tweaktown review GTX660Ti

[KompuKare]

Way off-base here.

This card beats the 7870 handily in very benchmark in the review. The 7850 is slower still. I agree that the 7850 is a great overclocker, but this card blows the 7850 out of the water stock.

It actually looks better for 1080P or less than the 7950 stock as well, using almost 100w less power at load, presumably (based on TDP).

Hm, 100w less. Since the 7950 uses around 135W to around 180W when massively overclocked that would mean the 660 Ti uses what? 35W? I don't think so.

Or 156.38W at HT4U.net

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

How much $ is it? Any official word?

 

[Silverforce11]

Would it just be safe to say this card competes only with the 7850 as most gamers will be using aa?

I keep wanting to say different things but i am speechless between the non aa results and watching it tank with aa enabled,still not sure what to make of this one yet.

Unless priced at 7850 msrp,it will not be a fan favorite.

Has to go for <$250, since good cooled custom 7850s can be found for low now. They really do >40% OC no sweat, a major factor when thinking of these radeons.

 

[ShintaiDK]

How much $ is it? Any official word?

Pretty sure it will be 299. Could be surprised tho.

 

[RussianSensation]

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Pretty sure it will be 299. Could be surprised tho.

I'll pass then.

 

[Rvenger]

I agree with Shintai. $299 and the further castrated 660 non TI will be $249.

 

[RussianSensation]

I agree with Shintai. $299 and the further castrated 660 non TI will be $249.

$299 is way too high for this card. Why buy a $300 card and not use AA/AF? Unless those benchmarks are not accurate, almost everyone would be better off grabbing a $310 MSI 7950 TF3 (like the one you have ).

 

[Rvenger]

http://www.macmall.com/p/PNY-Video-C...60~pdp.hiaffij


PNY GTX 660 TI PCIE 2GB GDDR 5 3.0 (VCGGTX660TXPB)

Price: $299

 

[thujone]

meh... i'll wait for a review that says something to form an actual opinion. right now this in theory looks like a bust though.

 

[Crap Daddy]

I don't know if we read the same review which of course has a poor selection of games. Apart from Metro and AvP in which HD7000 series perform better than GTX600 in all other situations the card is better than the 7950 never mind the 7870 and the favorite of the crowd here the 7850. So what is the problem? We don't know how it overclocks and what's the price.

 

[ShintaiDK]

http://www.macmall.com/p/PNY-Video-C...60~pdp.hiaffij


PNY GTX 660 TI PCIE 2GB GDDR 5 3.0 (VCGGTX660TXPB)

Price: $299

:thumbsup:

 

[Grooveriding]

http://www.macmall.com/p/PNY-Video-C...60~pdp.hiaffij


PNY GTX 660 TI PCIE 2GB GDDR 5 3.0 (VCGGTX660TXPB)

Price: $299

$300 ?! Too much.

Once this is released and other sites are reviewing, if these AA performance #s hold up, this card will get less than stellar reviews over that poor AA performance.

7850 is $250.

I think nvidia always needs one overpriced card in their lineup though Usually isn't the mid-range card though..

 

[SirPauly]

Am I missing something? But the 660ti did win some AA benches as well, some of them with x8 AA over the HD 7950.

 

[RussianSensation]

I don't know if we read the same review which of course has a poor selection of games. Apart from Metro and AvP in which HD7000 series perform better than GTX600 in all other situations the card is better than the 7950 never mind the 7870 and the favorite of the crowd here the 7850. So what is the problem?

Let's wait for a more in-depth review. Claiming Metro 2033 and AvP should somehow be excluded is no different than using HAWX2, Just Cause 2 and Far Cry 2 that have favoured NV for a long time now, especially when these cards need the performance in titles where they are slower (which happen to be Metro and AvP).

For people who don't overclock, sure the 660Ti may be a good card. But this is an enthusiast forum. Besides, all those benchmarks use a stock 7950, but 880mhz HD7950 sells for $310. Ignoring 30-40% overclocking headroom on the 7950 is odd since most all of us here overclock our cards.

Am I missing something? But the 660ti did win some AA benches as well, some of them with x8 AA over the HD 7950.

Ya it did in FC2 where 7950 was already getting 87 vs. 96 for the 660Ti and 62 vs. 70 in JC2. 880mhz HD7950 will be just as fast in those 2 games, now what about the games where GTX660Ti gets smoked? As an all-around card, it can't just win 1-2 benchmarks when the competitor is nearly as fast in them and when the extra speed is needed, its performance drops off dramatically.

And again, we already know that HD7950 overclocks to 1.1ghz and catches up to a GTX680. How can a 24 ROP, 144GB/sec, GK104 catch up to a 32 ROP / 192GB 680? Those crippled ROP and memory bandwidth will become a liability while the 7950 has both of those aspects exactly the same as the 7970 (full 32 ROPs / 384 bit bus). Put it this way, HD7950 OCed is already being recommended over GTX670s. The only reason to get the 660Ti is if one has no interest in overclocking.

 

[Crap Daddy]

Am I missing something? But the 660ti did win some AA benches as well, some of them with x8 AA over the HD 7950.

You're not missing anything. I don't know what some here have seen in that review. HD7850 is not even worth to be mentioned here.

 

[AtenRa]

Once again ill have to say it, the worst year for GPU upgrades. No way in hell $299 for that card.

 

[Hypertag]

The review is really showing performance falling off a cliff with anti-aliasing. I don't really see the appeal of this card. It is just too bandwidth limited. It goes from performing like a GTX 670 without anti-aliasing to performing like a 7850 with anti-aliasing.

 

[RussianSensation]

You're not missing anything. I don't know what some here have seen in that review. HD7850 is not even worth to be mentioned here.

Why is that? Because Metro 2033 and AvP don't count but Far Cry 2, Just Cause 2 and Mafia 2 count?

Either way, you keep ignoring the 7950. With latest drivers and games, HD7970 = GTX670 and HD7970 GE > GTX680.

I'll bet $$ that HD7950 @ 1.1-1.15ghz will lay waste to a GTX660Ti OCed with AA in modern games.

Here it is at 1.025ghz, 30% faster than a stock HD7950. Let's say you have $300-310 to spend. What are your thoughts on GTX660Ti OCed vs. HD7950 OCed?

 

[Crap Daddy]

Let's wait for a more in-depth review. Claiming Metro 2033 and AvP should somehow be excluded is no different than using HAWX2, Just Cause 2 and Far Cry 2 that have favoured NV for a long time now, especially when these cards need the performance in titles where they are slower (which happen to be Metro and AvP).

For people who don't overclock, sure the 660Ti may be a good card. But this is an enthusiast forum. Besides, all those benchmarks use a stock 7950, but 880mhz HD7950 sells for $310. Ignoring 30-40% overclocking headroom on the 7950 is odd since most all of us here overclock our cards.

I do agree, never claimed those 2 games should be excluded and you can add Crysis 2 if I remember right from the 680/670 reviews. But in ALL other games that are usually tested by reviewers I have no doubt the 660Ti will pull ahead of the 7950 until 1080p. Now, I'm sure everybody here is aware that reviews are done at stock clocks as provided by AMD and Nvidia. Based on these results there is an average score that will determine which card is faster and in what circumstances.

The fact that the 7850 overclocks like a beast and surpasses AMD's very own 7950 is a joy for the customer and a pain in the ass for the company. Same goes for the 670 overclocking and surpassing a 100$ more expensive card. But that is not what makes a card win a review against other card and if this particular 660Ti at $300 MSRP is better than the 7950 which has a suggested retail price of $349, I think it's very good.

 

[Silverforce11]

Rediculous, some of you buy $300 cards to play FC2?? TT is terrible to make judgements on GPUs because their games are all so outdated. But here, even in these outdated games we clearly see lacklustre performance with AA. Not a good trait to have for such a pricy card.

 

[RussianSensation]

But that is not what makes a card win a review against other card and if this particular 660Ti at $300 MSRP is better than the 7950 which has a suggested retail price of $349, I think it's very good.

Good reviewers will mention that you can now get $310-320 880mhz-900mhz after-market HD7950s, not reference 800mhz cards with a crappy cooler. Ignoring market pricing for HD7950 is strange just to claim a win in a review based on MSRP prices using a stock 7950 reference card that no real enthusiast (unless it's meant to be watercooled with a full cover block). If MSRP prices are no longer relevant vs. market pricing, that doesn't help consumers buy the better product if the review doesn't mention recent price drops. The review can use MSRP as a guidance and make a note of market pricing to aid the reader. This is no different than trying to claim that HD7970 GE costs $499 MSRP but can be found for < $460 on the market. We don't just blindly ignore market prices when recommending video card choices.

 

[AtenRa]

Personally, at $299 it is the worst NV card in the last 4-5 years. HD7950 at $299 is much better and still i find it overpriced.

 

[cmdrdredd]

What I see. Old games this card wins against 7950. New games this card suffers badly from memory bandwidth starvation.

Old games don't matter to me so this is a loser of a card. I want to see SLI vs Xfire though.

 

[SolMiester]

I have to say, that I have never used AA, maybe I'm just concentrating on the game too much, I dont know?
What does bug me with TT reviews, is they bunch the GPU via NV or AMD instead of listing them pro rata results...could of used some newer games too...