spidey off)

What you fail to understand is I will make my money either way.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Net Neutrality at it's core and goal prevents a network from adapting flows intelligently to application requirements based on path and congestion. It seeks all traffic to be treated the same which is fundamentally against where the industry is heading technology wise.

That is why it is such a terrible idea and why it is a huge blow to technological advancement of the Internet.

No, net neutrality at its core seeks to let Comcast make Netflix near unusable next to their own xfinity streaming service. Cable companies see that many people are cancelling cable subscriptions. Many more never get one in the first place. I'm getting an antenna myself and dumping my comcast basic cable - it's crap.

If you let them limit Netflix, Hulu and Amazon streaming, they can make them seem so bad that people will have to drop them and buy cable packages again.

Remember, cable TV is an enforced monopoly still.

 

[WelshBloke]

The adults like myself have spoken. The courts have spoken. The intelligent lobbyists have spoken and correctly influenced congress.

The issue is dead. The ones who actually understand the issue, of which I am about the only one in this thread that does, have spoken.

The policy has been decided, correctly. You and the other children will NOT get to halt the advancement of the Internet no matter how much of a trantrum you children raise on message boards. Anybody who supports net neutrality has proven they have ZERO understanding of the issue or how the Internet works and can be summarily dismissed as an idiot.