Tweakboy just bought a SSD. Alert!

[jhansman]

Congratulations, and welcome to the 21st century. Now, read the sticky on how best to configure your drive for Win 7 (assuming you are using a 21st century OS, and not some POS like XP). Have fun!

 

[Coup27]

Congratulations, and welcome to the 21st century. Now, read the sticky on how best to configure your drive for Win 7 (assuming you are using a 21st century OS, and not some POS like XP). Have fun!

Why is XP a POS?

 

[tweakboy]

We will expect exhaustive benchmarking test results.

Im connecting to SATA 2 port as I dont have 3.

On top of that it will be 512k , but I heard ssd does emulation of 512k. hmmm^_^

 

[tweakboy]

Good one nk215

 

[zCypher]

The smallest unit of space in a HD is called a sector which is usually consists of 512 bytes.

To better manage these sectors, sectors are combined into group call clusters or allocation units.

Every file must be stored on an integer number of cluster. For example, if your cluster is 4096 bytes and the file is 4097 bytes, the file takes up 2 cluster and the remaining space on the second cluster is wasted.

SSD write/read data in 4096 byte chunks. So it makes sens to make have a cluster size equal to a multiple of 4096. A larger cluster just results in more waste space.

nice explanation.
i second the recommendation of just doing a clean install.
most of your "data" you can just copy afterwards, and any programs that won't run without being reinstalled, well, reinstall them? They will still all exist on your old drive, so it's not like you'll lose track of what programs you had installed.

It's worth the time, if you ask me.

If you do go for the drive image, I also recommend Acronis as I've had good experience with it, and apparently it will take into considerations your concerns about the 512 vs 4096.

 

[mv2devnull]

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Now now, you are spoiling the fun. The purpose of this exercise is to make tweakboy to answer the questions so that both he and us will learn what he actually has and would be wise.

Now, tweakboy, once again. You have read and understood nk215's explanation, have you? Based on that knowledge, have you been talking about the LBA sectors of the disk or the allocation units of NTFS?

 

[Makaveli]

Why is XP a POS?

Do you really have to ask ......

 

[jhansman]

Originally Posted by Coup27 View Post
Why is XP a POS?
Do you really have to ask ......

This. Even my wife (who has little technical knowledge or proficiency, but knows up from down) figured this out when I gave her an HP netbook with Win7 64-bit with an SSD and 8GB of RAM; up til then she'd been using a 2GB rig with XP. All she could say after a couple of days was "Damn..."

 

[thelastjuju]

This. Even my wife (who has little technical knowledge or proficiency, but knows up from down) figured this out when I gave her an HP netbook with Win7 64-bit with an SSD and 8GB of RAM; up til then she'd been using a 2GB rig with XP. All she could say after a couple of days was "Damn..."

Wow.. so you go from an OLD machine, with a mere 2gb RAM, probably gunked up with years of spyware .. to a fresh install on an SSD DRIVE this time, on what is most likely faster hardware all around, and FOUR times the ram... and you attribute your gains to the OPERATING SYSTEM..?



Pretty shocking .. are you sure you're in the position to weigh in on the merits of something like an operating system?

XP will probably go down in history as one of the finest and most successful OS's of all time. Just because its older, no longer marketable and trendy, doesn't make it a "piece of shit".

 

[Makaveli]

Pretty shocking .. are you sure you're in the position to weigh in on the merits of something like an operating system?

XP will probably go down in history as one of the finest and most successful OS's of all time.

With a line like this are you sure your in a position to weigh in on the mertis of an OS yourself??

lol finest ????? :biggrin:

 

[thelastjuju]

With a line like this are you sure your in a position to weigh in on the mertis of an OS yourself??

lol finest ????? :biggrin:

suc·cess·ful/səkˈsesfəl/

Adjective:

• Accomplishing an aim or purpose: "a successful attack on the town".
• Having achieved popularity, profit, or distinction.

Yes, I'm positive XP meets that description and is among the best, and one of the most successful OS's ever released. Calling it a "POS" just reveals how little respect or appreciation you have, and that you just can't resist gloating about your elitism.

You'd have to fill me in on all the operating systems that you think were more successful, more widely used, and that were held onto for as LONG as Windows XP still is.. it absolutely dominated the market share for the past decade, and just in the last year or so has finally started to decline in usage. Its own successor, by comparison, was a total failure. If XP is a "POS" I wonder what you'd consider Vista :whiste:

I switch back from win7 to winXP all the time .. I even have an SSD drive fully functional on XP.. but unlike you, I don't express myself through my PC components.. so I don't worry about feeling "inferior" when I use XP at my work PC or my old rig turned media center at home, the way you would.. because 100% functionality is my only concern.

 

[jhansman]

Wow.. so you go from an OLD machine, with a mere 2gb RAM, probably gunked up with years of spyware .. to a fresh install on an SSD DRIVE this time, on what is most likely faster hardware all around, and FOUR times the ram... and you attribute your gains to the OPERATING SYSTEM..?



Pretty shocking .. are you sure you're in the position to weigh in on the merits of something like an operating system?

XP will probably go down in history as one of the finest and most successful OS's of all time. Just because its older, no longer marketable and trendy, doesn't make it a "piece of shit".

You have no idea of what you speak, but your last statement illustrates that on it's own. When XP came out, yes, it was state of the art on PCs. The hardware advancements of the last few years put XP soundly in the shitter, where it belonged. It simply cannot hold a candle to 64-bit Win7 in memory management, SSD usage, or multicore CPU tasking, to name but a few. Do your homework, then post. Luddites need not apply.

 

[thelastjuju]

Yeah, the 6% performance increase with SSDs in Windows 7 over Windows XP truly makes XP unable to "hold a candle" compared to 7 .. Got it! :thumbsup:

..oh, and you do realize there is a 64 bit version of XP too? Or you just choose to ignore this? As if we are all professional video editors who need more than 4gb of ram anyway.. as far as multicore support, that lies with the application, not the operating system..

Might even want to check this out:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-windows-xp-vista,6895.html

 

[Makaveli]

suc·cess·ful/səkˈsesfəl/

Adjective:

• Accomplishing an aim or purpose: "a successful attack on the town".
• Having achieved popularity, profit, or distinction.

Yes, I'm positive XP meets that description and is among the best, and one of the most successful OS's ever released. Calling it a "POS" just reveals how little respect or appreciation you have, and that you just can't resist gloating about your elitism.

You'd have to fill me in on all the operating systems that you think were more successful, more widely used, and that were held onto for as LONG as Windows XP still is.. it absolutely dominated the market share for the past decade, and just in the last year or so has finally started to decline in usage. Its own successor, by comparison, was a total failure. If XP is a "POS" I wonder what you'd consider Vista :whiste:

I switch back from win7 to winXP all the time .. I even have an SSD drive fully functional on XP.. but unlike you, I don't express myself through my PC components.. so I don't worry about feeling "inferior" when I use XP at my work PC or my old rig turned media center at home, the way you would.. because 100% functionality is my only concern.

I also loved the part in bold.

Do you know me personally no! so what the F*** are you talking about?

I posted this from one of my work machines which happends to be running windows XP I also have a windows 7 box next to this one also!

Can you show me the quote where I said XP is a POS.

I will save you the trouble I clearly didn't. When you quote someone to make a point make sure it the right person.

The amount of butt hurt in your post shows you are taking this abit to personal. I'm glad you like XP and still use it congrats!

And yes if I had to choose between windows XP and vista I would choose vista in a heart beat aslong as I can get it up to SP2.

Yeah, the 6% performance increase with SSDs in Windows 7 over Windows XP truly makes XP unable to "hold a candle" compared to 7 .. Got it! :thumbsup:

..oh, and you do realize there is a 64 bit version of XP too? Or you just choose to ignore this? As if we are all professional video editors who need more than 4gb of ram anyway.. as far as multicore support, that lies with the application, not the operating system..

Might even want to check this out:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-windows-xp-vista,6895.html

now I just think you are trolling. windows XP has no TRIM support!

windows XP 64 has no driver support and it was never used.

And yes even tho your application has to be multicore aware the OS still plays a part in it. Its the reason a quad core+ cpus generally runs more efficient in windows 7 than XP there has been tweaks made to the kernel in the OS.

 

[Makaveli]

You have no idea of what you speak, but your last statement illustrates that on it's own. When XP came out, yes, it was state of the art on PCs. The hardware advancements of the last few years put XP soundly in the shitter, where it belonged. It simply cannot hold a candle to 64-bit Win7 in memory management, SSD usage, or multicore CPU tasking, to name but a few. Do your homework, then post. Luddites need not apply.

You are 100% correct with this post!

 

[thelastjuju]

Can you show me the quote where I said XP is a POS.

I will save you the trouble I clearly didn't. When you quote someone to make a point make sure it the right person.

Right here:

Why is XP a POS?

Do you really have to ask ......

...

There you go.. that's you, isn't it?

Now you're going to point to lack of TRIM support to help your argument?? Another irrelevancy.. TRIM is no longer needed on the latest generations of SSDs as the internal, built-in garbage collection is a completely separate and independent process.

I use XP and 7 and like them BOTH, and I'm definitely willing to defend XP against the type of unwarranted allegations you and the other elitist are trying to manufacture.

Its my opinion that the transition from HDD to SSD is the greatest performance LEAP we have seen in many many years.. probably since the end of single core processing.. and both of these transitions are possible under XP.. if that wasn't the case, maybe it'd be a different story.

Shit, when an OS this OLD still holds up so well, is it really that unreasonable to give credit where credit is due?

 

[Makaveli]

Right here:





...

There you go.. that's you, isn't it?

Now you're going to point to lack of TRIM support to help your argument?? Another irrelevancy.. TRIM is no longer needed on the latest generations of SSDs as the internal, built-in garbage collection is a completely separate and independent process.

I use XP and 7 and like them BOTH, and I'm definitely willing to defend XP against the type of unwarranted allegations you and the other elitist are trying to manufacture.

Its my opinion that the transition from HDD to SSD is the greatest performance LEAP we have seen in many many years.. probably since the end of single core processing.. and both of these transitions are possible under XP.. if that wasn't the case, maybe it'd be a different story.

Shit, when an OS this OLD still holds up so well, is it really that unreasonable to give credit where credit is due?

When I said do you really have to ask I meant do you really need examples of why a current OS is better than a 10 year old OS.

I didn't know that meant the same as me say Yes XP is a POS.

moving on so now i'm an elitist.

Explain to me how so since you don't know shit about me.

"unwarranted allegations"

what is unwarranted windows XP is 10 years old, insecure, and doesn't have support for current hardware. Its great that you like it but really what is your argument? Everyone knows it doesn't hold a candle to windows 7 were just beating a dead horse here its retired and doesn't matter!


Now let get back on topic and stop derailing tweakboys thread mmmkay thanks!

You can reply to my question via pm if you so choose.

 

[tweakboy]

Ok should arrive any minute now.

Im going to connect to sata 2 , then launch windows,, and do a clone on the M4 ,,

 

[Makaveli]

Ok should arrive any minute now.

Im going to connect to sata 2 , then launch windows,, and do a clone on the M4 ,,

so your not going to do a brand new install?

 

[tweakboy]

so your not going to do a brand new install?

I would love Makeveli to, but I cant.

I have soo much audio stuff , plugins synths ... my studio runs good got 16 games installed,,,,, on top of that,.. I

Ive done many clean formats in my life. Believe me it used to be my illness,, I would reboot mess up comp and format.. I am going to do a clean install on my next upgrade which is Haswell or 2015. :$

 

[tweakboy]

Ok I connected the drive,, booted up,,,,,,, hard disk score I got 6.2 ????????? Shouldnt it be more like 7.9 The cable wasnt fully attached,, I get 260mbps on sata 2

I have a 512 cluster size, is that ok ? or slows down must be 4096kb


and things dont sseem that much fastre


WHat do I have to do. Its running on 512k cluster ..... instead of 4096,... thx

Photoshop 5 64 bit loads in 2 seconds,,,,,,, OS load in 20 seconds ...... but Im getting 245 or 260mbps shouldnt it be 300mbps ???

 

[tweakboy]

Im getting 7.3 on WEI ,,,, shouldnt it be higher,,,,,,,,,, ?

Also my sequential read is 247Mbps ,, shouldnt it be 300mbps since its sata 2 ?

 

[Herr Kutz]

No Samsung 830? Surely you could have gone without water and electricity for a couple of months. I am disappoint.

 

[tweakboy]

Yes 750 price tag is a bit too much, for a pc combonent

 

[Coup27]

Jhansman -You have no argument whatever so ever and have decided that XP is a piece of shit purely because it is not as good as Windows 7.

Windows XP came out in 2001. Windows 7 came out in 2009. It took 8 years to perfect an OS which was better than XP. Vista was a shambles. Nobody who was serious wanted it.

XP meets the very definition of sucessful. To say it doesn't means you have no clue what the word means. Compared to Windows 7 now, yes, XP could be classed as a POS, but its a totally unfair comparison.

Makaveli - I also took that comment to mean you thought it was a POS as well.