U.S. Appeals Court Killed Net Neutrality

[spidey07]

... cries the boy who has still fails to support his hand waving and belligerence with anything substantive. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. We still have no reason to believe you have expertise in anything except blowing smoke.


I see. Yet in that thread from 11 years ago, you're ranting about how your university network sucks, and how you can get your wares much faster at your parents:

"Tell me about it. Its re-god-damn-diculous. I mean heck back at my parent's place I can download wares at a pretty good clip, but this damn university network suxors rolally. I'm getting ready to 0wnz this place. I've already complained to the Dean of computer science and the director of Campus network systems.

"He'd better fix this crappy network or else. I demand satisfaction."
​

and:

"Demand satisfaction, only through vocal action can we get these stupid, dumb idiot universities to listen to us!"
​

So which time were you lying?


I wonder how many irony meters you broke with that little gem.

By the way, you once again evaded his point, that the very reason the FCC has been able to keep broadband providers from abusing their duopolies is because of the FCC's regulations. Unless we win on appeal, or Congress acts quickly (hah!), those broadband providers will be free to do what they want to their competitors' traffic.

Read the thread moron. That's tongue in cheek. In the networking forum every year college kids would come and complain about their university and how to bypass their security. Then we would have fun making fun of them.

 

[spidey07]

Spidey, you should probably just back out of a thread you were just called out for blatantly lying in.

Seek help.

I will NOT back out when there are fucking morons trying to halt the progress of the Internet because they have zero knowledge of the issue. It's blatant ignorance.

 

[fskimospy]

I will NOT back out when there are fucking morons trying to halt the progress of the Internet because they have zero knowledge of the issue. It's blatant ignorance.

You having zero knowledge of issues never stops you from trying to halt progress, so why so mad about it now?

Don't worry, we'll find a way to enforce net neutrality. It's basic economics to understand why giving companies that act as service providers and content providers an effective veto over competitors' content is a bad idea.

 

[Oldgamer]

Hrrmmm....well, it seems Net neutrality was really killed in 2002 when FCC Chairman Michael Powell (now CEO of NCTA, the top cable industry lobbying organization) reclassified cable modem services as “information services”. [Regulatory government officials] later landed high-paying jobs funded by the cable industry.

Link to News article

The FCC really needs to reclassify the net then. Honestly it isn't just information services it is literally a communication service. So many people use VOIP for phone communication, and utilize email to communicate and so on. Chat systems, forums like this are all types of communication and not just information systems.

 

[BoberFett]

Yes. You are all idiots who don't understand networking or how the internet works.

Oh, so I guess I wasn't writing low level TCP code back in the mid 90s, that must have been somebody else...

 

[brycejones]

I will NOT back out when there are fucking morons trying to halt the progress of the Internet because they have zero knowledge of the issue. It's blatant ignorance.

Leave policy discussions to adults. From the start you have acted like a child in this thread.

 

[Engineer]

Leave policy discussions to adults. From the start you have acted like a child in this thread.

Just this thread? Buwhahahahahah

 

[spidey07]

Leave policy discussions to adults. From the start you have acted like a child in this thread.

The adults like myself have spoken. The courts have spoken. The intelligent lobbyists have spoken and correctly influenced congress.

The issue is dead. The ones who actually understand the issue, of which I am about the only one in this thread that does, have spoken.

The policy has been decided, correctly. You and the other children will NOT get to halt the advancement of the Internet no matter how much of a trantrum you children raise on message boards. Anybody who supports net neutrality has proven they have ZERO understanding of the issue or how the Internet works and can be summarily dismissed as an idiot.

 

[Engineer]

=Service providers are extremely competitive.

Bullshit they are. They would rather spend their money lobbying to block competition than to compete against each other or have more competition. That's exactly why communities get hammered when trying to build their own local networks. Hell, San Antonio already has a fiberoptic network in place and can't use it because of bullshit from the big ISP's already there.

They are as anti-competitive as they come, period.

 

[CitizenKain]

The adults like myself have spoken. The courts have spoken. The intelligent lobbyists have spoken and correctly influenced congress.

The issue is dead. The ones who actually understand the issue, of which I am about the only one in this thread that does, have spoken.

The policy has been decided, correctly. You and the other children will NOT get to halt the advancement of the Internet no matter how much of a trantrum you children raise on message boards. Anybody who supports net neutrality has proven they have ZERO understanding of the issue or how the Internet works and can be summarily dismissed as an idiot.

You don't understand a goddamn thing people are talking about in here, or anywhere for that matter.

 

[BoberFett]

Well, I guess we can't argue with Spidey.

Now in the spirit of small government and private property rights, everyone in favor of net neutrality should go out and cut the cables running under their yards until the providers pays them for that right. Access through my yard is worth at least $50K to me, we can start the bidding there.

 

[spidey07]

You don't understand a goddamn thing people are talking about in here, or anywhere for that matter.

That's because you and others have zero understanding of the issue or what's at stake and how much it will harm the Internet.

You really need to leave these decisions and policy to those who do like myself.

 

[surfsatwerk]

We need to have more threads about the internet for spidey to share his views.

 

[fskimospy]

That's because you and others have zero understanding of the issue or what's at stake and how much it will harm the Internet.

You really need to leave these decisions and policy to those who do like myself.

You have zero understanding of the economics of the issue, what's at stake, and how much it will harm the internet (and numerous other industries).

You really need to leave those decisions to those who do.

 

[CitizenKain]

That's because you and others have zero understanding of the issue or what's at stake and how much it will harm the Internet.

You really need to leave these decisions and policy to those who do like myself.

I wouldn't trust you to clean a septic tank, much less decide internet policy.

You have yet to offer a single piece of evidence to show why network neutrality is bad. No links, blog posts, nothing.

 

[brycejones]

The adults like myself have spoken. The courts have spoken. The intelligent lobbyists have spoken and correctly influenced congress.

The issue is dead. The ones who actually understand the issue, of which I am about the only one in this thread that does, have spoken.

The policy has been decided, correctly. You and the other children will NOT get to halt the advancement of the Internet no matter how much of a trantrum you children raise on message boards. Anybody who supports net neutrality has proven they have ZERO understanding of the issue or how the Internet works and can be summarily dismissed as an idiot.

You must be a real peach to work with in the real world. Personally I like to fire people like you who act like total tools because they consistently make poor decisions and are ineffective employees.

 

[spidey07]

I wouldn't trust you to clean a septic tank, much less decide internet policy.

You have yet to offer a single piece of evidence to show why network neutrality is bad. No links, blog posts, nothing.

I have explained the issue with direct knowledge in detail. One doesn't need links or anything else to prove their own personal knowledge.

Ask anybody else who builds and designs networks at a high level, they will tell you the same thing as I've been explaining. We literally LOL at the net neutrality supporters.

You don't rank. You don't rate. You are way out of your league when it comes to networking. Thankfully it's the people like me that are making and influencing these policy decisions and not the chicken littles.

 

[Engineer]

I have explained the issue with direct knowledge in detail.

Link to your posting of direct knowledge and the explaining of it?

 

[CitizenKain]

I have explained the issue with direct knowledge in detail. One doesn't need links or anything else to prove their own personal knowledge.

Ask anybody else who builds and designs networks at a high level, they will tell you the same thing as I've been explaining. We literally LOL at the net neutrality supporters.

You don't rank. You don't rate. You are way out of your league when it comes to networking. Thankfully it's the people like me that are making and influencing these policy decisions and not the chicken littles.

What an amazing pretend world you live in. What, are you a NOC tech and every now and then you run into the Sr Network Engineer in the breakroom?

 

[fskimospy]

I have explained the issue with direct knowledge in detail. One doesn't need links or anything else to prove their own personal knowledge.

Ask anybody else who builds and designs networks at a high level, they will tell you the same thing as I've been explaining. We literally LOL at the net neutrality supporters.

You don't rank. You don't rate. You are way out of your league when it comes to networking. Thankfully it's the people like me that are making and influencing these policy decisions and not the chicken littles.

What's even funnier is that you claim to be 'making and influencing these policy decisions' when the most recent policy decision made did the exact opposite of your position. Clearly you don't rank and you don't rate.

This ruling just said that the FCC went about enforcing net neutrality the wrong way, not that they couldn't do it. It also gave them sweeping authority to regulate other internet traffic if they wanted to.

 

[fskimospy]

What an amazing pretend world you live in. What, are you a NOC tech and every now and then you run into the Sr Network Engineer in the breakroom?

I remember when he took a picture of his gun and a Chick-fil-a sandwich when he went there to protest how mean the gays were. I also remember his epic rants about how Obama was going to lose, etc.

The guy is at least entertainingly insane. I wonder what he's like in real life.

 

[spidey07]

What an amazing pretend world you live in. What, are you a NOC tech and every now and then you run into the Sr Network Engineer in the breakroom?

LOL, I do design and consulting for service providers and enterprise data centers. The engineers are many levels beneath me as are the architects.

Would you like me to explain why doing layer3 over a VPC is a very bad idea from a layer2 and layer3 perspective?

 

[BUnit1701]

LOL, I do design and consulting for service providers and enterprise data centers. The engineers are many levels beneath me as are the architects.

Would you like me to explain why doing layer3 over a VPC is a very bad idea from a layer2 and layer3 perspective?

I love that he volunteers this completely unrelated and meaningless information, but wont go into detail on the topic.

Face facts, net neutrality does nothing to stop the TECHNOLOGICAL advancement of the internet. It is all about protecting the rights of both individual users and content providers like Netflix from the monopolistic system of ISPs we have in this country.

 

[bshole]

LOL, I do design and consulting for service providers and enterprise data centers. The engineers are many levels beneath me as are the architects.

Would you like me to explain why doing layer3 over a VPC is a very bad idea from a layer2 and layer3 perspective?

Well thats just bullshit. Engineers are beneath NOBODY. They are an order of magnitude more intelligent and useful than managers.

 

[spidey07]

I love that he volunteers this completely unrelated and meaningless information, but wont go into detail on the topic.

Face facts, net neutrality does nothing to stop the TECHNOLOGICAL advancement of the internet. It is all about protecting the rights of both individual users and content providers like Netflix from the monopolistic system of ISPs we have in this country.

Net Neutrality at it's core and goal prevents a network from adapting flows intelligently to application requirements based on path and congestion. It seeks all traffic to be treated the same which is fundamentally against where the industry is heading technology wise.

That is why it is such a terrible idea and why it is a huge blow to technological advancement of the Internet.