Two Tier Justice System Emerges?

[Sacrilege]

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/04/20/gop-lawmakers-switch-bombing-suspect-to-military-custody/

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.fd531a9c61464bbdb1da8a3f76236b36.2c1

Four Republican lawmakers called Saturday for the Boston Marathon bombing suspect to be transferred to military custody, rather than face trial in federal court.

Some Republican lawmakers have gone a step further, arguing that Tsarnaev, an ethnic Chechen who lived in the United States for a decade and reportedly became a citizen last year, should be declared an "enemy combatant,"

There are calls to declare the Bostom bombing suspect an enemy combatant, and lose some Constitutional protections. The rational being that he may have ties to foreign Muslim militants.

I guarantee if the bombers were White or Black Christians, or Japanese psychos, there would be no calls to declare them enemy combatants. Does the discrepancy mean that US Muslims are in effect second class citizens?

 

[schneiderguy]

He is a US citizen and should have a trial by jury in a regular court.

I guarantee if the bombers were White or Black Christians, or Japanese psychos, there would be no calls to declare them enemy combatants.

You do?

Have you forgotten how this country stripped innocent Japanese and German citizens of their rights during WWII?

Moral of the story: scared people do bad things. I know you wanted it to be "Republicans hate Muslims", sorry.

 

[nehalem256]

Assuming he is a US citizen I would say he should be tried in the US court system. If he has ties to extremist Muslim groups it would seem the correct answer would be to try him as a traitor not an enemy combatant.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Guaranteed due process can only be in a civilized society. The ruling class would like nothing more than to have your complacency in subjugating yourselves. Here put these on....

 

[boomerang]

The Republicans are taking a stance ahead of any decision by Dear Leader and his ragtag group of Marxists, malcontents and cross-dressers. It's to be applauded. Take a firm stance now and the compromise might actually result in a conviction 10 years from now. Capitulate right out of the gate and we'd end up with him deported back to his home country with a monthly check from our government for life for his troubles.

 

[IronWing]

The Republicans are taking a stance ahead of any decision by Dear Leader and his ragtag group of Marxists, malcontents and cross-dressers. It's to be applauded. Take a firm stance now and the compromise might actually result in a conviction 10 years from now. Capitulate right out of the gate and we'd end up with him deported back to his home country with a monthly check from our government for life for his troubles.

He is a US citizen; this is his home country. As for the rest of your post... you're weird.

 

[Anarchist420]

Why the hell isn't MA trying him?

 

[NoStateofMind]

You wanna see who really is second class? How about anyone is not government

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGpWdRQI6zw

That is but one small example.

 

[IronWing]

Why the hell isn't MA trying him?

Massachusetts will likely give the Feds the first crack at him and, based on the outcome, decide if they want to try him as well. If the Feds get a death penalty conviction or life w/o parole then the state may not bother with the expense of a state murder trial.

 

[SheHateMe]

Interesting that they are trying to throw his constitutional rights out of the window so they can do whatever they want to him.

He should get a trial in front of a jury of his peers.

I hear he isn't even going to get Mirandized. They are definitely going to take him straight to the torture chamber.

 

[davmat787]

You wanna see who really is second class? How about anyone is not government

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGpWdRQI6zw

That is but one small example.

I am not familiar with this story, or if the video is even the latest. BUT, it is a sad state of affairs that the cop seen kicking a cuffed woman on the ground can't be fired without going through a bunch of hoops first.

I like how the other cops just watch too, gotta keep that thin blue line in tact.

Back on topic, he should not lose any due process or other constitutional rights normally afforded to a citizen. Like it or not, he is a legal citizen. If you want to change how this is handled in the future, pass laws that will allow you to do so.

 

[Jaskalas]

Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you...

 

[NoStateofMind]

Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you...

Thats only meant for those under the ruling class. Government is exempt.

 

[Wreckem]

Let me get this right. The same Republicans that bashed and opposed Obama's extrajudicial drone killing of a US Citizen abroad who was working with terrorists abroad, want to transfer an American citizen to military tribunals. Military has no jurisdiction and should tell the GOP to fuck off.

Anyone committing an act on US soil and was caught in the US has rights to US courts. PERIOD.

The argument for not giving him due process in US courts in this case is far more tenuous than the extrajudicial killing of a US citizen terrorist abroad.

 

[Phokus]

We've always had a two-tier justice system: One for the rich, one for the poor. One for whites, another for blacks and other minorities.

 

[Wreckem]

I am not familiar with this story, or if the video is even the latest. BUT, it is a sad state of affairs that the cop seen kicking a cuffed woman on the ground can't be fired without going through a bunch of hoops first.

I like how the other cops just watch too, gotta keep that thin blue line in tact.

Back on topic, he should not lose any due process or other constitutional rights normally afforded to a citizen. Like it or not, he is a legal citizen. If you want to change how this is handled in the future, pass laws that will allow you to do so.

Even if he wasn't a legal citizen, in this instance he would still have constitutional rights to due process in US courts. There is no valid legal argument supporting what these Republican are wanting to do. Bush's military tribunals for those captured abroad are stretches of legal precedent at best and blatantly against the constitution and treaties at worst.

 

[Wreckem]

Why the hell isn't MA trying him?

Three main reasons.

1. Hes committed federal crimes
2. MA doesn't have the SuperMax facilities the Feds have
3. MA doesn't have the Death Penalty and the Feds do

 

[waggy]

sure there is.

there is one for the rich and government and one for everyone else.

 

[BoomerD]

I've seen lots of calls (on other boards) to strip him of his citizenship and turn him over for military trial.

As much as I don't like what he did, he's a US citizen and thus, entitled to all the same legal and civil rights as any US citizen.

IMO, we don't want to start down the slippery slope of revoking US citizenship when a person commits a crime, no matter how heinous.

 

[Wreckem]

I've seen lots of calls (on other boards) to strip him of his citizenship and turn him over for military trial.

As much as I don't like what he did, he's a US citizen and thus, entitled to all the same legal and civil rights as any US citizen.

IMO, we don't want to start down the slippery slope of revoking US citizenship when a person commits a crime, no matter how heinous.

There is a process for denaturlization. Its highly controversial and rarely used unless its for falsification of documents. However, even if he was denaturalized that does NOT change the fact he has the constitutional right of due process of law and access to US courts.

There is no legal basis to give him to the military. Even the mental gymnasts in the Bush DOJ couldn't come up with a valid legal argument to try someone caught on US soil by military tribunal. There is a reason why Bush had the shoe bomber tried in US Federal Court. There is a reason why everyone except Hansen has been given access to Federal Courts, its because its required by the constitution. The constitution requires someone to be tried in criminal courts if they are CAUGHT in the US. Hansen is only in the military system because he was in the military.

 

[thraashman]

The Republicans are taking a stance ahead of any decision by Dear Leader and his ragtag group of Marxists, malcontents and cross-dressers. It's to be applauded. Take a firm stance now and the compromise might actually result in a conviction 10 years from now. Capitulate right out of the gate and we'd end up with him deported back to his home country with a monthly check from our government for life for his troubles.

I know it's 4/20 and all, but man you need to lay off the drugs for a bit.

 

[Nebor]

We've always had a two-tier justice system: One for the rich, one for the poor. One for whites, another for blacks and other minorities.

Yeah it's a pretty good deal (for some of us.)

 

[nehalem256]

There is a process for denaturlization. Its highly controversial and rarely used unless its for falsification of documents. However, even if he was denaturalized that does NOT change the fact he has the constitutional right of due process of law and access to US courts.

There is no legal basis to give him to the military. Even the mental gymnasts in the Bush DOJ couldn't come up with a valid legal argument to try someone caught on US soil by military tribunal. There is a reason why Bush had the shoe bomber tried in US Federal Court. There is a reason why everyone except Hansen has been given access to Federal Courts, its because its required by the constitution. The constitution requires someone to be tried in criminal courts if they are CAUGHT in the US. Hansen is only in the military system because he was in the military.

Well if someone comes in the country illegally it is pretty easy. I mean if we had caught some british soldiers during the war of 1812 I don't think constitutional rights would apply to them as they were illegal foreign invaders.

I guess if there was falsification of documents the same logic would apply to people who entered "legally".

 

[Doppel]

Scum. This country has a very mature court system for civilians and he ought to be a part of it. They wipe their asses with its laws when their blood lust overrules the proper process. If people are given over to some streamlined system outside of the purview of due process at the whim of crowd rule the rigors of justice will weaken.

 

[Oldgamer]

Pissing on his rights is pissing on our rights. The guy needs to have his miranda rights read and tried in a regular civilian court. Its a slippery slope we go down if we start pushing to side step our normal due process of laws and the court system.