Tying Kerry to terror tests rhetorical limits

[arsbanned]

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Appearing in the Rose Garden yesterday with Iraq's interim prime minister, Ayad Allawi, Bush said Kerry's statements about Iraq "can embolden an enemy." After Kerry criticized Allawi's speech to Congress, Vice President Cheney tore into the Democratic nominee, calling him "destructive" to the effort in Iraq and the struggle against terrorism.

Earlier this month, Cheney provoked an uproar when he said that on Election Day, "if we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again, that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating" and that the United States would not respond vigorously. Cheney later said that he was not suggesting the country would be attacked if Kerry were elected. But a few days later, he said: "We've gone on the offense in the war on terror -- and the president's opponent, Senator Kerry, doesn't seem to approve."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said yesterday: "These despicable comments cross the line from partisan politics to shameless fear tactics. . . . Republicans should remember that the reason Osama bin Laden is still able to threaten the United States three years after the September 11th attacks is the utter failure of the Bush administration to catch him and destroy al Qaeda."
That sums up nicely these un-American methods the Repubs are using to keep Bush in office. The Germans used such methods to good effect in the runup to the second World war. Will America be America when Cheney, Frist, Hastert and the like are finished with it?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
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Appearing in the Rose Garden yesterday with Iraq's interim prime minister, Ayad Allawi, Bush said Kerry's statements about Iraq "can embolden an enemy." After Kerry criticized Allawi's speech to Congress, Vice President Cheney tore into the Democratic nominee, calling him "destructive" to the effort in Iraq and the struggle against terrorism.

Earlier this month, Cheney provoked an uproar when he said that on Election Day, "if we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again, that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating" and that the United States would not respond vigorously. Cheney later said that he was not suggesting the country would be attacked if Kerry were elected. But a few days later, he said: "We've gone on the offense in the war on terror -- and the president's opponent, Senator Kerry, doesn't seem to approve."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said yesterday: "These despicable comments cross the line from partisan politics to shameless fear tactics. . . . Republicans should remember that the reason Osama bin Laden is still able to threaten the United States three years after the September 11th attacks is the utter failure of the Bush administration to catch him and destroy al Qaeda."
That sums up nicely these un-American methods the Repubs are using to keep Bush in office. The Germans used such methods to good effect in the runup to the second World war. Will America be America when Cheney, Frist, Hastert and the like are finished with it?

Oh that's simple.... no.

 

[Cogman]

That report is BS, Cheney never said we would be attacked under kerrys watch, He simply said that kerry would not do anything to stop terrorists. And given his current standpoint (though it may change tommarow) I would have to agree. (sorry mods but this part belongs a little in the rathergate thread) You call Bushs Methods Unamerican for their administration to say that kerry would suck at defending the nation? Well what about some dems creating FORGED documents to try and discredit the president, Ahh thats not unamerican because it attacks someone you dont like, Correct?

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
That sums up nicely these un-American methods the Repubs are using to keep Bush in office. The Germans used such methods to good effect in the runup to the second World war. Will America be America when Cheney, Frist, Hastert and the like are finished with it?

The bigger the lie...

 

[ReiAyanami]

if you vote the wrong way
if you vote the wrong way
if you vote the wrong way

 

[Gravity]

so many penguins....

 

[arsbanned]

ell what about some dems creating FORGED documents

Link? I thought the 'cons were saying the evil genius Rove was behind the memos. Talk about flip-flopping.
Yes, Bush and Cheney are un-American. They are destroying this country.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Cogman
That report is BS, Cheney never said we would be attacked under kerrys watch, He simply said that kerry would not do anything to stop terrorists. And given his current standpoint (though it may change tommarow) I would have to agree. (sorry mods but this part belongs a little in the rathergate thread) You call Bushs Methods Unamerican for their administration to say that kerry would suck at defending the nation? Well what about some dems creating FORGED documents to try and discredit the president, Ahh thats not unamerican because it attacks someone you dont like, Correct?

The creation of those documents has not been tied to anyone, much less "some dems." The equally transparently fake Niger yellow-cake uranium documents, however, were "authenticated" by the CIA, and used as a primary basis for an offensive war against a nation with no demonstrable ties to any act of terror against the United States.

I share your concern about wanting to take measures to stop terrorists, but it seems to me we haven't taken any such measures since the spring of 2002 - all we have done is emboldened terrorists and given a huge shot in the arm to their recruiting.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Link? I thought the 'cons were saying the evil genius Rove was behind the memos. Talk about flip-flopping.

It wouldn't be the first time:

Rove's first foray into politics involved gaining entry to the office of Alan Dixon--a candidate for state treasurer in Illinois in 1970--stealing some campaign stationery and printing and distributing a fake invitation to Dixon's campaign headquarters, promising "free beer, free food, girls, and a good time." "I was nineteen and I got involved in a political prank," Rove told the Dallas Morning News in 1999. A year later, Atwater ran Rove's campaign for the presidency of the national College Republicans, and working together they defeated Terry Dolan, the Republican operative who later founded the National Conservative Political Action Committee that helped elect Ronald Reagan.

I don't put many things past Karl Rove.

 

[Corn]

Comparing Bush to the Nazi's tests rhetorical limits.

Hypocrisy seems to be the lefty's strong suit. You go girls!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Corn
Comparing Bush to the Nazi's tests rhetorical limits.

Hypocrisy seems to be the lefty's strong suit. You go girls!

Who's comparing President Bush to the Nazis? Certainly Senator Kerry isn't.

How is your post anything other than a troll?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
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Appearing in the Rose Garden yesterday with Iraq's interim prime minister, Ayad Allawi, Bush said Kerry's statements about Iraq "can embolden an enemy." After Kerry criticized Allawi's speech to Congress, Vice President Cheney tore into the Democratic nominee, calling him "destructive" to the effort in Iraq and the struggle against terrorism.

[ ... ]

Russert asked General Abizaid about this on Meet the Press this morning. General Abizaid said, "I believe that debate in our country is what our country's all about." He continued by saying that if they are successful in Afghanistan and Iraq, then there will be debate there too. He said that that will be good for those countries just as the debate here is good for America.

He made other comments about Iraq that didn't follow the Bush talking points. He is obviously out of the loop. :roll:

 

[ntdz]

how would u feel if you were a soldier in iraq/afghanistan and had john kerry saying you were a failure and you cant win? Is that the right message to send to troops in battle? Sorry, but its not, but thats all Kerry has to run on since he hasnt accomplished anything in his life.

 

[jackschmittusa]

ntdz

Only a blind fool would conclude that Kerry said that the troops are failures. He said Bush's policies are a failure. He said we won't win anything with Bush calling the shots.

I will try to help you with any of the big words if you still don't understand.

 

[jjzelinski]

Administration goes to war on false pretenses, completely miscalculates the execuation of the campaign, ends up with an enormous mess which will innevitably result in a civil war from which, potentially, a theocracy like that of Iran may emerge. The entire region is destablized and cultivates an ever growing population of redical Islamists, creating more and more animosity towards our nation which makes it ever more likely that we WILL be attacked on our soil again, all in a effort to defend ourselves from an enemy who never actually posed a threat to us to begin with. Regardless, we're stuck in the war faced with a choice of whether or not to entrust its outcome to a group of people responsible for it's retarded inception and execution.

Scenerio B:

Guy calls current admin on their miserable policy failures and wants to lesson the burden on our troops by doing everything in his power to disperse it over a much broader and more sigificant coalition force. This coalition will be assembled through good, old fasioned diplomacy, nuance, and *gasp* compromise. Sound military execution will be bolstered through sound military planning acomplished simply by listening to to the recommendations of field commanders; they aren't idealogues blinded by politics (aka Gen Shinseki.)

What is more undermining to the well being of our troops, A or B?

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Corn
Comparing Bush to the Nazi's tests rhetorical limits.

Hypocrisy seems to be the lefty's strong suit. You go girls!

Who's comparing President Bush to the Nazis? Certainly Senator Kerry isn't.

How is your post anything other than a troll?

Who's comparing President Bush to the Nazis? I never said it was Kerry now did I? How about I connect the dots for you DV, evidently you need the guidance.

The Germans used such methods to good effect in the runup to the second World war.

The above commentary was rendered in the first post of this topic. My initial reply was directed toward that individual specifically regarding that comment.

Oh, and I particularly enjoyed that (clearly off the mark) whine about my supposed trolling.......it suits you.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Corn
Comparing Bush to the Nazi's tests rhetorical limits.

Hypocrisy seems to be the lefty's strong suit. You go girls!

Who's comparing President Bush to the Nazis? Certainly Senator Kerry isn't.

How is your post anything other than a troll?

Who's comparing President Bush to the Nazis? I never said it was Kerry now did I? How about I connect the dots for you DV, evidently you need the guidance.

The Germans used such methods to good effect in the runup to the second World war.

The above commentary was rendered in the first post of this topic. My initial reply was directed toward that individual specifically regarding that comment.

Oh, and I particularly enjoyed that (clearly off the mark) whine about my supposed trolling.......it suits you.

You should have posted that in German

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Corn

Who's comparing President Bush to the Nazis? I never said it was Kerry now did I? How about I connect the dots for you DV, evidently you need the guidance.

The Germans used such methods to good effect in the runup to the second World war.

The above commentary was rendered in the first post of this topic. My initial reply was directed toward that individual specifically regarding that comment.

Oh, and I particularly enjoyed that (clearly off the mark) whine about my supposed trolling.......it suits you.

Were the comments about the Germans made by either the number one or number two most powerful person in America? If not then where on the scale would Nancy Pelosi rank?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Topic Title: Tying Kerry to terror tests rhetorical limits
Topic Summary: Leading Republicans attempt to tie Kerry to undermining war effort

Cool , the false War could use some undermining from within the Government.

 

[heartsurgeon]

of course Kerry undermines the war effort..he wants the iraq war to go badly, he prays for it.

his sister is over in Australia, an ally and she is trying to get the aussies to not support us in iraq (they are already). Kerry himself is calling our allies the coallition of the "bribed"..

meanwhile, Germany and France have declared that they will not send troops to iraq "under any circumstances" including a Kerry win!

well with Kerry p!ssing off the allies who support us now, and no one else stepping up to help, i'd call that encouraging to the terrorists.


Kerry's doing the same thing he did with Vietnam, leading the fight to lose the war "politically" at home, in order to further his political career....history (in the case of Kerry) repeats itself.

Nansy Pelosi needs to watch out, those eyeballs of her's are gonna pop right out of her skull!!

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Corn

Who's comparing President Bush to the Nazis? I never said it was Kerry now did I? How about I connect the dots for you DV, evidently you need the guidance.

The Germans used such methods to good effect in the runup to the second World war.

The above commentary was rendered in the first post of this topic. My initial reply was directed toward that individual specifically regarding that comment.

Oh, and I particularly enjoyed that (clearly off the mark) whine about my supposed trolling.......it suits you.

Were the comments about the Germans made by either the number one or number two most powerful person in America? If not then where on the scale would Nancy Pelosi rank?

Why do people here continually have to display their ignorance for all to see?

Item #1: I most certainly did not grant any approval to the Bush campaign's tactics. However, their tatics "tie" Kerry to terrorism using the thinnest of strings, if it all. This is merely the OP's own conclusion and not one I would characterize as "tying Kerry to terror".

Item B (just seeing if you're paying attention): The point of my original post was *drum roll*.........the ridiculously ironic hypocrisy of the first post in this thread.

Run along now and leave the grown up discussion to the adults........

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

meanwhile, Germany and France have declared that they will not send troops to iraq "under any circumstances" including a Kerry win!

That's fine, we just cut off the money gravy train to the SOB's.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Corn

Who's comparing President Bush to the Nazis? I never said it was Kerry now did I? How about I connect the dots for you DV, evidently you need the guidance.

The Germans used such methods to good effect in the runup to the second World war.

The above commentary was rendered in the first post of this topic. My initial reply was directed toward that individual specifically regarding that comment.

Oh, and I particularly enjoyed that (clearly off the mark) whine about my supposed trolling.......it suits you.

Were the comments about the Germans made by either the number one or number two most powerful person in America? If not then where on the scale would Nancy Pelosi rank?

Why do people here continually have to display their ignorance for all to see?

Item #1: I most certainly did not grant any approval to the Bush campaign's tactics. However, their tatics "tie" Kerry to terrorism using the thinnest of strings, if it all. This is merely the OP's own conclusion and not one I would characterize as "tying Kerry to terror".

Item B (just seeing if you're paying attention): The point of my original post was *drum roll*.........the ridiculously ironic hypocrisy of the first post in this thread.

Run along now and leave the grown up discussion to the adults........

They claim he doesn't support the troops and voted aginst giving Bush money for the troops.. (he voted for $60,000,000,000 instead of $70,000,000,000)

They claim if people vote for the Democrat then America will be struck by Terrorists
"...because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States," VP Dick Cheney

^^^ that is not the thinnest of strings little man.

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
of course Kerry undermines the war effort..he wants the iraq war to go badly, he prays for it.

HS, if you disagree with another surgeon's plan for an operation, do you pray that the surgery will go badly?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
of course Kerry undermines the war effort..he wants the iraq war to go badly, he prays for it.

Talk about your rabid Kerru haters. You know that statement is total BS.

his sister is over in Australia, an ally and she is trying to get the aussies to not support us in iraq (they are already). Kerry himself is calling our allies the coallition of the "bribed".

I find that hard to believe. Got a link to that? Or is it just more Kerry bashing?

meanwhile, Germany and France have declared that they will not send troops to iraq "under any circumstances" including a Kerry win!

Or do they just think it's a no-win scenario? Does that also mean they won't help in other ways?

well with Kerry p!ssing off the allies who support us now, and no one else stepping up to help, i'd call that encouraging to the terrorists.

You haven't proven that Kerry is pissing off ouir allies and you seem to forget who the rest of the world prefers in the election.

Kerry's doing the same thing he did with Vietnam, leading the fight to lose the war "politically" at home, in order to further his political career....history (in the case of Kerry) repeats itself.

Nansy Pelosi needs to watch out, those eyeballs of her's are gonna pop right out of her skull!!

Good for Kerry!! We need to get out of this mess ASAP, not waste more lives and money. Let's have the election and get the troops home ASAP after that. In order to do that, we need more world support and a better working relationship with the UN. Kerry can provide that better then Bush.