TwinMos Speed Premiums PC3200,big performance 250-260fsb @ 2-2-2 / 3.2V-3.6V

[Toro 45]

Originally I bought and recommended the TwinMos Dual pack from Newegg because of the price and the "chance" you could get the winbond UTT AA4T chips. I did and they performed well, but now that the Speed Premiums have dropped in price I would go with them over the dual packs.

With the Speed Premium single stick packs most reports if not all I've seen are AA4T. . I just ordered a set of the Speed Premiums last night and I'll let you know how they do.

Edit: I got the Speed Premiums today, they are AA4T/44D chips and so far there doing much better than the dual pack set

Speed Premiums AA4T/44D chips

3.2Volt = 249fsb 2-2-2-8

3.3Volt = 252fsb 2-2-2-8

3.4Volt = 254fsb 2-2-2-8

I redid my cooling fan setup on the ram and got a nice improvement looks like I'll have to retest the dual pack now
Dual Pack AA4T/50D chips

3.1Volt = 218fsb 2-2-2-8

3.2Volt = 224fsb 2-2-2-8

3.3Volt = 230fsb 2-2-2-8

3.4Volt = 240fsb 2-2-2-8

Also the OCZ Value VX at Atacom are pretty much a gaurantee winbond UTT

A64 2800
DFI Lan Party UT nf3 250
80mm fan cooling them
Fortron 530W psu

 

[imported_whatever]

They will most likely not hit higher clocks with loosened latencies. You may get a couple MHz more, but the fastest setting = the fastest 2-2-2 1T setting.

 

[Toro 45]

Originally posted by: whatever
They will most likely not hit higher clocks with loosened latencies. You may get a couple MHz more, but the fastest setting = the fastest 2-2-2 1T setting.

Stay tuned

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: Toro 45

Originally posted by: whatever
They will most likely not hit higher clocks with loosened latencies. You may get a couple MHz more, but the fastest setting = the fastest 2-2-2 1T setting.

Stay tuned

you can loosen all those numbers up with little effect on performance EXCEPT the 1T. You want command rate at 1T. If you set it to 2T, you may get more mhz, but it will perform much less.

 

[chinkgai]

actually if you loosen ANY of the 2-2-2, it has a pretty big impact that requires a lot of extra mhz and not just a few to regain the lost MB/s (per memtest)

edit: also "whatever" is correct when he says utt does not like loose timings

 

[caboob]

If you wanna go higher, ya have to burn them in using memtest. I've got some Mushkin Bluelines that are also UTT and out of the box could only do 2-2-2-7 at 235 with 3.2V with thousands of errors in memtest. After 24 hours of burn in I now only get 50 errors in 24 hours. I will be slowly ramping up speed and will wash, rinse, repeat hopefully with something stable at 250.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: chinkgai
actually if you loosen ANY of the 2-2-2, it has a pretty big impact that requires a lot of extra mhz and not just a few to regain the lost MB/s (per memtest)

edit: also "whatever" is correct when he says utt does not like loose timings

this is true, A64s prefer lower timings to more memory bandwidth, obviously both is good - just push 2-2-2-1T as high as you can and then leave it at a stable level.

 

[Technonut]

I am interested in seeing the results.

I have been running these two sticks of PC3200 & PC2700 Kingston ValueRAM (Winbond BH5 & BH6) for years now, and they have been great.

470MHz @ 2-3-2-5 / Turbo @ 3.0v is pretty good IMO...

If the TwinMos pans-out, I will have to get a couple of sticks....

 

[wicktron]

Originally posted by: Technonut
I am interested in seeing the results.

I have been running these two sticks of PC3200 & PC2700 Kingston ValueRAM (Winbond BH5 & BH6) for years now, and they have been great.

470MHz @ 2-3-2-5 / Turbo @ 3.0v is pretty good IMO...

If the TwinMos pans-out, I will have to get a couple of sticks....

You can also go the route of OCZ Value VX, which also have the Winbond UTT chips.
OCZ Value VX can be found here

 

[Avalon]

That's good to hear, Toro! The Fedex man will be here any minute with mine today, and I'll have my go at it. I posted a link to a beta bios in my 90nm Sempy thread that allows up to 4v vDIMM, plus includes a couple fixes here and there. You may want to try that. I know I will be. This stuff sounds AMAZING for $108 shipped. Beats out value VX easily.

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: Avalon
That's good to hear, Toro! The Fedex man will be here any minute with mine today, and I'll have my go at it. I posted a link to a beta bios in my 90nm Sempy thread that allows up to 4v vDIMM, plus includes a couple fixes here and there. You may want to try that. I know I will be. This stuff sounds AMAZING for $108 shipped. Beats out value VX easily.

value vx = no gamble being winbond

twinmos = gamble

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: chinkgai

Originally posted by: Avalon
That's good to hear, Toro! The Fedex man will be here any minute with mine today, and I'll have my go at it. I posted a link to a beta bios in my 90nm Sempy thread that allows up to 4v vDIMM, plus includes a couple fixes here and there. You may want to try that. I know I will be. This stuff sounds AMAZING for $108 shipped. Beats out value VX easily.

value vx = no gamble being winbond

twinmos = gamble

how much of a gamble, I haven't found any posts describing duds with the twinmos

 

[Concillian]

I bought the twinMOS about two weeks ago from newegg. They are also UTT chips. I haven't heard a single person NOT get UTT for well over a month. There is a GIGANTIC thread at another set of forums (extreme I think, but don't remember off the top of my head) where they've all been buying these from newegg and getting UTTs.

Unfortunately my test board decided to corrupt its own BIOS between when I ordered and when I got them, so now I have nowhere to test them, as my other board only does 2.9v (and mine don't do 200MHz 2-2-2 with 2.9v either). So until I can find a board to hotflash my BIOS, I'm stuck with chips that "only" do 2-3-2

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: chinkgai

Originally posted by: Avalon
That's good to hear, Toro! The Fedex man will be here any minute with mine today, and I'll have my go at it. I posted a link to a beta bios in my 90nm Sempy thread that allows up to 4v vDIMM, plus includes a couple fixes here and there. You may want to try that. I know I will be. This stuff sounds AMAZING for $108 shipped. Beats out value VX easily.

value vx = no gamble being winbond

twinmos = gamble

Gambling = how you win the bigger things.
Besides, it's not much of a gamble if you do your research correctly.

 

[chinkgai]

how much of a gamble? i dont know

when i got the twinmos about three weeks ago...people at dfi were still gettin occasional duds (page 13ish or something at the dfi thread)

avalon...vx is vx...you will not find that the twinmos will oc better than the value vx...as i've had both

i've also fried a set of twinmos at 3.6v...just decided they didnt want to boot up one day

luckily this was within the warranty return period of newegg at the time

what if it wasnt? will twinmos warrant their sticks like ocz will? i cant and dont want to bet on that one.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: caboob
If you wanna go higher, ya have to burn them in using memtest. I've got some Mushkin Bluelines that are also UTT and out of the box could only do 2-2-2-7 at 235 with 3.2V with thousands of errors in memtest. After 24 hours of burn in I now only get 50 errors in 24 hours. I will be slowly ramping up speed and will wash, rinse, repeat hopefully with something stable at 250.

Wait, your ram is showing multiple errors at 235fsb and rather high voltage and you plan to raise the fsb further? I'm confused.

 

[caboob]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: caboob
If you wanna go higher, ya have to burn them in using memtest. I've got some Mushkin Bluelines that are also UTT and out of the box could only do 2-2-2-7 at 235 with 3.2V with thousands of errors in memtest. After 24 hours of burn in I now only get 50 errors in 24 hours. I will be slowly ramping up speed and will wash, rinse, repeat hopefully with something stable at 250.

Wait, your ram is showing multiple errors at 235fsb and rather high voltage and you plan to raise the fsb further? I'm confused.

What I'm illustrating is that the errors go away after extended periods of burn-in. Once they fully pass memtest, I ramp up the speed.

 

[caboob]

Originally posted by: Concillian
I bought the twinMOS about two weeks ago from newegg. They are also UTT chips. I haven't heard a single person NOT get UTT for well over a month. There is a GIGANTIC thread at another set of forums (extreme I think, but don't remember off the top of my head) where they've all been buying these from newegg and getting UTTs.

Unfortunately my test board decided to corrupt its own BIOS between when I ordered and when I got them, so now I have nowhere to test them, as my other board only does 2.9v (and mine don't do 200MHz 2-2-2 with 2.9v either). So until I can find a board to hotflash my BIOS, I'm stuck with chips that "only" do 2-3-2

In other threads at Xtreme, there are people reporting that they didnt get UTT. Me being one of them. No biggy for me that I ended up with the wrong stuff since it was cheap to begin with and could use it for my other boxes.

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: caboob
In other threads at Xtreme, there are people reporting that they didnt get UTT. Me being one of them. No biggy for me that I ended up with the wrong stuff since it was cheap to begin with and could use it for my other boxes.

see? told you guys that some people didnt get it

 

[Toro 45]

Originally posted by: Avalon
That's good to hear, Toro! The Fedex man will be here any minute with mine today, and I'll have my go at it. I posted a link to a beta bios in my 90nm Sempy thread that allows up to 4v vDIMM, plus includes a couple fixes here and there. You may want to try that. I know I will be. This stuff sounds AMAZING for $108 shipped. Beats out value VX easily.

I saw that, thanks for the link, I'm jones'n for some more voltage, I think I'll have to try the bios with the higher voltage although my psu won't go over 3.2, the extra volt should be able to squeeze out a bit more performance.

As far as the vx goes I was tempted by it but at $155.00 shipped versus $113.00 a gig shipped I didn't hesitate to gamble. If it wasn't aa4t chips I would have just used it in one of my other comps.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: chinkgai

Originally posted by: caboob
In other threads at Xtreme, there are people reporting that they didnt get UTT. Me being one of them. No biggy for me that I ended up with the wrong stuff since it was cheap to begin with and could use it for my other boxes.

see? told you guys that some people didnt get it

Why are you so determined to down gambling for possibly better components? Who here said that everyone was getting UTT with the Twinmos? Nobody. Plus, I never said TwinMOS UTT was better than VX UTT. I said the price was way better if you get a pair of UTT sticks. If you don't, no use crying over it. My pair more than likely isn't UTT, but I don't care. If it doesn't do what I want, I'll sell them and try again. Even if you fail from a gamble, fixing your gamble is still going to be about the same price as going for the sure shot.

P/N: M2G9J16A8ATT9F081CADT
MODEL #: M2G9J16A-TT

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: Avalon
Why are you so determined to down gambling for possibly better components?

Originally posted by: Avalon
I never said TwinMOS UTT was better than VX UTT.

Originally posted by: Avalon
Gambling = how you win the bigger things.

seems kinda contradicting

anyways dont get all worked up...im not talkin only to you...but to everyone since i've seen people not gettin utt

all im doing is giving out a warning and like four people get on my nuts about how they havent heard about anyone gettin non-utt blah blah and its not much of a gamble

to me, i'd rather spend the extra 30-40 bux than waste time reselling or rma'ing when i dont get utt

im sure there is someone out there that might agree with me...obviously not you so you dont have to get all pissy about it at me

i've been following these utt threads since like a month ago even before alot of people here at AT even heard about these things. i've been through like 7 or 8 sets and i'll tell you that they all perform very similarly so dont think twinmos is any better than vx or vice versa. even the mushkin perform similarly cuz i had two sets of those too.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: chinkgai

Originally posted by: Avalon
Why are you so determined to down gambling for possibly better components?

Originally posted by: Avalon
I never said TwinMOS UTT was better than VX UTT.

Originally posted by: Avalon
Gambling = how you win the bigger things.

seems kinda contradicting

anyways dont get all worked up...im not talkin only to you...but to everyone since i've seen people not gettin utt

all im doing is giving out a warning and like four people get on my nuts about how they havent heard about anyone gettin non-utt blah blah and its not much of a gamble

to me, i'd rather spend the extra 30-40 bux than waste time reselling or rma'ing when i dont get utt

im sure there is someone out there that might agree with me...obviously not you so you dont have to get all pissy about it at me

i've been following these utt threads since like a month ago even before alot of people here at AT even heard about these things. i've been through like 7 or 8 sets and i'll tell you that they all perform very similarly so dont think twinmos is any better than vx or vice versa. even the mushkin perform similarly cuz i had two sets of those too.

How are those two things contradictions?
In what way, shape or form does "I never said TwinMOS UTT was better than VX"
and "Gambling = how you win bigger things?"

You gamble, you win, and you've just got the bigger and better deal of the two.

what if it wasnt? will twinmos warrant their sticks like ocz will? i cant and dont want to bet on that one.

What if it wasn't within your warranty period?
If you take care of your equipment, you pretty much don't have to worry about that.
Were you using active cooling on your memory? 3.6v is way too much without some form of cooling, preferably a fan blowing some nice air onto those chips. It's generally been recommended that after 3.4v, you would want cooling for these puppies.

Besides, if you FRIED your memory, the manufacturer is not liable for abuse.

 

[chinkgai]

dude i said im not tryin to argue with you

yes i have active cooling thanks

lighten up man

EDIT: but while im at it, i'll answer why what you said seems contradicting even though you might not have the intention

maybe if you had said "gambling for a better deal on the same components" instead of "gambling for possibly better components"

 

[Avalon]

I was speaking of value initially, so I'm not sure why you think I meant overclocking performance.