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Magic Carpet

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tweakboy,

Just relax and enjoy your SSD. Stop thinking about cluster sizes and what not. Eventually, you will do a clean install at some point. Until then, forget about that and do what you do best (Photoshop, CAD, whatever).
 

Blain

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You can't relax and enjoy your SSD as long as it's not running at its peak performance.
All those plug-ins can be replaced...
A fresh install is called for.
 

tweakboy

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Yes Blain I can go clean. But , why so when , Photoshop CS5 64bit launches in 2 seconds,,

My OS used to take 3 to 4 minutes to boot plus hard drive thrashing. Now it boots in 20 seconds, and my daw is working fantastic.

Later today I get my SATA 3 highpoint card. Im going to plug it into that. on sata 2 its 260mbps ,, now I hope it goes near 400mbps ... thx gl,
 

Magic Carpet

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You can't relax and enjoy your SSD as long as it's not running at its peak performance.
If you throw out that knowledge out of your head, I assure you, one can. It's a psychological thing.

If you get 80-90% functionality, don't bother improving, that's just good enough. The effort required to make it 100% perfect will usually not outweigh it. In his case, reinstalling everything and getting up to speed will probably require him to go mental. Time and effort > 10% speed gains, any day.

But , why so when , Photoshop CS5 64bit launches in 2 seconds,,

My OS used to take 3 to 4 minutes to boot plus hard drive thrashing. Now it boots in 20 seconds, and my daw is working fantastic.
Numbers speak for themselves. Don't fix, what ain't broken.
 
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nk215

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The SSD get its speed from 2 things (related to cluster size)
1) The very fast seek/access time in write and read of SSD. They perform write/read in parallel.
2) Cache in both write and read

In read: Having a smaller cluster size, you’ll get a penalty in read speed (because it’ll have to read in more clusters for the data but remember they read in parallel) but since the SATA speed is the bottle neck in the SSD read performance, you’ll may not even see the penalty in test, let alone actual usage experience.

In write: The penalty is small because of the write cache. The SSD write in chunk of 4096k bytes or 8 of your clusters. Since you always get the benefit of a write cache, so what if the SSD waits a little before commit writing to 8 different clusters on your SSD? If you don’t have cache in the SSD, then you’ll take a larger penalty in this department. In the worst case, the penalty you see is comparable to having a SSD with less parallel channels. So your 512GB is as “slow” as a 128GB SSD, that’s still smoking fast.

In the old mechanical HD, clusters are located physically close to each other to reduce seek time. A smaller cluster size means less chance of a file fitting in continuous cluster block and the head has to jump around to different HD track to read a file (fragmentation). In SSD since reading are done in parallel, there’s no fragmentation issue and therefore penalty in cluster size is significantly reduced.
 

hhhd1

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ssds have limited life span, so it would be interesting to see how does this affect its rated like,

the 2 values that matter are

AD Wear Leveling Count
CA Percentage Of The Rated Lifetime Used

you can wait few weeks and see how they are,
the ssd is supposed to have wasted 100% of its life when the "Wear Leveling Count" reach 3000

if the "Wear Leveling Count" increases by 1 daily it would mean that the ssd should lasts about 8 years
 

tweakboy

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Guys I am using photo resizer to take all my pics from now on to 1280x1024. Sorry for the big size and bothersome I did on anyone. Now, they will be that res. Thank you to my followers.

gl
 

F1shF4t

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ssds have limited life span, so it would be interesting to see how does this affect its rated like,

the 2 values that matter are

AD Wear Leveling Count
CA Percentage Of The Rated Lifetime Used

you can wait few weeks and see how they are,
the ssd is supposed to have wasted 100% of its life when the "Wear Leveling Count" reach 3000

if the "Wear Leveling Count" increases by 1 daily it would mean that the ssd should lasts about 8 years

Except in practice the SSDs will go a lot further in writes but will sacrifice data retention time. For example http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm/page194 That 64GB M4 has 19180 write cycles on it. Of course it will probably die within less than a week if you left it unplugged. I think the spec is 1 year data retention when the SSD gets to its rated write cycles.
 

mv2devnull

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What yall think...
Me thinks:
1. Open cmd (Run as Administrator)
2. diskpart
2a. select volume C
2b. filesystems
3. Show us the output

Edit: In case you still use older diskpart that lacks the "filesystems" command:
2. fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo C:
3. Show us the output
 
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Coup27

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Well I got the marvel sata 3.0 bracket pcie, put it in connected, and I get 200mbps in CDM

I went back to connected to the mobo sata 2.0 and its 260Mbps

thx
The amount of threads we've had on these add on cards proving that they are worse than a native 3Gbps port and you still went and bought one?
 

tweakboy

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I was desperate.... but ya I was getting 200mbps with card,, and 260mbps connected to mobo sata 2 .. Im just gonna live with it, its fast enough. One day I upgrade I will use sata 3. thx gl
 

Blain

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:\ it will be good enough.
that's what life's all about anyway... :| just getting by
 

Rubycon

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Get an Areca ARC1882ix-24 and then you can start adding more SSDs to the "family". :D
 

tweakboy

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Im bumped gotta use sata 2.0 speeds instead of 3.0 since my mobo doesnt have sata 3 and this pos sata 3 card I got was a joke,, giving me 200mbps where, sata 2 to mobo gives me 260mbps . Im at 512k cluster, i already found a way to change cluster size, will do soon...
 

mv2devnull

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... i already found a way to change cluster size ...
Please, explain the procedure to us (or at least give a link). There are probably others in similar situation that will benefit if they don't have to search all over the net.
 

tweakboy

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Please, explain the procedure to us (or at least give a link). There are probably others in similar situation that will benefit if they don't have to search all over the net.


I use Paragon Disk Manager Server 11

You can change cluster size without losing data. However you cant do it on C drive...

I should have not nuked my W7 after I put it on SSD ... if I had kept it I would boot up into it, and do a cluster size 4096kb , then reboot and walaa!