Turkey Ataturk airport attack UPDATED

[agent00f]

Compared to the middle east, the west are the advanced/principled guys.

Only to people ignorant of history, usually along with everything else.

Keep up your endless internet rage, it for sure is benefitting your life personally

Just because you don't know any history doesn't mean matter-of-fact scholarship is "rage". If anything your type are known to get angry at academic institutions for doing their job, probably reflecting their frustration during their time in them.

All dwarfed by islam. Dwarfed.

And the death tolls simply have no comparison. None.

As just mentioned & evident here, failures in history class are often accompanies by failure elsewhere like arithmetic. In this case for example, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of the world wars, even if adding up numbers associated with them is beyond some.

 

[agent00f]

We were comparin' the religions 'n' their actions, me laddie. The reason why Christianity is in a better sort, is 'cause it got much of the bloodlust out of it's system; it's had a 700 year head start o'er Islam, after all.

Let's use the instance of the iraq war mentioned above where some hundred thousands were killed, and at least a plurality of those doing the killing were christian. Do you think they sleep well at night because it wasn't done in jesus's name so "thou shalt not kill" doesn't apply?

 

[Victorian Gray]

If I showed you pictures of non-violent, smiling, nice WHITE people - would you stop blaming the world's problems on them?

Doubtful... goes against the progressive agenda. Remember, your support means nothing unless you actually convert.

As that's not something I have ever done, your point?

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more. There are multitudes of straw people to slay!

Wear those clown shoes and red nose with pride dude. You've earned them.

 

[agent00f]

With many old-timey racists at least you can understand the self-interest they were rationalizing. Like a slaveowner has to frame blacks as inferior beings because exploiting them was profitable, or even poor whites benefited from an underclass beneath them. With the alt-right their self-interest in the case of muslims is less clear, because there aren't that many muslims in their society around to climb on top of.

IMO this more a case akin to the germans/jews or colonialists/natives, where mostly the leadership (and less so the members) benefited from sycophants rallying around their cause. So the corresponding 3 parties (instead of 2) in the system are nazis/germans/jews, colonialists/countrymen/natives, trump-types/alt-right/muslims, respectively.

 

[Jaskalas]

IMO this more a case akin to the germans/jews or colonialists/natives, where mostly the leadership (and less so the members) benefited from sycophants rallying around their cause. So the corresponding 3 parties (instead of 2) in the system are nazis/germans/jews, colonialists/countrymen/natives, trump-types/alt-right/muslims, respectively.

I do not recall learning of Jewish acts of war/terrorism in Germany. Nor a global pandemic of such attacks. For your parallel to be meaningful, perhaps you could find us Germany's September 11th. Because I don't think there is one.

 

[cubby1223]

With many old-timey racists at least you can understand the self-interest they were rationalizing. Like a slaveowner has to frame blacks as inferior beings because exploiting them was profitable, or even poor whites benefited from an underclass beneath them. With the alt-right their self-interest in the case of muslims is less clear, because there aren't that many muslims in their society around to climb on top of.

IMO this more a case akin to the germans/jews or colonialists/natives, where mostly the leadership (and less so the members) benefited from sycophants rallying around their cause. So the corresponding 3 parties (instead of 2) in the system are nazis/germans/jews, colonialists/countrymen/natives, trump-types/alt-right/muslims, respectively.

Who are you to pop in to the forum so recently and have such strong opinions against others?

Bottom line, if we did not have the range of suicide bombings by some Muslims in the name of their faith, nobody would pay attention to them. That's the difference with your comparisons, and where your logic fails miserably. No suicide bombings, nearly everyone goes about their normal day without batting an eye at people of the Islamic faith.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Who are you to pop in to the forum so recently and have such strong opinions against others?

Bottom line, if we did not have the suicide bombings by some Muslims in the name of their faith, nobody would pay attention to them. That's the difference with your comparisons, and where your logic fails miserably.

Saying "in the name of their faith" is really too vague
Three quarters of all suicide bombings happen in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan against others of their faith

Since the 1980s militant Islamists have challenged the traditional Islamic rules of warfare in an attempt to justify suicide attacks despite clear contradictions to established Islamic laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istishhad

The origins of modern Istishhadi attacks lie among the Shia in Iran during the Iran–Iraq War of 1980–1988. Mohammed Hossein Fahmideh, a 13-year-old boy who fought in the war, is said to be the first Muslim to have participated in such an attack in contemporary history. He strapped rocket-propelled grenades to his chest and blew himself up under an Iraqi tank in November 1980. Ayatollah Khomeini declared Fahmideh a national hero and inspiration for further volunteers for martyrdom.

How do you feel about this suicide bombing?
If you were to answer a poll about suicide bombings would you answer they were sometimes justified or never?

 

[cubby1223]

Saying "in the name of their faith" is really too vague
Three quarters of all suicide bombings happen in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan against others of their faith

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istishhad

How do you feel about this suicide bombing?
If you were to answer a poll about suicide bombings would you answer they were sometimes justified or never?

In other words, you want people to write like a lawyer factoring in the thousands of variations out there before making a single, simple point.

Not interested in playing your games. My point was crystal clear, and I stand behind it. I never stated I believed suicide bombers were smart and principled followers of their faith.

 

[Blue_Max]

No suicide bombings, nearly everyone goes about their normal day without batting an eye at people of the Islamic faith.

That might've been 20-30 years ago... now we're more concerned with the chronic rape epidemic than we are with suicide bombers or mad shooters.

 

[MajinCry]

Let's use the instance of the iraq war mentioned above where some hundred thousands were killed, and at least a plurality of those doing the killing were christian. Do you think they sleep well at night because it wasn't done in jesus's name so "thou shalt not kill" doesn't apply?

Thou shalt not kill*

*See Old Testament for guidelines and exceptions

Most Christians, you'll find, just give themselves the label. Hardly any actually follow the scripture, like people did a few centuries ago. 'Tis pop culture Christianity that's makin' the rounds these days; accept Jesus as your saviour, and you're off to heaven.

And soldiers aren't exactly peaceful lads. They're given guns 'n' sent off to fight, with all the rape and torture that comes along with it, like what America got up to in ol' Vietnam & what the US soldiers are doing in the Okinawan military bases.

Some won't sleep well due to the horrors, others will rub one out o'er them and promptly nod off.

 

[Blue_Max]

Yeah, let's concentrate on some fake issues to make Christians seem evil somehow... and completely ignore what's happening in the real world today. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3673302/Leaked-German-sex-crime-report-confirms-surge-child-rapes-migrants.html

 

[MajinCry]

Yeah, let's concentrate on some fake issues to make Christians seem evil somehow... and completely ignore what's happening in the real world today. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...port-confirms-surge-child-rapes-migrants.html

Do you get commissions from the farming industry? I'd start asking for money in exchange for all these strawmen you fashion.

 

[Blue_Max]

Golly, I wish I could 'win' any argument just by calling any and all rebuttals a "strawman" (no matter how much evidence is provided.)

 

[agent00f]

If anyone recalls, the ultimate objective of ww2/third-reich was to gradually eliminate the inferior people starting with those least like themselves (who are coincidentally the best good guys). But to be fair to the alt-right, they're don't stand out as particularly terrible in the history of the west. Frankly the nazis just messed up by also killing a lot of other white people, and thus were made an example of after losing. If it were only the jews they probably would've been ok, forgiven by passage of time like much of the rest.

For readers who're angry at this point, this is a completely serious question: if the nazis only ran their concentration camps without starting the war, would people today care to anywhere near the same extent? My contention is that nazis only stand out because they killed too many white people to sweep under the rug. As supporting evidence, the confederacy is vilified for slavery in a way that america in general isn't for exterminating natives, again because they killed too many white people. Also the reason why a suicide attack on white people (even if they're french) has impact the way everyday suicide-attacks against muslims don't, and so on. #whitelivesmatter

(For quantitative evidence notice how the ideological math works. Muslims these days can kill a few whites here/there and all be evil, whereas whitey has to kill millions of white people to be similarly evil. Gotta hand it to Hitler for overcoming those odds stacked against him).

 

[agent00f]

Who are you to pop in to the forum so recently and have such strong opinions against others?

Bottom line, if we did not have the range of suicide bombings by some Muslims in the name of their faith, nobody would pay attention to them. That's the difference with your comparisons, and where your logic fails miserably. No suicide bombings, nearly everyone goes about their normal day without batting an eye at people of the Islamic faith.

As mentioned above, killing groups of others often has consequences, such as a desire in them to harm you in return. Don't worry though, due to the west's (and particularly Merica's) ultra-violent nature, we're willing this one by heaps in body count ratio.

 

[agent00f]

I do not recall learning of Jewish acts of war/terrorism in Germany. Nor a global pandemic of such attacks. For your parallel to be meaningful, perhaps you could find us Germany's September 11th. Because I don't think there is one.

You seem to believe that western exploitation & brutality in the ME started after 9/11. This is factually mistaken and things will start to make a lot more sense once that's corrected.

Note I'm assuming that you don't believe hapless adversaries getting brutalized shouldn't fight back.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

You seem to believe that western exploitation & brutality in the ME started after 9/11. This is factually mistaken and things will start to make a lot more sense once that's corrected.

In what way will it be "corrected"?

Note I'm assuming that you don't believe hapless adversaries getting brutalized shouldn't fight back.

Absolutely not, which is why residents of the "Christian" nations need to start fighting back. These barbarians are being imported into their countries and brutalizing decent people.

 

[agent00f]

In what way will it be "corrected"?

Corrected to reflect historical/factual reality; this stands in contrast to rhetorical bluster.

Absolutely not, which is why residents of the "Christian" nations need to start fighting back. These barbarians are being imported into their countries and brutalizing decent people.

The "Christian" nations historically exploiting/brutalizing these politically expendable people is what caused them to fight back. But we can see how it's more convenient for the west when the subhumans know their place and just take it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Golly, I wish I could 'win' any argument just by calling any and all rebuttals a "strawman" (no matter how much evidence is provided.)

Yeah, but you don't do evidence, you simply spew propaganda.

 

[agent00f]

It's also worth explaining why "terrorism" has some popular support with muslims. Imagine some massive bullying group has been brutalizing your family/town/etc for a while, and the leaders for the most part don't stand up to it due to the size/power disparity. Now these plucky upstarts finally find some way to take the fight to powerhouse; of course you'd root for them to some extent regardless of how you might feel about them personally.

To clarify, I'm most here to explain basic facts of the case and how things work in reality. Sort of like when someone is really pissed off at the dickhead retail employee won't allow returns on shoes that were uncomfortable after a while, and you point out it's past their return window and policy only allows returns on unworn merchandise anyway, so the guy was just doing his job. Some people will come to accept the reality of things, some not so much & hold that emotional anger forever.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

It's also worth explaining why "terrorism" has some popular support with muslims. Imagine some massive bullying group has been brutalizing your family/town/etc for a while, and the leaders for the most part don't stand up to it due to the size/power disparity. Now these plucky upstarts finally find some way to take the fight to powerhouse; of course you'd root for them to some extent regardless of how you might feel about them personally.

Yes, and seeing how most terrorist attacks are moslem vs moslem (especially your heroes in isis), that makes perfect sense. Not. What it boils down to is that barbarians will be barbarians no matter where they live.

 

[MajinCry]

Golly, I wish I could 'win' any argument just by calling any and all rebuttals a "strawman" (no matter how much evidence is provided.)

Ya can have all the evidence in the world, but when you're presenting evidence fer your polish plumber having scammed you, when yer at court for a divorce, you just look a fool.

Again, ya keep thinking I've somehow supported the atrocities being committed by some Muslims. I've not, an' I don't.

Now quit stuffing all that straw into yer old man's work clothes. The horses have ta eat something!

 

[Orignal Earl]

Ya can have all the evidence in the world, but when you're presenting evidence fer your polish plumber having scammed you, when yer at court for a divorce, you just look a fool.

Again, ya keep thinking I've somehow supported the atrocities being committed by some Muslims. I've not, an' I don't.

Now quit stuffing all that straw into yer old man's work clothes. The horses have ta eat something!

There's a lot of hate for Polacks over there isn't there? UK?
I remember some from when I was a kid, Ukrainians were usually thought of as dumb too.
But I haven't heard anything like that for a long time

 

[MajinCry]

There's a lot of hate for Polacks over there isn't there? UK?
I remember some from when I was a kid, Ukrainians were usually thought of as dumb too.
But I haven't heard anything like that for a long time

The flack the Poles get, is from plumbers that charge an arm and a leg for some simple piss. Dunnae know much about how the eastern Europeans are treated, though the Romanian gypsies have a dysfunctional relationship with most communities 'ere.

And there's also the "They're stealing our jobs!" sentiment being held, by a small few, in regards tae Middle Eastern lads running corner shops.

Ta compare the racial hatred between the UK and the US, the former would be a heated shouting match. The latter would involve lynching, stalking and blackmail.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The flack the Poles get, is from plumbers that charge an arm and a leg for some simple piss. Dunnae know much about how the eastern Europeans are treated, though the Romanian gypsies have a dysfunctional relationship with most communities 'ere.

And there's also the "They're stealing our jobs!" sentiment being held, by a small few, in regards tae Middle Eastern lads running corner shops.

Ta compare the racial hatred between the UK and the US, the former would be a heated shouting match. The latter would involve lynching, stalking and blackmail.

In Canada, all plumbers charge an arm n leg for simple shit, it's a God given right