TSA strip searches 7 year old

[LumbergTech]

Tell the ALCU and Liberals to stop protesting the use of profiling, then there would not be a need to randomly xray/pat down travelers.

are you really dense enough to think they arent profiling?

 

[ch33zw1z]

No fucking way would they EVER strip search my child. Ludicrous. I'll stick to driving from now on.

 

[JSt0rm]

You don't approve Dave? According to Shira and JSt0rm that makes you a neocon. *forums implode* LOL.

I was referring to your cognitive dissonance. But you knew that already.

 

[JSt0rm]

No fucking way would they EVER strip search my child. Ludicrous. I'll stick to driving from now on.

It's already been established earlier in the thread that the tsa officer didn't strip search. But of course the womens circle has to get all enraged and jibber jabber amongst themselves.

I dont agree with the tsa and I choose liberty over getting my balls raised up but there are real issues to be addressed and this isnt one of them. Carry on chicken littles.

 

[shira]

Tell the ALCU and Liberals to stop protesting the use of profiling, then there would not be a need to randomly xray/pat down travelers.

And if the latest and greatest info tells the experts that terrorists are going to hide explosives under the garments of a child . . . ?

Or are you referring to the profiling that has us pull only those damn AY-rab types out of the lines, and leave the rest of us REAL Americans alone?

 

[irishScott]

And if the latest and greatest info tells the experts that terrorists are going to hide explosives under the garments of a child . . . ?

Or are you referring to the profiling that has us pull only those damn AY-rab types out of the lines, and leave the rest of us REAL Americans alone?

Then profile looking for someone acting like a terrorist with a kid. Sounds inexact, but if done right it works.

And yes, part of that profiling might be by race. So long as it's accurate, who cares?

 

[irishScott]

You know what, I'll profile right now.

All of the 9/11 hijackers were from the middle east. Given that the majority of terrorist groups we're concerned about hail from that region it is reasonable to assume that future 9/11-style hijackers will probably be from the middle east.

In other news, if there's an epidemic of a disease you don't force antibiotics down everyone's throat and just let the sick roam free, you quarantine the sick. ZOMG DISEASEISM!!!

 

[OutHouse]

This would make flying so much easier on all of us …
Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the airports:
All we need to do is develop a booth that you can step into that will not x-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have hidden on or in your body. The explosion will be contained within the sealed booth.
This would be a win-win for everyone. There would be none of this crap about racial profiling and the device would eliminate long and expensive trials.
I can see it now: you're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system, "Attention standby passengers, we now have a seat available on flight number..."
Works for me!

 

[alphatarget1]

Tell the ALCU and Liberals to stop protesting the use of profiling, then there would not be a need to randomly xray/pat down travelers.

Profiling doesn't even need to be racial for it to work. I don't see why anybody should be against behavioral profiling. There is a ton of research done on behavior in the past 50 years. Write some algorithms to recognize certain patterns of travelers' faces taken by security cameras. Basically, do security like the Israelis do.

TSA = fail. I don't even care if the youtube video is a misrepresentation to what happened to the boy. Anything that brings the public's attention to this corrupt, idiotic organization is a good thing.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It's already been established earlier in the thread that the tsa officer didn't strip search. But of course the womens circle has to get all enraged and jibber jabber amongst themselves.

I dont agree with the tsa and I choose liberty over getting my balls raised up but there are real issues to be addressed and this isnt one of them. Carry on chicken littles.

It's the thought that counts.

 

[Indiana Jane]

My point was that the UK government tends to be a little more towards the Orwellian side of the spectrum. And the UK citizens tend to suck it right up.

My problem isn't that the methods are counter-terrorist, it's that they are horrendously inefficient at best. What we need to do is profiling Israeli style. This kid wasn't patted down because they thought he was a terrorist, he was patted down because the TSA is too afraid of the political ramifications of profiling. To re-phrase, the TSA would rather grope random children, handicapped senior citizens, and erstwhile innocent people than be accused of bias in profiling. The latter of which would, as proven by the Israelis, actually prevent terrorism.

I have problems with a system where children are groped by strangers because of political correctness. The only way to make pat-downs as effective as profiling is to do them on everyone. Not random picks, everyone. Even the TSA isn't crazy enough to try and pull that yet.




In any case, drunk driving kills many times more American and UK citizens every year than terrorism. Maybe we should put mandatory breathalyzers in all cars? Never know if the person getting behind the wheel is drunk or not.

It was not the Uk Government, that ordered my sons trousers to be dropped, for him to be fully examined.

It was not the Uk Government, that ordered my bra to be removed and my breasts to be fully fondled, my underwear to be removed. Whats that saying? It twas a sight for sore eyes haha!

Now i can understand why these things had to be done and i cant complain about how we were treated during that 2 hour process. However, it was ordered by guess who? *Points to over the pond*
Both Countries have their Orwellian side of the spectrum with different things.
So i guess that means we all at times, have to suck different things implemented by different Governments right up. Or pay the consequences.

There is a huge difference to a gentle pat down, which is what this young lad had, to a groping. Does the lad actually look distressed in anyway shape or form in that video? Nope.

As for mandatory breathalysers in cars thats crazy talk! Remind me never to vote for you, if you ever decided to go into politics xD

 

[spittledip]

The problem with you people is that you are over-sexualized and interpret this in a sexual way. Bombs or body searches. Take your pick.

 

[nick1985]

The problem with you people is that you are over-sexualized and interpret this in a sexual way. Bombs or body searches. Take your pick.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-Ben F.

 

[spittledip]

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-Ben F.

This is essential liberty? I really don't see how this is essential liberty. Those with wisdom recognize that American's ridiculous obsession with "liberty" and "freedom" will work toward the destruction of America. So let the bombs come in and kill thousands of Americans so that you can have your "essential liberty."

 

[Darwin333]

The problem with you people is that you are over-sexualized and interpret this in a sexual way. Bombs or body searches. Take your pick.

What bombs? Have the body searches found any, or TSA in general for that matter? How many?

 

[Cuda1447]

if the dad had nothing hidden on his kid, why did he allow the search? its because he thinks by taking his kids shirt off he will have a safer flight. the illusion of safety is deadly to freedom- this was true 300 years ago and its still true today.

Wow, you're not that dumb are you? He took his kids shirt off, not because he felt safer, but because he wanted to get on the god damned flight and they wouldn't let him otherwise.

 

[Darwin333]

This is essential liberty? I really don't see how this is essential liberty. Those with wisdom recognize that American's ridiculous obsession with "liberty" and "freedom" will work toward the destruction of America. So let the bombs come in and kill thousands of Americans so that you can have your "essential liberty."

Some of us aren't afraid of the big bad wolf. Do you really live your life in that much fear? Every time you go to a crowded area do you break out in cold sweats because the big bad wolf might be getting ready to blow the place up? Why go through the trouble of sneaking bombs onto 10 planes or so to kill thousands when you can put a much bigger bomb in your samsonite and roll it right on up to the checkpoint and go bang, killing many more people AND taking out the security scanners/TSA agents while never even talking to security which would impede travel much more than a plane blowing up in the sky?

Do you piss yourself while waiting in that line or does it just dribble out a little at a time, afterall the big bad wolf could be right in front of you!

 

[alkemyst]

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-Ben F.

He was never talking about children which there neglect in upbringing is about 90% of the cause in this.

I don't know of any non-rural area in the US that doesn't have a gang problem...the sad part is most of the citizens in those areas don't realize they have gangs.

 

[her209]

Using out of context video to scare the people about the TSA... nice!

 

[spittledip]

What bombs? Have the body searches found any, or TSA in general for that matter? How many?

I don't think any TSA searches have found any, but I think you are not dishonest enough to deny those who have been caught in the last few years. Not many are going to try, but it only takes one successful attempt to kill a ton of people.

Some of us aren't afraid of the big bad wolf. Do you really live your life in that much fear? Every time you go to a crowded area do you break out in cold sweats because the big bad wolf might be getting ready to blow the place up? Why go through the trouble of sneaking bombs onto 10 planes or so to kill thousands when you can put a much bigger bomb in your samsonite and roll it right on up to the checkpoint and go bang, killing many more people AND taking out the security scanners/TSA agents while never even talking to security which would impede travel much more than a plane blowing up in the sky?

Do you piss yourself while waiting in that line or does it just dribble out a little at a time, afterall the big bad wolf could be right in front of you!

I am not afraid of terrorists, but recognize that it is necessary to put certain things in place to prevent attacks. I recognize that inconvenience and a bit of discomfort is a small price to pay to help ensure that lives are not lost at the hands of a terrorist. So you are essentially saying you value the lives of passengers less than being slightly inconvenienced and made a bit uncomfortable for a small moment?

You are either grossly selfish or incredibly insecure or maybe a bit of both. How someone could place their comfort above the lives of others is beyond me.

 

[CycloWizard]

And if the latest and greatest info tells the experts that terrorists are going to hide explosives under the garments of a child . . . ?

The latest intelligence indicates that the explosives are hidden in your wife's underwear. Why don't you go sit over there while we implement our new security probes?

 

[shira]

Then profile looking for someone acting like a terrorist with a kid. Sounds inexact, but if done right it works.

And yes, part of that profiling might be by race. So long as it's accurate, who cares?

And if the profile says a child traveling with an adult is a likely strategy that will be used by terrorists . . . ? Or does "acting like a terrorist" mean wearing a "Death to the USA" T-shirt?

 

[shira]

The latest intelligence indicates that the explosives are hidden in your wife's underwear. Why don't you go sit over there while we implement our new security probes?

Thanks for responding to my question with a non-answer. You clueless tools ALWAYS give non-answers when your misguided outrage finds itself painted into a corner.

 

[Darwin333]

I don't think any TSA searches have found any, but I think you are not dishonest enough to deny those who have been caught in the last few years. Not many are going to try, but it only takes one successful attempt to kill a ton of people.

They have already demonstrated a technique that will defeat the current "improved" security measures quite easily. With that in mind, have they made you any safer or have they just made you think you are safer?

I am not afraid of terrorists, but recognize that it is necessary to put certain things in place to prevent attacks. I recognize that inconvenience and a bit of discomfort is a small price to pay to help ensure that lives are not lost at the hands of a terrorist. So you are essentially saying you value the lives of passengers less than being slightly inconvenienced and made a bit uncomfortable for a small moment?

You are either grossly selfish or incredibly insecure or maybe a bit of both. How someone could place their comfort above the lives of others is beyond me.

So why is it we only care about airplanes? Why not the mass of humans that the security creates? Why not malls? Outdoor concerts? Festivals? Using your logic pretty much any place that has 200 or more people at once should have a TSA checkpoint in order to enter.

Furthermore, if your concern is saving lives then why aren't you advocating the TSA be in your bathroom? You are more likely to be harmed or killed while taking a bath then you are from a terrorist on US soil. Statistically, less then 400 people a year over the last 10 years have died from terrorists on US soil. That is absurdly low. Damn near everything you do during the course of your day carries more risk. Being injured or killed due to a terrorist on a plane ranks up there with checking your mail on the risk scale.

So, why are YOU so selfish as to waste all those resources NOT saving lives when they could be used to secure you and your family from the dangers of your bathtub? They could inspect it for proper function before each use and once you or your family member begins taking a bath they can read the safety instruction card that tells them how to operate the faucet, drain, shower, etc. and they can remind you to hold your breath before going underwater and to wait until you are back above the waters surface to breath again. If anything goes wrong during the course of you or your family members bath they will be right there willing and able to offer assistance.

I bet you think that the risks involved with taking a bath are acceptable though and that only relatively small actions/steps are required to mitigate most of that risk (perhaps adding some of those non-slip things to the bottom). If so, why is the more dangerous of the two (flying and bathing) an acceptable risk while the other is not?

 

[CycloWizard]

Thanks for responding to my question with a non-answer. You clueless tools ALWAYS give non-answers when your misguided outrage finds itself painted into a corner.

Arguing with blatant stupidity is an exercise in futility. I stopped trying to argue with you months ago. No one can simultaneously claim to be an engineer and that any of these measures are effective, as any engineer worth a damn knows exactly how useless they are.