Two Abortion Doctors charged with murder.

[SilthDraeth]

http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-abortion-doctors-charged-murder-150817922.html

"The investigation began in August 2010 after a botched procedure at Brigham's Elkton clinic. An 18-year-old woman who was 21 weeks pregnant had her uterus ruptured and her bowel injured, and rather than call 911, Brigham and Riley drove her to a nearby hospital, where both were uncooperative and Brigham refused to give his name, according to documents filed in a previous investigation by medical regulators."

Basically, they were violating laws, and performing late term abortions.

For my own opinion, I hope they get found guilty and get prison time.

From the article, a 36 week fetus was found at the clinic... ie 9 months. Since babies are born around 9 months, some later, some earlier, it is possible to be pregnant that long and have not given birth, and so instead of C-section and giving the baby up for adoption, it was murdered.

 

[JSt0rm]

not cool.

 

[PottedMeat]

A search of the clinic after the botched abortion revealed a freezer with 35 late-term fetuses inside, including one believed to have been aborted at 36 weeks, the documents show.

what the fuck?

 

[First]

^ Seriously, WTF? That's scary as hell.

 

[DrPizza]

Childbirth on average is between 40 and 41 weeks, not "9 months." (Granted, that's only about a week's difference, but for the sake of accuracy...)

 

[HAL9000]

I hope they get life in prison.

 

[SilthDraeth]

Childbirth on average is between 40 and 41 weeks, not "9 months." (Granted, that's only about a week's difference, but for the sake of accuracy...)

True, since you count from the last menstrual cycle, it is about 40 weeks.

The 9 months is popularized by "close enough" and about 9 months from time a woman realizes she is pregnant, which is usually missing a cycle.

 

[micrometers]

not cool.

The political right will stop at nothing to impose their version of metaphysics on the rest of us.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

And extreme, gross violation of law that deserves the maximum punishment allowed.

 

[HAL9000]

The political right will stop at nothing to impose their version of metaphysics on the rest of us.

What?

 

[micrometers]

And extreme, gross violation of law that deserves the maximum punishment allowed.

What law did they break? the law was intended to punish people who kick pregnant women in the stomach. It was not intended to punish doctors who had a mishap in a legal medical procedure.

 

[lopri]

Amazing how someone can turn a clearly 'for-abortion' accident into an 'against' one. If the woman could have obtained an earlier abortion in safe and legal environment, she would not have needed to resort to some rogue out-of-the-state doctors. Check out Mr. Romney's family story:

http://www.salon.com/2011/08/08/mitt_romney_abortion_ann_keenan/singleton/

Placing undue burden on abortions will make things worse. I wish these straight males stopped talking about abortion and not being an attention seeker on the internet. But alas, that is too much to ask, I know.

 

[micrometers]

Amazing how someone can turn a clearly 'for-abortion' accident into an 'against' one. If the woman could have obtained an earlier abortion in safe and legal environment, she would not have needed to resort to some rogue out-of-the-state doctors. Check out Mr. Romney's family story:

http://www.salon.com/2011/08/08/mitt_romney_abortion_ann_keenan/singleton/

Placing undue burden on abortions will make things worse. I wish these straight males stopped talking about abortion and not being an attention seeker on the internet. But alas, that is too much to ask, I know.

to be fair, most late term abortions are done on younger mothers, who procrastinate and are not as adept at working the system and whatever bullshit the anti-abortion movement puts in their way like older more mature women can.

So it is likely that the young woman simply procrastinated and put it off.

 

[mattpegher]

Sick,
The docs at this clinic knew they were doing something wrong, so they dump a patient at the ER instead of calling for an ambulance. They were certainly trying to hide something. Although I am prochoice, I do not agree with abortions after the first trimester, except in the case of maternal life saving medical necessity. Unfortunately, with two vocal sides that are unwilling to give even a bit, this kind of thing is bound to happen. I think the prochoice movement needs to take the higher ground and support a ban on certain types and gestational age that abortion should be illegal, (without the above).

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What law did they break? the law was intended to punish people who kick pregnant women in the stomach. It was not intended to punish doctors who had a mishap in a legal medical procedure.

That's how it's been used, not necessarily intended. If the law in Maryland does not permit abortions after a fetus is deemed viable (generally considered 23 weeks) and they aborted after that they broke the law. Add the fact he was not licensed in Maryland.

Perhaps i should have said flagrant, gross end run to the law. What is really disgusting is the fact that, to get around the law, they would inject the fetus in New Jersey intentionally rendering them not viable, then travel to Maryland the next day to finish the abortion since the cutoff in Jersey is 19 weeks.

My error was assuming Maryland had late term specific abortion laws. In that regard I was wrong. Time will tell if the court deems them guilty.

And I'm pro-abortion in early stage and for medical reasons, not in cases such as this.

 

[Schadenfroh]

According to regulators, Brigham would begin abortions in New Jersey and have his patients drive themselves to Maryland to complete the procedures

They "begin" the abortion procedure and then they have them drive themselves to another state to "finish" the abortion procedure? I'm not privy to late-term abortions, but at what point during the procedure do you take a break and let them drive to another state?

rather than call 911, Brigham and Riley drove her to a nearby hospital, where both were uncooperative and Brigham refused to give his name

Like any good doctors that care for their patients...

a freezer with 35 late-term fetuses inside

How long does a clinic typically store aborted fetuses before transferring them to a lab or disposing of them?

one believed to have been aborted at 36 weeks

I'm more-or-less in the same boat as mattpegher on this one.

 

[JSt0rm]

The political right will stop at nothing to impose their version of metaphysics on the rest of us.

As a society we have created limits to abortion. You may not agree with those limits but they do exist.

 

[Patranus]

What law did they break? the law was intended to punish people who kick pregnant women in the stomach. It was not intended to punish doctors who had a mishap in a legal medical procedure.

So in one case it is a baby and the other it isn't?

 

[DCal430]

Like it or not in most states abortions are legal for any reason up to the time of birth, including 36 weeks.

 

[micrometers]

So in one case it is a baby and the other it isn't?

neither. In both cases it is part of the mother.

 

[micrometers]

As a society we have created limits to abortion. You may not agree with those limits but they do exist.

and I can also say that the restrictions are bullshit.

 

[SagaLore]

What law did they break? the law was intended to punish people who kick pregnant women in the stomach. It was not intended to punish doctors who had a mishap in a legal medical procedure.

Look it up. They are charged with murder, so this is obviously more than a medical mishap.

 

[micrometers]

Look it up. They are charged with murder, so this is obviously more than a medical mishap.

the law has never before been used to prosecute doctors.

Odds are I'm betting that there is a Republican AG in the state.

edit: nope! wrong. he's a dem.

 

[waggy]

whoa. yeah fucked up story

35 week fetus? WTF. ugh

 

[JSt0rm]

Like it or not in most states abortions are legal for any reason up to the time of birth, including 36 weeks.

Are you sure? i admit to not being up on the abortion laws but when I lived in ohio I was pretty sure you couldn't get a 3rd trimester abortion.