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Jaskalas

Jaskalas

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imported_tajmahal said:
Texas always counts.
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Ahahaha, go ahead and use the words. Tell us Texas will decide the election. That Texas is a swing state and thus relevant to the 2020 election.
Hint: It isn't. You're just aggrandizing this topic for whatever foul reason.
 
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Jaskalas said:
Ahahaha, go ahead and use the words. Tell us Texas will decide the election. That Texas is a swing state and thus relevant to the 2020 election.
Hint: It isn't. You're just aggrandizing this topic for whatever foul reason.
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He's right to a point. When & if Texas turns blue GOP aspirations will go to Hell in a handbasket.
 
Commodus

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Jaskalas said:
Sure... some day. Not this year, or next.
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Mind you, it is amusing to think that Republicans may just be trying to put off dealing with an inevitable need to change. That there may come a time in the next, say, 8-12 years where the demographics have shifted so much in Texas and elsewhere that the GOP either moderates its views or risks permanently ceding the federal government to Democrats. And as much as I'd like left-leaning politics to have sway, there needs to be at least one viable (but vaguely competent and honest) alternative party.
 
Vic

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Commodus said:
Mind you, it is amusing to think that Republicans may just be trying to put off dealing with an inevitable need to change. That there may come a time in the next, say, 8-12 years where the demographics have shifted so much in Texas and elsewhere that the GOP either moderates its views or risks permanently ceding the federal government to Democrats. And as much as I'd like left-leaning politics to have sway, there needs to be at least one viable (but vaguely competent and honest) alternative party.
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The Republicans are not going to moderate their views or cede power. Instead, they're going to keep doing what they're already doing. Which is to gerrymander and suppress opposing votes and voices into irrelevance. And increasing urbanization plays right into that, not against it, as liberals conveniently wall themselves into ghettos. So that if America does become a single-party state, that party will not be the Democrats.
 
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Commodus

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Vic said:
The Republicans are not going to moderate their views or cede power. Instead, they're going to keep doing what they're already doing. Which is to gerrymander and suppress opposing votes and voices into irrelevance. And increasing urbanization plays right into that, not against it, as liberals conveniently wall themselves into ghettos. So that if America does become a single-party state, that party will not be the Democrats.
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I'm sure the Republicans will keep trying to skew elections as long as possible, but I'm not convinced it'll work in their favor for as long as they think it will or as democracy-loving people fear. The key is demographic shift, and it's not just limited to existing liberal strongholds.

Non-white voters are representing an increasingly large section of the population in many areas, and younger voters are much more likely to vote Democrat. While it's far from guaranteed, there is a real possibility that the Republicans are backing themselves into a corner where no amount of voter suppression (short of outright falsifying numbers) gets them enough votes to win the presidency. There are only so many old, bigoted white men to go around.
 
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Commodus said:
I'm sure the Republicans will keep trying to skew elections as long as possible, but I'm not convinced it'll work in their favor for as long as they think it will or as democracy-loving people fear. The key is demographic shift, and it's not just limited to existing liberal strongholds.

Non-white voters are representing an increasingly large section of the population in many areas, and younger voters are much more likely to vote Democrat. While it's far from guaranteed, there is a real possibility that the Republicans are backing themselves into a corner where no amount of voter suppression (short of outright falsifying numbers) gets them enough votes to win the presidency. There are only so many old, bigoted white men to go around.
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aren't "non-hispanic whites" supposed to be a minority by 2050 or so?
 
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Commodus

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Fenixgoon said:
aren't "non-hispanic whites" supposed to be a minority by 2050 or so?
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What Jhnnn said. And remember, a permanent tip against the GOP wouldn't necessarily have to wait that long -- it'd just have to involve enough white voters to shift the balance. One help is the general shift toward non-religiousness that makes younger generations less likely to be anti-choice and anti-LGBT.

This one of the many reasons why the current Republican strategy is so foolish. The party is pretending that it can preserve a white majority forever if it just tries hard enough (and one with enough GOP supporters, no less), and that there won't be a moment of reckoning when it has to either get with the times or fizzle out completely. We just have to hope they don't screw up the country too badly before that point.
 
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Greenman said:
That's a little disingenuous. If a democrat had won that election it would have been headline news about the "blue wave" sweeping the US.
The fundamental issue I see is that it's always portrayed as us vs them, when it's actually us vs us. These people you hate are your countrymen, your parents, your brothers and sisters.
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Talk about disingenuous... But that is to be expected.
 
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K1052 said:
The Texas House of Representatives is trending towards the Democrats slowly but surely as the state's population rises and demos change. The tendrils of fear the GOP here feels about the rapidly growing cities is palpable.
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Thats why they move for the fix ... even if it means allying with Putin and turning your country onto autocracy.
You cant bring a knife to a gunfight. You will loose.
 
Jaskalas

Jaskalas

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Commodus said:
And as much as I'd like left-leaning politics to have sway, there needs to be at least one viable (but vaguely competent and honest) alternative party.
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I name the Blue Dogs and other moderates to lead that charge. They can argue for whatever percent of the economy should be public, but I want 50%.

Unlike the Republicans, I expect they'd actually put up a decent fight with regards to how we should best help our people. It'd be nice if the alternative party was also FOR our people... rather than against them.
 
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Jaskalas said:
Sure... some day. Not this year, or next.
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Maybe not, but they know this, so that gives them plenty of time to gerrymander the sh1t out of TX and put in laws to cheat the system somehow. Its how they roll now. "Cant beat em, cheat em" as ole pappy used to say.
 
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