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Two Yankees pitchers under investigation for assaulting red sox grounds crewmember.

Originally posted by: Phokus
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2003/news/story?id=1636123

Granted he shouldn't have been cheering for the red sox in their bullpen, there is no way in hell that warrants an assault by two men. F***ing thugs :disgust:
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According that what I heard - the guy was in their face all game long. In the ninth inning he started waving white towel in their face. It probably was wrong from the players to jump on the guy - but YOU DO NOT JUMP INTO THE BULLPEN! Every ball player interviewed after the game said that opposing team's ground crew member had no business in yankees bullpen.
 
Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: Phokus
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2003/news/story?id=1636123

Granted he shouldn't have been cheering for the red sox in their bullpen, there is no way in hell that warrants an assault by two men. F***ing thugs :disgust:
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According that what I heard - the guy was in their face all game long. In the ninth inning he started waving white towel in their face. It probably was wrong from the players to jump on the guy - but YOU DO NOT JUMP INTO THE BULLPEN! Every ball player interviewed after the game said that opposing team's ground crew member had no business in yankees bullpen.
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uhhh. wasn't he a grounds crew member STATIONED there??
 
Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: Phokus
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2003/news/story?id=1636123

Granted he shouldn't have been cheering for the red sox in their bullpen, there is no way in hell that warrants an assault by two men. F***ing thugs :disgust:
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According that what I heard - the guy was in their face all game long. In the ninth inning he started waving white towel in their face. It probably was wrong from the players to jump on the guy - but YOU DO NOT JUMP INTO THE BULLPEN! Every ball player interviewed after the game said that opposing team's ground crew member had no business in yankees bullpen.
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It probably was wrong? Hell if that is what happened it was Assualt and Battery. MLB should suspend both Nelson and Garcia for the rest of the Series (not that it would be much of a blow to the Yanks) I'm also thinking that both Zimmer and "Petey" should get a fine for their actions during that game. You just don't throw behind a batters head and you don't take a swing at an opposing pitcher without some consequence.

 
the article also said that Williams (ground crew member) had cleat marks on his back and arms.

i doubt he was foolish enough to start something with nelson first (physically i mean).
 
If I remember the game and the highlights correctly, the old man, Zimmer, got TOSSED to the ground for simply yelling and stating his point. I don't care what he was saying, but out of respect, you don't throw an old man on the ground... period
 
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the article also said that Williams (ground crew member) had cleat marks on his back and arms.

i doubt he was foolish enough to start something with nelson first (physically i mean).
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No doubt especially when you take into consideration that Nelson is 6'8" LOL!

 
Originally posted by: Futher
If I remember the game and the highlights correctly, the old man, Zimmer, got TOSSED to the ground for simply yelling and stating his point. I don't care what he was saying, but out of respect, you don't throw an old man on the ground... period
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Uhm, i don't know where you get your facts, but mr. preperation H CHARGED AND SWUNG at pedro.
 
Not what I saw on TV, but I could have missed something. Even still, if I'm being attacked by a short fat old man, I don't toss him to the ground. If your grandfather attacked you you'd pick him up and throw him? I doubt it.
 
You know Zimmer has a plate in his head from being beaned in the head a long time ago right?

If someone hit me in the head with a baseball and I had to get a plate in my head, I would certainly be very much against notorious headhunters like Pedro. People need to realize there is a line between sports and real life, and when you cross it, things get serious very fast. Throwing at someones head is one example of that.
 
If you're looking at the person responsible - it's Pedro. Not only did he hit Garcia, aiming at his head - he also pointed to Posada, saying that he'll hit him in the head next. Do Zimmer took exception to that (the guy spent 6 weeks in comma after being hit in the head).

As for the bullpen incident - it's hard to say. Everybody is going to stick to their point. I think what happened the crew member kept trying to provoke Nelson and in the end he succeeded. Whether they suspend and fine Nelson or not (i'm ptetty sure league will) - the was no reason for the crew member to wave towels in front of the bullpen.
 
Originally posted by: Argo
If you're looking at the person responsible - it's Pedro. Not only did he hit Garcia, aiming at his head - he also pointed to Posada, saying that he'll hit him in the head next. Do Zimmer took exception to that (the guy spent 6 weeks in comma after being hit in the head).

As for the bullpen incident - it's hard to say. Everybody is going to stick to their point. I think what happened the crew member kept trying to provoke Nelson and in the end he succeeded. Whether they suspend and fine Nelson or not (i'm ptetty sure league will) - the was no reason for the crew member to wave towels in front of the bullpen.
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Yeah the Crew Member should have proveked a Pitcher that mattered, not a hack like Nelson who the Stankees wouldn't miss if he was suspended
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Argo
If you're looking at the person responsible - it's Pedro. Not only did he hit Garcia, aiming at his head - he also pointed to Posada, saying that he'll hit him in the head next. Do Zimmer took exception to that (the guy spent 6 weeks in comma after being hit in the head).

As for the bullpen incident - it's hard to say. Everybody is going to stick to their point. I think what happened the crew member kept trying to provoke Nelson and in the end he succeeded. Whether they suspend and fine Nelson or not (i'm ptetty sure league will) - the was no reason for the crew member to wave towels in front of the bullpen.
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Yeah the Crew Member should have proveked a Pitcher that mattered, not a hack like Nelson who the Stankees wouldn't miss if he was suspended
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Nobody in Yankees bullpen mattered. Just like in Boston's 🙂
 
Originally posted by: PoPPeR
You know Zimmer has a plate in his head from being beaned in the head a long time ago right?

If someone hit me in the head with a baseball and I had to get a plate in my head, I would certainly be very much against notorious headhunters like Pedro. People need to realize there is a line between sports and real life, and when you cross it, things get serious very fast. Throwing at someones head is one example of that.
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I wonder if good ol' Zim scolded notorious headhunter Roger Clemens for his beaning of Mike Piazza square in the head in the 2000 World Series. That must have been ok because Clemens is a Yankee, right? Get all your facts before opening your piehole Junior.

 
Originally posted by: Argo
If you're looking at the person responsible - it's Pedro. Not only did he hit Garcia, aiming at his head - he also pointed to Posada, saying that he'll hit him in the head next. Do Zimmer took exception to that (the guy spent 6 weeks in comma after being hit in the head).

As for the bullpen incident - it's hard to say. Everybody is going to stick to their point. I think what happened the crew member kept trying to provoke Nelson and in the end he succeeded. Whether they suspend and fine Nelson or not (i'm ptetty sure league will) - the was no reason for the crew member to wave towels in front of the bullpen.
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Spoken like a true Yankee fan and casting the blame on everyone but themselves. Nobody on the Yankees is at fault as well?
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How about that douchebag Garcia taking out Walker at 2nd base? Walker wasn't even part of the whole thing, but Garcia was just trying to start trouble, and he succeeded, and it ended with his fatass coach being embarassed by Pedro.
 
Lol I love the mis-information here.

1. The old man started the fight. He deserved what he got.

2. The Fenway worker was stationed in the bullpen. He didn't jump in. He was cheering on his team, and the pitcher didn't like it.


Proceed.
 
Spoken like a true Yankee fan and casting the blame on everyone but themselves.
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Pff, let them keep their double standards. It's like when everyone bitched about the Sox celebrating after beating the A's. Everyone else in the league gets to celebrate, but everyone's panties get in a bunch when D Lowe slaps his leg
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get fvcking real and stop trying to put the blame on one side, Pedro wasn't the only head hunter in the game yesterday
 
Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: Phokus
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2003/news/story?id=1636123

Granted he shouldn't have been cheering for the red sox in their bullpen, there is no way in hell that warrants an assault by two men. F***ing thugs :disgust:
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According that what I heard - the guy was in their face all game long. In the ninth inning he started waving white towel in their face. It probably was wrong from the players to jump on the guy - but YOU DO NOT JUMP INTO THE BULLPEN! Every ball player interviewed after the game said that opposing team's ground crew member had no business in yankees bullpen.
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According to the two police officers that were there and actually saw what happened, have reportedly backed up the grounds keepers story, which means the Yankees players are lieing out their asses(nothing new).
 
You know Zimmer has a plate in his head from being beaned in the head a long time ago right?
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Yeah, before they starting wearing helmets!


the was no reason for the crew member to wave towels in front of the bullpen.
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He was waving his towel, but not in front of their faces. Two security officers back his story up.

Every ball player interviewed after the game said that opposing team's ground crew member had no business in yankees bullpen.
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He was stationed there.



Not what I saw on TV, but I could have missed something. Even still, if I'm being attacked by a short fat old man, I don't toss him to the ground. If your grandfather attacked you you'd pick him up and throw him? I doubt it.
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He took a swing at him, replays showed that. and I dont care who you are, if you are a crazy fat bald man charging me swinging I'd do the exact same thing. He could have done much worse-put another plate in that retard's head.
 
Originally posted by: LedZeppelin
Originally posted by: PoPPeR You know Zimmer has a plate in his head from being beaned in the head a long time ago right? If someone hit me in the head with a baseball and I had to get a plate in my head, I would certainly be very much against notorious headhunters like Pedro. People need to realize there is a line between sports and real life, and when you cross it, things get serious very fast. Throwing at someones head is one example of that.
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I wonder if good ol' Zim scolded notorious headhunter Roger Clemens for his beaning of Mike Piazza square in the head in the 2000 World Series. That must have been ok because Clemens is a Yankee, right? Get all your facts before opening your piehole Junior.
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Was I defending Roger Clemens? Yeah Roger Clemens is an avid headhunter as well, I don't know if Zimmer scolded him or whatever. I didn't display any facts that were untrue, so YOU learn to read what is there before opening your pie hole. I'm not defending head hunter's, yankees, or Don Zimmer. I was stating that Zimmer has a plate in his head (who cares if they didn't wear helmets, a plate in the head is a plate in the head) and that he's probably against ANYONE who throws at someone's head. If a drunk driver runs their car into mine and I have permanent injuries, do you think I'm going to defend a family member that drives drunk and paralyzes someone else? You assume too much, grandpa

 
Originally posted by: Futher
Not what I saw on TV, but I could have missed something. Even still, if I'm being attacked by a short fat old man, I don't toss him to the ground. If your grandfather attacked you you'd pick him up and throw him? I doubt it.
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where did pedro PICK HIM UP?? he grabbed for him and pushed him down.

it was a melee. he may not have even intended to do exactly that, he just reacted instinctively.
 
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Futher
Not what I saw on TV, but I could have missed something. Even still, if I'm being attacked by a short fat old man, I don't toss him to the ground. If your grandfather attacked you you'd pick him up and throw him? I doubt it.
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where did pedro PICK HIM UP?? he grabbed for him and pushed him down.

it was a melee. he may not have even intended to do exactly that, he just reacted instinctively.
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Reports say that zim also threw a left hook at pedro, so i think pedro showed INCREDIBLE restraint in just throwing the gerbil to the ground.
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Futher
Not what I saw on TV, but I could have missed something. Even still, if I'm being attacked by a short fat old man, I don't toss him to the ground. If your grandfather attacked you you'd pick him up and throw him? I doubt it.
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where did pedro PICK HIM UP?? he grabbed for him and pushed him down.

it was a melee. he may not have even intended to do exactly that, he just reacted instinctively.
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Reports say that zim also threw a left hook at pedro, so i think pedro showed INCREDIBLE restraint in just throwing the gerbil to the ground.
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agreed.

as i said. i saw the incident and saw about 10 different replays of it.

someone comes running at you what's your first instinct, it's to put your hands up, if you say it isn't your lying.

that's what pedro did, unfortunately zim is short so pedros hands go OVER zims head, then pedro locks them behind zims head and throws him down. it was a VERY VERY natural motion. i can't see how anyone could read that as other than PURELY defensive reaction.
 
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