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Tualatin wh00ps some mayor ass

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<< iNSANE,
I've be reading anand forum for 4 months, and from the bottom of my heart i say
&quot;YOUR ARE THE BIGGEST A$$-HOLE HERE&quot;

I've seen people defent/attack the Intel/AMD with reasonable facts and good behavior

Your posts are soooo childish, like you where 7 years old with -40points of IQ.

As you can see I have nothing to say for Intel or AMD, I thinck every person (with logical reasoning) here is always exited about new Tech and they will buy whatever is better (with reasonable price)

So I am not talking for either fan club, yet I think you are what i said,....think about it, something has to be wrong with you to desgust people that are not directly AMD fan.

But judging from your forum history (especially your reasoning), even if 98% of this forum where to second my opinion, you would still stand by your.....you are wrong in thinking that that is called strong personality EEERR....it is called blind stupidity.


P/S All other, please excuse my language, i know that its almost like lowering myself to him, but this is just too....., forget it, i think the wise should just ignor this tread (I know i should have done that too)

 >>




arent u being childish? just pm him ur feelings. dont gotta share it with the world. maybe a sentence or two. not an essay on how hes childish.
 
Okay insane, since you seem to be bent on using the Sandra CPU scores (however crappy of a benchmark it may be) as the sole basis of comparison, let's readjust the scores to an equal clock rate.

The Tualatin @ 1.419 GHz is clocked 6.7% faster than the T-bird at 1.33 GHz. Readjusting the T-Bird scores at 1.419GHz (assuming they scale linearly, which they pretty much do), the result is:

Sandra CPU performance

AMD Tbird 1.419 GHz 1943/3997
Tualatin 1.419 GHz 1905/3988
% difference: 1.95% / .23%

Sandra MUltimedia performance

AMD Tbird 1.419 GHz 9690/7969
Tualatin 1.419 GHz 9595/7729
% difference: .98% / 3%

Ummm....yeah, the Tualatin sure whoops the T-bird's a$$.

I'm interested in the Tualatin's release as much as you, but please keep the discussion rational.
 
Tualatin does require a different socket. BTW check out this discussion. The people at Ace's really know what they are talking about. The fact is that most of them are dissapointed with the performace and some are worried that Intel's .13u process isn't all it's cracked up to be.
 


<< i thought tualatin needed a whole new socket.. >>


From Tom's:

It may have the same socket (Socket370) as the good old Coppermine, but it requires a different I/O-voltage and thus a different chipset. Right now, you need a new version of Intel's 815 chipset (i815 EP B-stepping) to run the new PIII. Current PIII-boards won't be able to host the new breed.

I'm not sure I understand his statement. My mobo is BX, yet it supports 1.5 V natively. (It's a Slot 1 with a FC-PGA slocket.) So while you may be right, I don't know for sure at the moment.

EDIT:

BlvdKing, This is from your link at Ace's:

Looks like voltage is the only thing preventing this Tualatin from running in BX chipset based boards. I wouldn't mind running a BE6-II/Tualatin combo at 1.5GHz+. Im just surprised that early 815 based boards will not work with it and the BX does. I guess we will have to wait and see.

So, it seems that somebody's been able to get it to run on a BX. I would loooovvve to try it on mine. 😀 I'd be happy simply to run it at stock speed - much better than my Celly 533A@880. I wonder if the 512 kb cache versions will be as compatible.
 
OK, OK, I fail to see what all the fuss is about.

1) Tualalatin will make a bigger splash in the notebook market...not the desktop market from what I understand
2) Isn't it true that the Tualatin for desktops will be mostly for OEM and not for retail customers?
3) Tualatin is not the Thunderbird/Palomino's competitor. That's what the Pentium 4 is for.
4) Desktop Palominos will be here soon and they will be starting at 1.5GHz and will ramp from there.
5) Intel does not want the Tualatin to overshadow it's Pentium 4 line, so if Athlon/Athlon 4 > Pentium 4, then Athlon/Athlon 4 > Tualatin in the long run
6) Anand's latest 760MP review shows a single 1.2GHz Athlon 4 MP giving the 1.33GHz Athlon a run for the money in some benches. Imagine it at 1.5GHz.
7) Don't Tualatins require the use of a new i815EP motherboard? Meaning, no BX for you
8) Intel chips don't come cheap

Don't get me wrong, Tualtin does appear to be a nice chip...but only if you plan on getting a new motherboard to go along with it or if your current motherboard happens to support it (which seems kinda unlikely given all the recent announcements of new Tualatin capable motherboards).




<< iNSANE, (not a &quot;must read&quot😉
I've be reading anand forum for 4 months, and from the bottom of my heart i say
&quot;YOUR ARE THE BIGGEST A$$-HOLE HERE&quot;

I've seen people defent/attack the Intel/AMD with reasonable facts and good behavior

Your posts are soooo childish, like you where 7 years old with -40points of IQ. >>


Damn dude, that was a bit harsh
 


<<

<< i thought tualatin needed a whole new socket.. >>


From Tom's:

It may have the same socket (Socket370) as the good old Coppermine, but it requires a different I/O-voltage and thus a different chipset. Right now, you need a new version of Intel's 815 chipset (i815 EP B-stepping) to run the new PIII. Current PIII-boards won't be able to host the new breed.

I'm not sure I understand his statement. My mobo is BX, yet it supports 1.5 V natively. (It's a Slot 1 with a FC-PGA slocket.) So while you may be right, I don't know for sure at the moment. >>



Toms is being kinda vague there. but i guess i wouldnt want to run .13 chip on a bx though. while it may support 1.5v, what about i/o v?
 
in all honesty, how can anyone expect intel not to come out with anything bigger and/or better? both co's will, and do come out with better and faster, and one day it will be intel, the next amd...etc. just think if it this way, if thenew intel cpu will be as cheap and is as fast or faster than the amd counterparts, then you can be assured that it is the better choice for people who want the latest and greatest, but if amd still remains cheaper and faster or at least as fast as intel, then you will have people that recommened amd because of those very reasons.
i dont care which way i go, so long as it doesnt cost a few grand for a stupid PC, and its stable.
loosbrew
 


<< OK, OK, I fail to see what all the fuss is about.

1) Tualalatin will make a bigger splash in the notebook market...not the desktop market from what I understand
2) Isn't it true that the Tualatin for desktops will be mostly for OEM and not for retail customers?
3) Tualatin is not the Thunderbird/Palomino's competitor. That's what the Pentium 4 is for.
4) Desktop Palominos will be here soon and they will be starting at 1.5GHz and will ramp from there.
5) Intel does not want the Tualatin to overshadow it's Pentium 4 line, so if Athlon/Athlon 4 > Pentium 4, then Athlon/Athlon 4 > Tualatin in the long run
>>



now that makes sense. haha, nsf4 seems to be the most knowledgable here.. =) makes sense though, p4 is out, and tualatin is upgrading cpus for laptops. thats all there is to it.
 
OK, OK, I fail to see what all the fuss is about.Well, it would breathe life into my aging computer, without much cost. Otherwise, I wonder if I can find a PIII 1 GHz FC-PGA somewhere cheap.
IIRC the new chip's I/O voltage is the problem, not its core voltage.What's the i/o on the thing?
 
is it just me, or does everyone here want intel and amd to move mountains for them and give it to them for 39 cents?

everyone wants something for nothing...IMO, save money...
 


<< OK, OK, I fail to see what all the fuss is about.Well, it would breathe life into my aging computer, without much cost. Otherwise, I wonder if I can find a PIII 1 GHz FC-PGA somewhere cheap. >>


But doesn't Tualatin require a new motherboard?? If it didn't require a new motherboard, why are all of these annoucements be made for Tualtin capable motherboards from Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, etc. coming through.

If it was a simple as a BIOS update to support the Tualatin, we wouldn't be seeing annoucements for yet MORE i815 motherboards.
 


<< But doesn't Tualatin require a new motherboard?? If it didn't require a new motherboard, why are all of these annoucements be made for Tualtin capable motherboards from Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, etc. coming through. >>

That's what I'm wondering. However, there are several reports out there that Tualatin runs on BX. I dunno which boards, and how much of this info is reliable, though. It's also interesting to note that Asus has always flatly stated that my motherboard revision will not work at all with Coppermine or Celerymine. Yet, it works fine.

Can't help but hope. 😉
 
All marketing from intel my friends. If you get a new mobo you can get better a p4 mobo and buy a p4 system. It's also to breath new air to the 815 platform, which is also quite for a while.
 
&quot;Long life Intel&quot;

Yeah! LONG LIFE INTEL! LONG LIFE INTEL!

😉



&quot;If you don't own or operate either AMD or Intel, haven't designed logic for either company, and don't make design decisions regarding new technology...how can you possibly be so passionate about which company has superior technology.&quot;

Yeah, I've never understood the zealotry. I have a vested interest, and I'm not nearly as interested in what other people buy as some people.

Well, I guess I do understand. When I was 14, I too was a zealot. Mopar was the best, and if you owned a chevy you had no idea what you were doing. Hmmm... Now that I think about it, that still holds true. 😛
 
It's interesting that it may run on a BX but not on an i815 <inserts foot in mouth>. It would be a really nice upgrade for BX owners if this is the case.
 
Intel stated it required a new chipset to support the Tualatin. Something about some of the pins are different and therefore can not be supported by current socket 370 MB. I not to sure if this rules out slot one MB where you can use a slocket. It may be possible to produce a slocket with the necessary changes made to get it to work. I guess we have to wait and see what happens.

Has for these numbers, nothing is getting whooped here. An equally clocked Athlon would perform very similarly to those scores, if not improve on them a bit.
 


<< All marketing from intel my friends. If you get a new mobo you can get better a p4 mobo and buy a p4 system. It's also to breath new air to the 815 platform, which is also quite for a while. >>



What language are you typing?😕

 
GUTB perhaps?

😉

Mayor ass huh?

Well, I could give a daYm about if it beats it but 100 points on some benchmark. Besides, when you look at it, that 90mhz will make some different on a benchmark.

Looks like intel and AMD are still head to head.
 


<< Intel stated it required a new chipset to support the Tualatin. Something about some of the pins are different and therefore can not be supported by current socket 370 MB. I not to sure if this rules out slot one MB where you can use a slocket. It may be possible to produce a slocket with the necessary changes made to get it to work. I guess we have to wait and see what happens. >>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Celeron II run on non-FCPGA boards? Anyways, I have a Slot 1 mobo so even FCPGA or PPGA is pin incompatible with Tualatin, I can still have something to hope for.

Here are some thoughts from overclockers.com for those who missed them a few weeks back.

And here is that previously posted Chinese article.
 
You guys realize that if anybody wins this war all we are gonna see is higher prices. Lets hope it goes on forever. 🙂
 
insane

Keep in mind that Sandra is a 100% synthetic benchmark and has no meaning in real life. Wait until a full review is done with real world benchmarks. Then we can say whether or not it will &quot;smash&quot; the Athlon. And Tom's site is a little biased towards Intel so take his reviews with a grain of salt.
 


<< insane

Keep in mind that Sandra is a 100% synthetic benchmark and has no meaning in real life. Wait until a full review is done with real world benchmarks. Then we can say whether or not it will &quot;smash&quot; the Athlon. And Tom's site is a little biased towards Intel so take his reviews with a grain of salt. >>



Biased towards intel???? 😕

I have heard tom accused of being an amd zealot many time but this is new...
 
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