Two dead, two wounded in gun shop argument

[Zaap]

Dumbest attempt at an issue to call for gun control ever.


http://www.fox5dc.com/news/1475141-story

^ OMG! I know what the issue is there. It's that those deadly weapons called cars are legal and there are dealerships where people sell them!

 

[dank69]

Yet you believe it is perfectly plausible that 4 people did not realize there was a different way to settle to a dispute over $25 dollars than by killing each other. Too stupid to be able to handle guns, but toothpaste usage is perfectly safe for literally everybody.

That kind of logic will never cease to amaze me.

Where did I say anything about guns?

 

[EduCat]

Instead of banning guns I'll address each of those individually.

Mental health issues - investigate lead, flouride, water additives, drug prescriptions, mental health board overseeing all mental health patients that are under doctor care. It is far too important of an issue to leave a distressed individual to just one doctor without oversight.

Anger issues - legalize prostitution, legalize marijuana, public awareness campaigns for anger management hotlines

Drunks - ban alchohol.

lmao all this work so we can all walk around with guns peacefully!

derp derp derp!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

lmao all this work so we can all walk around with guns peacefully!

derp derp derp!

The Czech Republic allows people to walk around guns and things are OK there. Switzerland until recently allowed people to keep their ammo at home with their government-issued gun, no major gun violence issues there. Maybe guns aren't the only variable at play?

 

[EduCat]

The Czech Republic allows people to walk around guns and things are OK there. Switzerland until recently allowed people to keep their ammo at home with their government-issued gun, no major gun violence issues there. Maybe guns aren't the only variable at play?

Well obviously guns aren't the only variable in the equation. If there were no other variables why even need guns? The Czech Republic and Switzerland LOL mmm ok, not sure how to respond to that one. You're saying the difference between the USA and the Czech Republic is what exactly? Fluoride in the water? Beer? We should probably get some universal healthcare and make damn sure we create opportunity for every one of our citizens as well like those countries eh?

But please do elaborate on those other variables.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm saying the Czech Republic has shall-issue concealed carry, and shooting in self-defense there is legal (as long as alcohol isn't involved iirc and other exceptions like that). Despite that, they have a very low homicide rate (one of the lowest in Europe). Maybe we should look first at where gun violence is worst in the United States, that being among black males aged 16-24 who commit and are victimized by roughly half of the entire nation's gun violence. Legalize and regulate drugs broadly like Portugal did, remove a lot of financial incentive behind gangs in America as well as part of the reason single-motherhood is so much more prevalent in those communities. Overhaul the worst schools, have a constant police presence if necessary, removing violent students immediately.

Take care of that, then maybe look at alcohol abuse and domestic violence next. Drunk idiots killing each other at or outside of bars is another common reason behind gun violence in the USA. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to blood alcohol limits for firearm operation (although I'd personally rather see much more strict punishment for people that show violent behavior while intoxicated in general).

I think the prostitution point mentioned that momeNt brought up could be a valid one too. Men do crazy shit when they're horny, and off the top of my head I remember reading that during a time when Rhode Island had legal prostitution via a loophole, their rate of rape actually decreased by quite a bit. I'm not sure how well that translates over when it comes to gun violence against women, but I also know that lack of sex is a risk factor for suicide among men, at least, and certainly there have been a few notorious spree killings spurred by desperate sexless men (noting of course that spree killings are a small and insignificant portion of total gun violence).

 

[momeNt]

lmao all this work so we can all walk around with guns peacefully!

derp derp derp!

No. Not so we can walk around with guns peacefully. So we can be a peaceful people.

Guns are not the only instrument of violence. There are other weapons that are used, I am advocating simple measures so that we may become a more peaceful people.

The husband who beats his wife because of his anger issues, you'd like for him to continue to do that, but god forbid he has a gun right? The kid drinking lead, as long as he doesn't have a gun it's okay that he has diminished IQ and is more likely to be lead to crime. That is all okay as long as they don't have guns!

Derp to you good sir, derp to you.

 

[momeNt]

Well obviously guns aren't the only variable in the equation. If there were no other variables why even need guns? The Czech Republic and Switzerland LOL mmm ok, not sure how to respond to that one. You're saying the difference between the USA and the Czech Republic is what exactly? Fluoride in the water? Beer? We should probably get some universal healthcare and make damn sure we create opportunity for every one of our citizens as well like those countries eh?

But please do elaborate on those other variables.

Maybe you should? You're the one targeting something specific as a solution to the violence?

 

[Jaskalas]

Dumbest attempt at an issue to call for gun control ever.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/1475141-story

^ OMG! I know what the issue is there. It's that those deadly weapons called cars are legal and there are dealerships where people sell them!

So it's okay to live like the wild west, so long as people also die of other causes? Is Ebola cool because it's in good company with the flu? Maybe we try to treat all things within our control. Vehicles will be automated soon enough.

So what about guns? NRA position is to arm everyone.
Is that a country you want to live in?
You wanted to be in that gun store that day? If you have it your way, you'll get such opportunities. For yourself, and your family.

 

[bozack]

That's not how it works. California has had mandatory background checks for ALL gun transfers for decades. You and the person you are selling your gun to have to meet at a licensed gun dealer, the dealer holds the gun and runs the background check for a fee and then once the background check comes back clear the person can come pick up his gun.

in California, there is talk if you haven't heard of it around taking this approach nationally and in another thread my question was how this would be accomplished and at what cost.

I am rather surprised Cali dealers would want to be a part of this due to liability, but in looking online it appears there are fees associated with the transaction which go to the dealer.

And it looks from what I can gather if the buyer fails the background check the seller has to eat the fees if they pay them but the standard is for the buyer pays the fees.

 

[Spungo]

lol. It's probably just water with some dissolved calcium (assuming it contains anything at all). Fluoride binds to calcium. That's actually the reason it stains teeth. Does this color look familiar?

My favorite is when people connect the fluoride conspiracy to the SSRI conspiracy. Here's fluoxetine, a drug I've been taking with great success for several years:

3 fluorine atoms. People (idiots) assume those fluorines will magically drift away to form fluoride even though this kind of dissociation would be so extremely endothermic that it's as absurd as thinking vegetable oil in my cupboard will spontaneously explode. If halogens are known for anything, it's the fact that they do not dissociate from carbon. "Halon" gas is used to extinguish fires for this reason.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Good thing they guys were armed. Otherwise this could have ended in a brutal fistfight with bruised ego's to go around.

 

[OverVolt]

lol. It's probably just water with some dissolved calcium (assuming it contains anything at all). Fluoride binds to calcium. That's actually the reason it stains teeth. Does this color look familiar?

My favorite is when people connect the fluoride conspiracy to the SSRI conspiracy. Here's fluoxetine, a drug I've been taking with great success for several years:

3 fluorine atoms. People (idiots) assume those fluorines will magically drift away to form fluoride even though this kind of dissociation would be so extremely endothermic that it's as absurd as thinking vegetable oil in my cupboard will spontaneously explode. If halogens are known for anything, it's the fact that they do not dissociate from carbon. "Halon" gas is used to extinguish fires for this reason.

Well actually I would imagine that it causes neuron damage the same way fluorine causes bone damage. Flourosis of your teeth also happens to your bones if you ingest alot. Flouride increases the risk of bone cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20377614

So when I read that I really just nod in agreement. Yup...

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Well actually I would imagine that it causes neuron damage the same way fluorine causes bone damage. Flourosis of your teeth also happens to your bones if you ingest alot. Flouride increases the risk of bone cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20377614

So when I read that I really just nod in agreement. Yup... high dose long term causes damage which is why people on SSRI's eventually turn into morons who can't think. My opinion.

That doesn't mean the fluorine atoms in particular are responsible for that effect, and regardless your study appears to be looking more at neuronal growth (a risk for children with developing brains, not so much for adults).

 

[OverVolt]

That doesn't mean the fluorine atoms in particular are responsible for that effect, and regardless your study appears to be looking more at neuronal growth (a risk for children with developing brains, not so much for adults).

Like if you take it for 10 years you'll never have any brain damage that needs repair.

 

[kage69]

Gun store clerks open carry. You've got to be kidding me. They also have all your personal info at that point.

Yeah this is beyond messed up, there has to be more to it than just the standard transfer fee.

Bullying involved? PTSD? Maybe someone felt humiliated in front of their son and went apeshit?

 

[Spungo]

Bullying involved? PTSD? Maybe someone felt humiliated in front of their son and went apeshit?

Maybe he was triggered by the word bossy

Well actually I would imagine that it causes neuron damage the same way fluorine causes bone damage.

And how did you come to that conclusion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrafluoromethane (the simplest carbon-fluorine molecule)

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Tetrafluoromethane, like other fluorocarbons, is very stable due to the strength of its carbon–fluorine bonds. The bonds in tetrafluoromethane have a bonding energy of 515 kJ⋅mol−1. As a result, it is inert to acids and hydroxides. However, it reacts explosively with alkali metals.

For the longest time, we assumed halocarbons were the greatest thing since sliced bread because they are not flammable or acutely toxic. Then we discovered things like they destroy ozone in the stratosphere, they're generally strong greenhouse gases, and the stability means they can't easily be removed from the atmosphere through any natural process. If they lack polarity, they also tend to bioaccumulate. DDT was a marvelous halocarbon because you can eat it and nothing bad happens, and then we realized large doses of it really screwed up the food chain over long periods of time. As a completely nonpolar molecule, there is no way to remove DDT from the body.

Fortunately, none of those problems apply to fluoxetine or any other antidepressant. There's an amine group on the left side, and there's an oxygen between the phenyl groups. It's polar enough that water can remove it from the body, much like vitamin C can be removed using water. Comparing fluoxetine to DDT is like comparing toluene to benzene. Toluene and benzene are almost the same thing, but toluene is much safer because the body can oxidize it, make it polar, and remove it from the body using water.

If the molecule itself does cause any direct damage, it would be minimal. The more likely cause of damage would be the fact that fluoxetine is a stimulant. It increases brain metabolism, and therefore it increases the rate of garbage creation. Pretty much all stimulant drugs cause some degree of damage, and this effect is relatively well understood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excitotoxicity