Two dead, two wounded in gun shop argument

[momeNt]

On the subject of guns, NRA says "arm everybody".
This is a case study of that. If you simply arm everyone then it'll be the wild west with retarded people shooting each other over $25.
There is serious mental illness and anger issues out there. Drunks too. Do we really want guns applied to all those situations?

Instead of banning guns I'll address each of those individually.

Mental health issues - investigate lead, flouride, water additives, drug prescriptions, mental health board overseeing all mental health patients that are under doctor care. It is far too important of an issue to leave a distressed individual to just one doctor without oversight.

Anger issues - legalize prostitution, legalize marijuana, public awareness campaigns for anger management hotlines

Drunks - ban alchohol.

 

[shortylickens]

Gun store clerks open carry. You've got to be kidding me. They also have all your personal info at that point.

These were not smart people. These were angry people.

Sometimes I think there needs to be an anger profile performed by a doctor before you can get a firearm.
But I dont know how that would work.

 

[master_shake_]

random acts of senseless killing for 25 dollars???

wow.

amazing.

at least buford tannen shot the doc in the back over 80 dollars.

 

[dank69]

Instead of banning guns I'll address each of those individually.

Mental health issues - investigate lead, flouride, water additives, drug prescriptions, mental health board overseeing all mental health patients that are under doctor care. It is far too important of an issue to leave a distressed individual to just one doctor without oversight.

Anger issues - legalize prostitution, legalize marijuana, public awareness campaigns for anger management hotlines

Drunks - ban alchohol.

Your Alex Jones fetish is showing.

 

[momeNt]

Your Alex Jones fetish is showing.

Never have listened or watched any of his content. All I know about him was he was a 9/11 inside job whacko.

Which part of my post would make you believe I follow or listen to him?

 

[Nebor]

When the .gov and people like you give theirs up first.

That's ridiculous. Who would ensure that everyone else turned in their guns? The government has a rightful monopoly on force.

 

[momeNt]

That's ridiculous. Who would ensure that everyone else turned in their guns? The government has a rightful monopoly on force.

That's actually a pretty good point.

In sports the only person with the whistle is the referee. That's pretty much like a gun in this case.

And when you really think about it. 250+million Americans could take over the government if it was being abusive with OR WITHOUT guns. Just like that 300lb lineman could body slam the ref if he didn't agree with the call. The sole possession of the whistle (or arms) of the referee / government, doesn't protect THEM at all, it protects everybody else.

 

[dank69]

Never have listened or watched any of his content. All I know about him was he was a 9/11 inside job whacko.

Which part of my post would make you believe I follow or listen to him?

 

[momeNt]

Flouride may not harm adults, but it has been proven to affect children. This is why you are not supposed to give your children flouride toothpaste until a certain age.

Do you discredit everything you hear based solely on the source? Or do you dive a little deeper into the content?

 

[Moonbeam]

Had this been a sword shop, I think I could explain it.

 

[bozack]

If this occurs in a gun store do we really want private citizens having to run background checks and then break the news to potential buyers...

 

[soundforbjt]

If this occurs in a gun store do we really want private citizens having to run background checks and then break the news to potential buyers...

They won't have the gun yet...

 

[bozack]

They won't have the gun yet...

Chances are they will have others.....

 

[Indus]

Man my car dealer ripped me off by charging me $130 to find out an error code.

I wanted to kill him over $130 but didn't.. I just won't go back there again.

Must be something in the water in Mississippi.

 

[zinfamous]

Obviously a third party with guns would be the answer in this scenario.

but only if there is an armed 4th party, say passing by on the street as the argument inside escalates, to de-escalate if the armed 3rd party acts against type.

 

[bozack]

From the article comments it looks like the 17 year old son was the one to shoot first in the store and also seemingly one of the ones who passed away.

 

[Blanky]

And married people have stabbed each other over what's on TV. Doesn't matter at all this involved guns IMO.

 

[dank69]

Flouride may not harm adults, but it has been proven to affect children. This is why you are not supposed to give your children flouride toothpaste until a certain age.

Do you discredit everything you hear based solely on the source? Or do you dive a little deeper into the content?

You aren't supposed to give children toothpaste because they don't know not to swallow it. Fluoride is poison, everyone knows this. The amount you ingest is what matters. The amount in water is safe.

 

[momeNt]

You aren't supposed to give children toothpaste because they don't know not to swallow it. Fluoride is poison, everyone knows this. The amount you ingest is what matters. The amount in water is safe.

So basically it's entirely up to the parent and knowing what they are "supposed" to do in regards to whether or not they poison their children and cause future criminal behavior?

Pretty sound argument there. Sounds like we need maybe something a little more than "fine print" on that. You propose instead to get rid of the guns because you believe in parents unfettered right to poison children.

Perhaps have some sort of fluoride license that parents undertake, or a fluoride release that actually requires the child to exhibit proper brushing habits before the parent is allowed to have fluoride toothpaste in the house. And don't tell me that that is ridiculous. You probably would agree that a child shouldn't be allowed in a school without proper vaccination paperwork, so the same infrastructure can be used to police fluoride exposure in children.

 

[dank69]

So basically it's entirely up to the parent and knowing what they are "supposed" to do in regards to whether or not they poison their children and cause future criminal behavior?

Pretty sound argument there. Sounds like we need maybe something a little more than "fine print" on that. You propose instead to get rid of the guns because you believe in parents unfettered right to poison children.

Perhaps have some sort of fluoride license that parents undertake, or a fluoride release that actually requires the child to exhibit proper brushing habits before the parent is allowed to have fluoride toothpaste in the house. And don't tell me that that is ridiculous. You probably would agree that a child shouldn't be allowed in a school without proper vaccination paperwork, so the same infrastructure can be used to police fluoride exposure in children.

Everyone knows not to swallow toothpaste. Everyone.

 

[momeNt]

Everyone knows not to swallow toothpaste. Everyone.

Yet you believe it is perfectly plausible that 4 people did not realize there was a different way to settle to a dispute over $25 dollars than by killing each other. Too stupid to be able to handle guns, but toothpaste usage is perfectly safe for literally everybody.

That kind of logic will never cease to amaze me.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

momeNt, just drop the fluoride thing and I think the other points in your post are still valid to varying degrees. Fluoride has basically nothing to do with mental health though, unless you can show otherwise.

 

[momeNt]

momeNt, just drop the fluoride thing and I think the other points in your post are still valid to varying degrees. Fluoride has basically nothing to do with mental health though, unless you can show otherwise.

My main point was about lead and other known environmental toxins that diminish mental health - also I used the word "investigate".

I know I have a good argument, that's why he only chose to argue with the only questionable point. Because the rest are iron-clad.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Obviously a third party with guns would be the answer in this scenario.

So, how do you decided who to shoot in this situation?

Guns are great at escalating minor disagreements to the point of deadly violence... I'll give them that.

 

[JulesMaximus]

If this occurs in a gun store do we really want private citizens having to run background checks and then break the news to potential buyers...

That's not how it works. California has had mandatory background checks for ALL gun transfers for decades. You and the person you are selling your gun to have to meet at a licensed gun dealer, the dealer holds the gun and runs the background check for a fee and then once the background check comes back clear the person can come pick up his gun.