U.S. Announces Sanctions Against Iran

RichardE

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Another stupid move by the neo-fascists; and then the claim that Iran is a dangerous country. If you Americans citizens do nothing; it's sure to bring about a WWIII.

Fascists? Do you even know the ideological meaning behind the word or do you think your knowledgeable by quoting sensationalists reporting?

 

nageov3t

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these sanctions are ridiculous and basically do nothing other than make Iran look better / more powerful in the eyes of anti-Americans.
 

bamacre

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We need to leave Iran alone. Their fanatics are old, and their younger people will not be a problem for the US.

We need to stop trying to lead the world by force, and lead by example.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: bamacre
We need to leave Iran alone. Their fanatics are old, and their younger people will not be a problem for the US.

But who is running the show in Iran...those old fanatics, or the younger people?

 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: bamacre
We need to leave Iran alone. Their fanatics are old, and their younger people will not be a problem for the US.

But who is running the show in Iran...those old fanatics, or the younger people?

Bomb them now and the younger people will become hardline fanatics - neverending cycle
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: bamacre
We need to leave Iran alone. Their fanatics are old, and their younger people will not be a problem for the US.

But who is running the show in Iran...those old fanatics, or the younger people?

Bomb them now and the younger people will become hardline fanatics - neverending cycle

BINGO.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Another stupid move by the neo-fascists; and then the claim that Iran is a dangerous country. If you Americans citizens do nothing; it's sure to bring about a WWIII.

Fascists? Do you even know the ideological meaning behind the word or do you think your knowledgeable by quoting sensationalists reporting?

Funny how you're quiet when Pabster say it but respond when Green Bean says it.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: bamacre
We need to leave Iran alone. Their fanatics are old, and their younger people will not be a problem for the US.

But who is running the show in Iran...those old fanatics, or the younger people?

Bomb them now and the younger people will become hardline fanatics - neverending cycle

BINGO.

To expand on this. The present fanactics were the result of US/Soviet interference during the 60's and 70's.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: bamacre
We need to leave Iran alone. Their fanatics are old, and their younger people will not be a problem for the US.

But who is running the show in Iran...those old fanatics, or the younger people?

Bomb them now and the younger people will become hardline fanatics - neverending cycle

That is exact objective. Bloodsucking monsters have come to power that thrive of perpetual war. Hate is thier source of money their raison d'être.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Bomb them now and the younger people will become hardline fanatics - neverending cycle

I disagree. There will remain a core of "hardline fanatics" - young or old - no matter what happens in Iran. We must not allow them nuclear weapons, and we must be prepared to do whatever it takes.
 

Moonbeam

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The same disgusting slime that pushes for the war in Iraq will push for this, cowardly little animal minds whose huge egos are outraged by their own cowardly fear and need to kill anything that causes them to notice how afraid they are because someone makes them feel it. Terror terror terror kill kill kill, the mind of the chimpanzee unregulated and uncontrolled by developed frontal lobes.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: dahunan
Bomb them now and the younger people will become hardline fanatics - neverending cycle

I disagree. There will remain a core of "hardline fanatics" - young or old - no matter what happens in Iran. We must not allow them nuclear weapons, and we must be prepared to do whatever it takes.

Why do you think they want nukes?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: dahunan
Bomb them now and the younger people will become hardline fanatics - neverending cycle

I disagree. There will remain a core of "hardline fanatics" - young or old - no matter what happens in Iran. We must not allow them nuclear weapons, and we must be prepared to do whatever it takes.

If the principle that we must kill fanatics prevails, you will surely die.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Another stupid move by the neo-fascists; and then the claim that Iran is a dangerous country. If you Americans citizens do nothing; it's sure to bring about a WWIII.

Fascists? Do you even know the ideological meaning behind the word or do you think your knowledgeable by quoting sensationalists reporting?

Per Merriam-Webster's definition:

Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: \'fa-?shi-z?m also 'fa-?si-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921

1 (often capitalized) : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality ? J. W. Aldridge>

Political philosophy/movement/regime - Neo-conservativism - check
Exhalts nation above individual - "Your either with us or against us" - check
Stands for centralized autocratic govt - Dick Cheney's dream of a "Unitary Executive" - check
Severe economic and social regimentation - Widening gap between rich and poor - check
Forcible suppression of oppostion - "Free speech" zones, Warrantless wiretapping of political opposition groups - check

I think that you need to hit the books a little more Rich cause you surely shouldn't be mocking someone for the use of a word that you don't even know the meaning of. Clearly the Bush administration and the neo-conservative movement itself is, by definition, fascist.
 

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Our government needs to quit trying to play hero (with ulterior motives) and fix our own damn problems.
 

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Pay no mind. This is merely pre-war propaganda and paperwork being put in place to "prove" that sanctions didn't work and support the notion that military force is required. Don't worry though, when we attack Iran we will suddenly become safe and all the Constitutional transgressions will be undone because we will finally be safe from those evildoers who were gonna get us.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: bamacre
You didn't answer the question.

Yes, I did. What exactly were you looking for?

Uhh, no, you didn't.

I asked why Iran wants nukes, and you replied with the fact that they want nukes, as if I had asked IF they wanted nukes.
 

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Bush:

"We've got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel," he blathered. "So I've told people that, if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."

Sorry, but the Iranian leadership and many other unsavory figures around the world cannot be prevented from "having the knowledge" needed to build a nuclear weapon, since, the scientific and engineering information is commonly available. Unless Bush is planning on bombing there universities & schools.

Within Iran, the debate over nuclear development centers on ensuring the security of the regime against external enemies, notably including the United States, that are suspected of plotting its destruction.

Let us leave aside for a moment the Bush administration's abject failure in rallying the world for any purpose, let alone regime change or even nuclear sanity in Iran.

Six years of Bush/Cheney "toughness" has done nothing to discourage the Iranian regime, and instead has encouraged a harder line by the mullahs - who have enjoyed a vast improvement in their regional power because of the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. But the problems with Bush's approach go even deeper, because he has consistently provided the Iranians with excuses to do precisely what we and our allies want to stop them from doing.

If the United States decided to honour international treaties, where would it end?

How could the United States follow the same rules as everyone else? How then the US bomb the cities of uppity foreigners, assassinate peasant leaders and trade unionists who oppose American corporations, engineer coups against non-compliant governments, mine harbours, and tell blatant lies in the United Nations before invading and occupying the current nation which it decides is the source of all evil?

Ahmadinejad should be viewed in much the same way we view Bush - an unhinged radical leader fanning the flames of intolerance to divert attention from his own domestic and international policy shortcomings. In fact, this war of words is beneficial for both because - to some degree at least - it solidifies support for their unpopular rule by instilling fear in the populace.












 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Uhh, no, you didn't.

I asked why Iran wants nukes, and you replied with the fact that they want nukes, as if I had asked IF they wanted nukes.

Iran wants nukes for the same reason every other Islamofascist regime and group of nutjobs wants them: for the utter destruction of their enemies. I really didn't think it was necessary to point that out as it is pretty well known.