Two Abortion Doctors charged with murder.

[micrometers]

Kind of like an arm or a leg (except with all of the functioning organs of the thing its "a part of")?

Why do you suppose they charge people with double murder if they kill a woman that is "pregnant enough"?

Look, all I"m saying is that I too agree that something wrong happens when a man commits violence against a woman and a fetus that she is carrying dies as a result.

But fetal rights laws tend to infringe on abortion rights.

So to reconcile the two positions, I would argue that loss of a fetus could constitute "grave bodily harm" and thus lead to increased penalties, similar to how if the crime led to loss of the woman's limb.

 

[SagaLore]

the law has never before been used to prosecute doctors.

Yes, yes it has.

 

[micrometers]

Yes, yes it has.

no, the article said that it had not.

 

[DCal430]

It I doubtful the doctors will be convicted. I see no evidence these abortions were illegal. Like I said before the law allows abortions at even 40 weeks for many reason including depression over the pregnancy.

 

[mattpegher]

A bit of a side note, Did anyone else read Freakonomics, and the guys theory about the link between Roe v Wade and the decrease in crime statistics after the 1990's.

His theory is that prior to Roe v Wade there were just way too many women with unwanted children who due to neglect and societal pressures lead to an increase in criminal behavior in their children. Not the kind of thing you would accept on an individual basis but with population statistics, very concievable.

 

[micrometers]

A bit of a side note, Did anyone else read Freakonomics, and the guys theory about the link between Roe v Wade and the decrease in crime statistics after the 1990's.

His theory is that prior to Roe v Wade there were just way too many women with unwanted children who due to neglect and societal pressures lead to an increase in criminal behavior in their children. Not the kind of thing you would accept on an individual basis but with population statistics, very concievable.

yup, I referenced it in another thread. Basically, crime peaked in the early 1990's. Since most males reach "criminal" age around age 20, we're looking mostly at babies born before roe v wade. Crime dropped sharply starting in the mid 1990's, which is the post-Roe generation.

this is the main reason why I like abortion.

 

[PingSpike]

I don't really understand why some one would decide to abort at 35 weeks. I can understand why some one would get an abortion...but not at 35 weeks. You've had months to come to term with the reality and only when the fetus is viable and almost ready do you decide to abort? I can't think of a good reason to do that. Everyone already knows your pregnant so any shame (there isn't any these days anyway) has already occurred. Adoption is always an option and infants are quickly adopted since there is essentially a "shortage" of them. I'm sure you could literally decide a day before delivery and have some one adopt them right after birth.

The only reasons I can see for that are extreme laziness or cowardice.

 

[DCal430]

I don't really understand why some one would decide to abort at 35 weeks. I can understand why some one would get an abortion...but not at 35 weeks. You've had months to come to term with the reality and only when the fetus is viable and almost ready do you decide to abort? I can't think of a good reason to do that. Everyone already knows your pregnant so any shame (there isn't any these days anyway) has already occurred. Adoption is always an option and infants are quickly adopted since there is essentially a "shortage" of them. I'm sure you could literally decide a day before delivery and have some one adopt them right after birth.

The only reasons I can see for that are extreme laziness or cowardice.

There are over thousand third trimester abortions in the U.S a year, depression is the most common reason.

 

[Rainsford]

I don't really understand why some one would decide to abort at 35 weeks. I can understand why some one would get an abortion...but not at 35 weeks. You've had months to come to term with the reality and only when the fetus is viable and almost ready do you decide to abort? I can't think of a good reason to do that. Everyone already knows your pregnant so any shame (there isn't any these days anyway) has already occurred. Adoption is always an option and infants are quickly adopted since there is essentially a "shortage" of them. I'm sure you could literally decide a day before delivery and have some one adopt them right after birth.

The only reasons I can see for that are extreme laziness or cowardice.

Not everyone comes to terms with things in the same amount of time, nor is it safe to assume that viewpoints never change. Having a baby becomes more of a real concept the closer a woman is to delivery, for example.

I understand the reluctance to support abortion as an option the closer to viability a fetus becomes. But on the other hand, I feel even more reluctant about the idea that at some point we as a society tell a woman that she MUST give birth to the fetus she's carrying. I'm not a woman so I have trouble relating to the idea of pregnancy, but something about that seems REALLY creepy to me.

 

[RedChief]

I don't really understand why some one would decide to abort at 35 weeks. I can understand why some one would get an abortion...but not at 35 weeks. You've had months to come to term with the reality and only when the fetus is viable and almost ready do you decide to abort? I can't think of a good reason to do that. Everyone already knows your pregnant so any shame (there isn't any these days anyway) has already occurred. Adoption is always an option and infants are quickly adopted since there is essentially a "shortage" of them. I'm sure you could literally decide a day before delivery and have some one adopt them right after birth.

The only reasons I can see for that are extreme laziness or cowardice.

Figuring my daughter was born @ 36 weeks and she weighed almost 9lbs and had a head of hair, I don't see how abortion @ 36 weeks can be justified (outside of medical necessity).

 

[Rainsford]

Figuring my daughter was born @ 36 weeks and she weighed almost 9lbs and had a head of hair, I don't see how abortion @ 36 weeks can be justified (outside of medical necessity).

I really don't see what one thing has to do with the other unless you're arguing that the abortion debate is ONLY about the viability of the fetus.