Turns out Vick is an even bigger douchebag

[tboo]

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: Turkish

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Tooncesthedrivingcat

Originally posted by: Farang
Just because you own one or have owned one or think they are cute doesn't mean they aren't fscking animals. Cockfighting is the national sport of the Philippines. People eat dogs in Vietnam. This isn't abnormal behavior, although I can't say I'd do it myself.

Throwing family pets in with dogs that will kill them isn't abnormal?

Watching animals fight for entertainment is not abnormal, no.

You are a fuckin moron. I don't care if I get banned for saying this.

who the hell cares Basar. It's an animal.

I care.

I lost a dog to people who fight dogs. Someone stole my gentle lab from our back yard & threw him in a ring for their fighting dogs to practice on. He was found by the side of a road with his throat torn out(along with many other injuries). Cops told us that this has been happening lately in our area & suspect a local dog fighting ring. They have been stealing local family pets to use for practice for their fighting dogs.

I loved that dog. He was a part of my family. Its obvious from your statement(& some others besides yourself) that you dont understand the love & joy a pet can bring.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Elstupido

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Elstupido
Farang, damned straight bro! I'd pay good money to see you in a ring with a half starved crocodile, just to bet on how long you'd last. Now that would be some prime entertainment.

I =/= dog. If you can equate a human with a dog I think you're the one with the problem.

I value the lives of my dogs over most people, including you.

+1

both of you that value an animal over a human have major issues.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Farang
Just because you own one or have owned one or think they are cute doesn't mean they aren't fscking animals. ############ is the national sport of the Philippines. People eat dogs in Vietnam. This isn't abnormal behavior, although I can't say I'd do it myself.

Those countries aren't civilized.

The U.S. allows the torture and killing of animals in the food industry and in the name of science. By that definition, the U.S. isn't civilized either. Get your head out of the ground and look around sometime.

Animals for food are NOT tortured OK?, they are fattened up on feedlots and quickly and humanly killed. How anyone can equate that to letting large aggressive dogs chew a smaller horrified dog until it dies from it's wounds is beyond me..

Where does Veal come from? If I was an animal I'd rather be a small terrified dog mauled by a Pit Bull and dead after 10 minutes. Than a Calf who spends it's whole life chained to a pen that's only slightly bigger than I am, while I live in my own feces.

People who eat Veal are as bad as Vick for what they support. A Calf spending it's life inpressioned might be even worse. But who cares right? I mean Veal tastes so good, and Cow's aren't pets so...

and if you think all animals are killed in a human fashion, if that makes eating meat easier for you, good. But, many aren't and I've seen dozens of videos that prove you wrong.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Elstupido

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Elstupido
Farang, damned straight bro! I'd pay good money to see you in a ring with a half starved crocodile, just to bet on how long you'd last. Now that would be some prime entertainment.

I =/= dog. If you can equate a human with a dog I think you're the one with the problem.

I value the lives of my dogs over most people, including you.

+1

both of you that value an animal over a human have major issues.

I generally tend to agree with this statement. While I've had pets for the majority of my life, and I do see them as a part of my family, I would never value their lives more than any person's. Animals are animals.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Ballatician

Originally posted by: Paladin3

Originally posted by: Farang
Just because you own one or have owned one or think they are cute doesn't mean they aren't fscking animals. Cockfighting is the national sport of the Philippines. People eat dogs in Vietnam. This isn't abnormal behavior, although I can't say I'd do it myself.

This isn't the Philippines and it isn't Vietnam. You want to do that shit then go to one of those places where it is accepted. Fighting, electrocuting, drowning, hanging and bashing dogs heads in just doesn't go here. What part of that is hard to understand?

I'm not defending Vick's actions.

Why is it ok that other animals are routinely abused simply to provide meat for us to eat? In fact that's institutionalized torture of animals and yet nothing happens.

1. "institutionalized torture" of animals is NOT routine. The owners of those animals have a vested interest in the wellness (and "happiness" for lack of a better term) of those animals. Animals who are maltreated do not do as well as animals that are well cared for. Most people are capable of spotting dogs that have been maltreated, inadequately cared for, and abused. They're generally smaller, underweight, etc. When animals are purchased for slaughter, they're purchased by the pound. And, the price per pound varies by the animal. In short, abuse/maltreatment of animals has a major effect on the bottom line for commercial animal production.

2. There's been no shortage of videos of lions/crocodiles/etc attacking other animals. And, the the U.S., these videos are acceptable and are featured on such venues as Animal Planet or Discover Television. However, culturally, the vast majority in our society find having animals which we consider pets to be fighting to the death to be absolutely unacceptable. That doesn't mean all cultures necessarily believe the same thing. (Although, societies that consider themselves more "civilized" tend more to view dog fighting as unacceptable.) Nonetheless, there's nothing wrong with Farang's position. It's simply a difference between cultures.

3. Michael Vick was brought up in the U.S. He knew what he was doing was illegal. He knew that most people find it unacceptable. Yet, he did it anyway. He's a piece of shit.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: tboo

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: Turkish

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Tooncesthedrivingcat

Originally posted by: Farang
Just because you own one or have owned one or think they are cute doesn't mean they aren't fscking animals. Cockfighting is the national sport of the Philippines. People eat dogs in Vietnam. This isn't abnormal behavior, although I can't say I'd do it myself.

Throwing family pets in with dogs that will kill them isn't abnormal?

Watching animals fight for entertainment is not abnormal, no.

You are a fuckin moron. I don't care if I get banned for saying this.

who the hell cares Basar. It's an animal.

I care.

I lost a dog to people who fight dogs. Someone stole my gentle lab from our back yard & threw him in a ring for their fighting dogs to practice on. He was found by the side of a road with his throat torn out(along with many other injuries). Cops told us that this has been happening lately in our area & suspect a local dog fighting ring. They have been stealing local family pets to use for practice for their fighting dogs.

I loved that dog. He was a part of my family. Its obvious from your statement(& some others besides yourself) that you dont understand the love & joy a pet can bring.

🙁

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Elstupido

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Elstupido
Farang, damned straight bro! I'd pay good money to see you in a ring with a half starved crocodile, just to bet on how long you'd last. Now that would be some prime entertainment.

I =/= dog. If you can equate a human with a dog I think you're the one with the problem.

I value the lives of my dogs over most people, including you.

+1

both of you that value an animal over a human have major issues.

Nope, they're family members and are valued as such.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

That guy should end up with no money to show for his life. SOunds like that might be the case. Go US gov't!

 

[DrPizza]

In some sense, family pets ARE valued more than the lives of other humans, in that the money spent on the care of pets could instead be sent to 3rd world countries to save starving children. But their value to a family isn't simply just that it's an animal, but that it's more of a family member.

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
both of you that value an animal over a human have major issues.

I generally tend to agree with this statement. While I've had pets for the majority of my life, and I do see them as a part of my family, I would never value their lives more than any person's. Animals are animals.

Then why don't you euthanize your pets & send the money you would have otherwise spent on pet food & vet bills to a 3rd world country. OR, do you just want to say that you value those starving children more than your pets, just to make yourself feel better? I'll be honest. If someone came up to my door with a syringe in hand and offered to humanely put down my dogs if I would send the money I'd otherwise spend on dog food (and vet bills) to help save starving children, I'd say, "go away." And, I *DO* value my pets lives more than other people's. My pets provide me with some security. My pets are unconditionally "best friends." They provide me with a great deal of enjoyment (and some entertainment.) And, some of my pets provide me with a bit of income.

 

[BladeVenom]

I don't think dog fighting is sick enough, we need to use a higher developed species, or sadistic enough we need to make the suffering more long term. To really be sick and sadistic, let's put humans into ring and watch them beat each other till one of them is so brain damaged he can't stand up. Now that would truly be depraved.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
I don't think dog fighting is sick enough, we need to use a higher developed species, or sadistic enough we need to make the suffering more long term. To really be sick and sadistic, let's put humans into ring and watch them beat each other till one of them is so brain damaged he can't stand up. Now that would truly be depraved.

Those guys choose to do that to themselves. Big difference. Not that I watch that crap anyway. Bad for the soul.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Farang
Just because you own one or have owned one or think they are cute doesn't mean they aren't fscking animals. ############ is the national sport of the Philippines. People eat dogs in Vietnam. This isn't abnormal behavior, although I can't say I'd do it myself.

Those countries aren't civilized.

The U.S. allows the torture and killing of animals in the food industry and in the name of science. By that definition, the U.S. isn't civilized either. Get your head out of the ground and look around sometime.

Animals for food are NOT tortured OK?, they are fattened up on feedlots and quickly and humanly killed. How anyone can equate that to letting large aggressive dogs chew a smaller horrified dog until it dies from it's wounds is beyond me..

Where does Veal come from? If I was an animal I'd rather be a small terrified dog mauled by a Pit Bull and dead after 10 minutes. Than a Calf who spends it's whole life chained to a pen that's only slightly bigger than I am, while I live in my own feces.

People who eat Veal are as bad as Vick for what they support. A Calf spending it's life inpressioned might be even worse. But who cares right? I mean Veal tastes so good, and Cow's aren't pets so...

and if you think all animals are killed in a human fashion, if that makes eating meat easier for you, good. But, many aren't and I've seen dozens of videos that prove you wrong.

Fair enough, the Veal situation is a sad one and I do not eat it for those reasons. Yes, you could find some videos that will show inhumane slaughtering, your talking about an industry that handles tens of millions of animals and your going to find a few operators that won't follow the rules, still doesn't justify anyone stealing another's pet and tossing it into a ring and watch it die a vicious death.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
In some sense, family pets ARE valued more than the lives of other humans, in that the money spent on the care of pets could instead be sent to 3rd world countries to save starving children. But their value to a family isn't simply just that it's an animal, but that it's more of a family member.

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
both of you that value an animal over a human have major issues.

I generally tend to agree with this statement. While I've had pets for the majority of my life, and I do see them as a part of my family, I would never value their lives more than any person's. Animals are animals.

Then why don't you euthanize your pets & send the money you would have otherwise spent on pet food & vet bills to a 3rd world country. OR, do you just want to say that you value those starving children more than your pets, just to make yourself feel better? I'll be honest. If someone came up to my door with a syringe in hand and offered to humanely put down my dogs if I would send the money I'd otherwise spend on dog food (and vet bills) to help save starving children, I'd say, "go away." And, I *DO* value my pets lives more than other people's. My pets provide me with some security. My pets are unconditionally "best friends." They provide me with a great deal of enjoyment (and some entertainment.) And, some of my pets provide me with a bit of income.

I wish I could euthanize a few members of my family. 😛

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

I wish I could euthanize a few members of my family. 😛

You can.

 

[Farang]

My point was that your compassion towards animals is all relative. So just because Vick doesn't stand in the same spectrum of animal loving, does not make him a douchebag.

So I brought up examples of other countries where dogs are food, or where other animals are brutalized for sport. Another way of looking at it is how Indians see the cow compared to how we see the cow. They might think you're a douchebag for killing a cow, but here is is completely acceptable and we don't give it a second thought. They are walking steaks to us.

I understand most of you are in the U.S. so we are all supposed to share some outrage, my point is step back for a minute and look at yourself from the outside and you'll see what Vick did really wasn't as outrageous as you'd like to think.

The anger and whatnot directed at me I don't really understand. I'm not killing animals. I guess free expression of ideas is not really something that is tolerated here.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Farang
My point was that your compassion towards animals is all relative. So just because Vick doesn't stand in the same spectrum of animal loving, does not make him a douchebag.

So I brought up examples of other countries where dogs are food, or where other animals are brutalized for sport. Another way of looking at it is how Indians see the cow compared to how we see the cow. They might think you're a douchebag for killing a cow, but here is is completely acceptable and we don't give it a second thought. They are walking steaks to us.

I understand most of you are in the U.S. so we are all supposed to share some outrage, my point is step back for a minute and look at yourself from the outside and you'll see what Vick did really wasn't as outrageous as you'd like to think.

The anger and whatnot directed at me I don't really understand. I'm not killing animals. I guess free expression of ideas is not really something that is tolerated here.

Stealing another person's animal/pet to be tortured/killed should not be tolerated by anyone anywhere.

 

[Farang]

I don't see the part of the article where these are someone elses pets that he stole

 

[theeedude]

His property, his business. Not my cup of tea, but who am I to tell him what he should do with his pets?

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Elstupido
Farang, damned straight bro! I'd pay good money to see you in a ring with a half starved crocodile, just to bet on how long you'd last. Now that would be some prime entertainment.

I =/= dog. If you can equate a human with a dog I think you're the one with the problem.

I value the lives of my dogs over most people, including you.

wow... idiots like this ... just wow.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Elstupido

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Elstupido
Farang, damned straight bro! I'd pay good money to see you in a ring with a half starved crocodile, just to bet on how long you'd last. Now that would be some prime entertainment.

I =/= dog. If you can equate a human with a dog I think you're the one with the problem.

I value the lives of my dogs over most people, including you.

+1

both of you that value an animal over a human have major issues.

Nope, they're family members and are valued as such.

they aren't as valuable as a human life though. sorry, but its true.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Elstupido
Farang, damned straight bro! I'd pay good money to see you in a ring with a half starved crocodile, just to bet on how long you'd last. Now that would be some prime entertainment.

I =/= dog. If you can equate a human with a dog I think you're the one with the problem.

I value the lives of my dogs over most people, including you.

wow... idiots like this ... just wow.

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Elstupido

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Elstupido
Farang, damned straight bro! I'd pay good money to see you in a ring with a half starved crocodile, just to bet on how long you'd last. Now that would be some prime entertainment.

I =/= dog. If you can equate a human with a dog I think you're the one with the problem.

I value the lives of my dogs over most people, including you.

+1

both of you that value an animal over a human have major issues.

Nope, they're family members and are valued as such.

they aren't as valuable as a human life though. sorry, but its true.

Sorry but my dogs have never murdered/tortured/harmed anyone but have brought joy to the elderly as therapy dogs. And provided me and others with love and companionship.

Interesting that there are people who need dogs as protection from other humans.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Farang
I don't see the part of the article where these are someone elses pets that he stole

Not in that particular article but part of the history of his running the kennel.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Farang
My point was that your compassion towards animals is all relative. So just because Vick doesn't stand in the same spectrum of animal loving, does not make him a douchebag.

So I brought up examples of other countries where dogs are food, or where other animals are brutalized for sport. Another way of looking at it is how Indians see the cow compared to how we see the cow. They might think you're a douchebag for killing a cow, but here is is completely acceptable and we don't give it a second thought. They are walking steaks to us.

I understand most of you are in the U.S. so we are all supposed to share some outrage, my point is step back for a minute and look at yourself from the outside and you'll see what Vick did really wasn't as outrageous as you'd like to think.

The anger and whatnot directed at me I don't really understand. I'm not killing animals. I guess free expression of ideas is not really something that is tolerated here.

All cultures are not ethically equal. In respect to treatment of animals, our culture is better than that of those who abuse animals for pleasure. Vick is a douchebag.

 

[Shlong]

What Vick did was wrong but he grew up in a neighborhood culture where dog fighting was no big deal, it was accepted. Pedro Martinez the same way with cock fighting. It's like certain mormons who grew up thinking that polygamy is no big deal (the norm). From an outsiders Point of View, it's wrong but in the inner circle it's no big deal. I can see why Vick didn't think it was that big of a deal when he was doing it. In the end, there are laws and he broke em.

 

[fustercluck]

Vick's life is the biggest fall from the top I've ever seen. Can't believe anyone could be so damn stupid and cruel. Also can't believe people are thinking about letting him back into the NFL. Why would any NFL team be want to be linked with this guy? Might as well bail O.J out of prison to be your running back. Hope he gets more jail time or just disappears.

Also, nothing wrong with valuing your own Dogs over other people, especially some message board douches 😛