U.S. Appeals Court Killed Net Neutrality

[Engineer]

And lobbying! You can't forget that they have to invest lots and lots of money in their lobbying infrastructure to avoid having to provide good service!

Damn right. Have to make sure that there are laws on the books preventing cities and municipalities from building their own networks and selling for cheap. Can't have that.....you know.....competition.

Spidey, you going to go apeshit when Louisville looks to build their own 1Gbps network and sell on the cheap (as they are already investigating doing)? (you lobbying to keep that from happening?)

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Damn right. Have to make sure that there are laws on the books preventing cities and municipalities from building their own networks and selling for cheap. Can't have that.....you know.....competition.

Spidey, you going to go apeshit when Louisville looks to build their own 1Gbps network and sell on the cheap (as they are already investigating doing)? (you lobbying to keep that from happening?)

And who passes those laws and enforces those laws again? Oh wait government and the officials elected by the public. Of which said officials then go on to demand even more power to control the marketplace and extract more money with the process of lobbying. I.e. the bigger you grow government the more interests there are that would want to influence it and the more power government officials seek to consolidate for themselves along with those who supported their rise to power.

 

[Oldgamer]

And who passes those a laws and enforces those laws again? Oh wait government the officials elected by the public. Of which said officials then go on to demand even more power to control the marketplace and extract more money with the process of lobbying. I.e. the bigger you grow government the more interests there are that would want to influence and the more power government officials seek to consolidate for themselves along with those who supported their rise to power.

I would say that is some pretty good circular logic right there..lol

 

[Engineer]

And who passes those a laws and enforces those laws again? Oh wait government the officials elected by the public. Of which said officials then go on to demand even more power to control the marketplace and extract more money with the process of lobbying. I.e. the bigger you grow government the more interests there are that would want to influence and the more power government officials seek to consolidate for themselves along with those who supported their rise to power.

In other words, you agree with me that we have the best government that money (by corporations and special interests) can buy. Sounds like that should be eliminated (i.e. the lobbying process by corporations and special interests).

 

[ImpulsE69]

How long till China has more rights and freedoms than us?!

Seriously, think of it this way....

Google makes a purchase/deal with a competitor of your ISP/TelCo/MediaConglomerate of choice - that stands to hurt their bottom line? --- They can now BLOCK legally anything related to Google. (or insert your favorite porn site/ tech site here etc).

Remember the outrage over a few places doing packet shaping/limiting? Expect even more of that especially on Cable companies who are trying to roll out their own streaming services and/or losing cable customers to places like Netflix, Hulu, Amazon...now they can do all the bandwidth limiting to their hearts content.

The list goes on and on. Companies DO NOT care about consumers, and there is not nearly the "choice" that many people blind in their little bubble think there is.

As usual, the government is out of touch....

 

[spidey07]

No ISP would block legitimate/legal content. Just stop it.

 

[ImpulsE69]

No ISP would block legitimate/legal content. Just stop it.

BWAHAHHAHA

Can't tell if serious. If you are, you might want to look into the Youtube, Netflix throttling.

You also might want to look at history. You know that stuff that is everywhere you look...for now until it's blocked because it makes some CEO look bad.

Although you bring up a good point. Who determines what is "legitimate" content? You? Me? Your ISP?

 

[spidey07]

BWAHAHHAHA

Can't tell if serious. If you are, you might want to look into the Youtube, Netflix throttling.

You also might want to look at history. You know that stuff that is everywhere you look...for now until it's blocked because it makes some CEO look bad.

Yes, do tell me about youtube and netflix throttling?

What happened with that?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Do your own research. You obviously need to. Of course, that information could be blocked at any moment by your ISP if they so chose.

Don't ever assume a company won't do something for more money. You come off as someone who works for one of those companies (after going back and reading posts) so I'm not going to sit here and feed you.

 

[spidey07]

Do your own research. You obviously need to. Of course, that information could be blocked at any moment by your ISP if they so chose.

Don't ever assume a company won't do something for more money. You come off as someone who works for one of those companies (after going back and reading posts) so I'm not going to sit here and feed you.

Tell me when content was blocked and what the end result was?

Clue for you. It's happened less than you can count on your fingers and was quickly stopped.

This is why I have no patience for net neutral idiots. No facts. No understanding of the issue.

 

[CLite]

Tell me when content was blocked and what the end result was?

Clue for you. It's happened less than you can count on your fingers and was quickly stopped.

This is why I have no patience for net neutral idiots. No facts. No understanding of the issue.

Spidey07, would you consider it reasonable for ISP's to charge content providers extra to maintain streaming at it's current speed, with the consequences of not accepting such an arrangement resulting in decreased streaming of content?

Btw, this is essentially something Verizon's lawyer specifically said the company authorized him to say they would have explored if not for net neutrality rules which are now gone.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Tell me when content was blocked and what the end result was?

Clue for you. It's happened less than you can count on your fingers and was quickly stopped.

This is why I have no patience for net neutral idiots. No facts. No understanding of the issue.

It was quickly stopped once found out about because of net neutrality (and actually there are many cases still sitting out there where the ISP's won't admit to it), Youtube being an example. But of course, keep peddling your propaganda. Someone's always got to be on the side of the corporations..oh wait, we have the government for that.

(and you don't find it ironic, you are the only poster that seems to be excited for this?) We're all idiots and you're the only one who knows the truth? *cough*

 

[spidey07]

It was quickly stopped once found out about because of net neutrality (and actually there are many cases still sitting out there where the ISP's won't admit to it), Youtube being an example. But of course, keep peddling your propaganda. Someone's always got to be on the side of the corporations..oh wait, we have the government for that.

(and you don't find it ironic, you are the only poster that seems to be excited for this?) We're all idiots and you're the only one who knows the truth? *cough*

Yes. You are all idiots who don't understand networking or how the internet works.

Sorry. You really don't.

I've got 20 plus years doing it.

You don't rank. You don't rate. I dismis you.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Yes. You are all idiots who don't understand networking or how the internet works.

Sorry. You really don't.

I've got 20 plus years doing it.

You don't rank. You don't rate. I dismis you.

LMAO keep telling yourself that. BTW, I also have 15+ years in networking (also used to work for a few Telco's so I know exactly how they operate). So keep acting like you above everyone else. *yawn*

But anyway, now you're just trolling...so whatever...off to do something fun on the internet before we recede back to AOL times.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

In other words, you agree with me that we have the best government that money (by corporations and special interests) can buy. Sounds like that should be eliminated (i.e. the lobbying process by corporations and special interests).

Giving government more power and control in society will not eliminate the lobbying process you are upset about, in fact it will further entrench it into the system.

 

[ImpulsE69]

The problem is the government is regulating the public more and giving corporations more rights when it should be the other way around.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The problem is the government is regulating the public more and giving corporations more rights when it should be the other way around.

Being that corporations and the act of incorporation is a construct of government why would that surprise you at all?

 

[Bowfinger]

Yes. You are all idiots who don't understand networking or how the internet works. ...

... cries the boy who has still fails to support his hand waving and belligerence with anything substantive. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. We still have no reason to believe you have expertise in anything except blowing smoke.

I've got 20 plus years doing it. ...

I see. Yet in that thread from 11 years ago, you're ranting about how your university network sucks, and how you can get your wares much faster at your parents:

"Tell me about it. Its re-god-damn-diculous. I mean heck back at my parent's place I can download wares at a pretty good clip, but this damn university network suxors rolally. I'm getting ready to 0wnz this place. I've already complained to the Dean of computer science and the director of Campus network systems.

"He'd better fix this crappy network or else. I demand satisfaction."
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and:

"Demand satisfaction, only through vocal action can we get these stupid, dumb idiot universities to listen to us!"
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So which time were you lying?

You don't rank. You don't rate. I dismis you.

I wonder how many irony meters you broke with that little gem.

By the way, you once again evaded his point, that the very reason the FCC has been able to keep broadband providers from abusing their duopolies is because of the FCC's regulations. Unless we win on appeal, or Congress acts quickly (hah!), those broadband providers will be free to do what they want to their competitors' traffic.

 

[JEDIYoda]

LMAO keep telling yourself that. BTW, I also have 15+ years in networking (also used to work for a few Telco's so I know exactly how they operate). So keep acting like you above everyone else. *yawn*

But anyway, now you're just trolling...so whatever...off to do something fun on the internet before we recede back to AOL times.

actually spidey is 100% correct -- you don`t have a clue what you are talking about!!

 

[CrackRabbit]

So, would this thread qualify as the first thread in the running for Ownage of the Year 2014?

 

[ImpulsE69]

actually spidey is 100% correct -- you don`t have a clue what you are talking about!!

Then please, oh wise one. Explain? I get the whole FCC did it to themselves part, but that doesn't negate the usefulness of the whole concept of keeping companies honest.

 

[ImpulsE69]

no, everybody so far has no understanding of the issue in this thread. You want to prevent the advancement of the Internet, I won't allow you to do that.

You want all your traffic treated the same, that's TERRIBLE and a horrible idea. It goes against every advancement and direction in network technology.

Damn straight I won't play well with others when your ignorance is halting the future of the Internet and technology.

Thankfully we have smart people in washington who DO understand technology and the issue from the providers. We call them lobbyists.

I think this statement sums up where MY disagreement is. We DO NOT want it treated all the same. We want uniform access regardless of who our providers are and do not want trumped up additional fees because of lack of options. We do not want an ISP/Phone company dictating what we can use on the internet and/or when we use it. We do not want them to see something as a cut into their profits and therefore block it's usage for their own monetary gain. We do not want them throttling throughput for the same said reasons.

To think that they won't if given the option is naive. Companies are about saving and making money, not spending it if they don't have to, and there is nothing telling them they HAVE to upgrade anything. Who's going to switch when there are no alternatives?

 

[Exterous]

About the only positive thing I can think of is that it may hasten Google's fiber deployment as a way to avoid higher tolls.

 

[spidey07]

I think this statement sums up where MY disagreement is. We DO NOT want it treated all the same. We want uniform access regardless of who our providers are and do not want trumped up additional fees because of lack of options. We do not want an ISP/Phone company dictating what we can use on the internet and/or when we use it. We do not want them to see something as a cut into their profits and therefore block it's usage for their own monetary gain. We do not want them throttling throughput for the same said reasons.

To think that they won't if given the option is naive. Companies are about saving and making money, not spending it if they don't have to, and there is nothing telling them they HAVE to upgrade anything. Who's going to switch when there are no alternatives?

The very foundation and this net netruality bullshit is exactly that - treat all traffic the same.

That's why I am so adamantly against it. It goes against the advancement and future of the Internet and takes us to the dark ages of networking and the Internet. Stop supporting it. Stop halting the future and progress of the Internet.

And stop with the bullshit that providers aren't upgrading. They are CONSTANTLY upgrading to keep up with demand. Traffic follows moore's law if not more so, it more than doubles every two years.

No provider is going to block anything legal, the FCC would immediately stop that and said provider would lose customers very quickly. It's not going to happen. Service providers are extremely competitive.

 

[fskimospy]

The very foundation and this net netruality bullshit is exactly that - treat all traffic the same.

That's why I am so adamantly against it. It goes against the advancement and future of the Internet and takes us to the dark ages of networking and the Internet. Stop supporting it. Stop halting the future and progress of the Internet.

And stop with the bullshit that providers aren't upgrading. They are CONSTANTLY upgrading to keep up with demand. Traffic follows moore's law if not more so, it more than doubles every two years.

No provider is going to block anything legal, the FCC would immediately stop that and said provider would lose customers very quickly. It's not going to happen. Service providers are extremely competitive.

Spidey, you should probably just back out of a thread you were just called out for blatantly lying in.

Seek help.