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GodlessAstronomer

GodlessAstronomer

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JSt0rm said:
No im not telling him hes wrong. His opinion is very valid as i hope he is an expert on the subject. However I'm sure his opinion isnt the only one. You all have clinged to his opinion because it reinforces your preconceived notions. What I'm saying is, yes we should probably make changes but to implement your idea or some of the other ideas listed here would be kinda dumb and not productive. I then pointed out that only idiots would think they could come up with a idea to fix a highly complicated situation in 3 minutes with no real world information. I make no claims as to the solutions regarding this problem as I have no experience, technical understand or real interest in the solution beyond me sitting in a airport. This however doesn't disallow me from pointing out how idiotic you all look posturing this way.

Yes I'm the dumb one.
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So when you disagree with experts it's a difference of opinion, but when someone you disagree with disagrees with experts it's ignorance. Intredasting.
 
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Darwin333

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JSt0rm said:
So you want to expand tsa to guard every mall in america? lmao. I think the point of the tsa is to make sure no one ever turns a aircraft into a giant missile again. Everything else is just fluff.
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1. Fortify cockpit doors
2. Add good lock to door
3. Engage the fucking lock
4. Profit?

Oh yeah, that is already in place per FAA regulation (pretty sure its FAA).


So riddle me this, if one has absolutely no access to the cockpit from the time the cabin door is shut until it is open againt how does one turn the plane into a flying missile? And you can kill all the people in the cabin that you want to, after 9/11 no pilot is going to open the door and turn control of the aircraft over. He is going to land the plane exactly as he is instructed to.


And you are still wrong about the "point" of the TSA. The entire point was to remove the liability from the airlines and prevent them from being sued into oblivion should one of their planes be hijacked/blown up/whatever.
 
JSt0rm

JSt0rm

Lifer
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GodlessAstronomer said:
So when you disagree with experts it's a difference of opinion, but when someone you disagree with disagrees with experts it's ignorance. Intredasting.
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Im not disagreeing or agreeing with what this expert has to say. I need more information before forming an opinion on this subject.

What i am disagreeing with is the ignorance of the posters here who think they know how to fix something based on this one bit of information. This is a pattern that repeats itself over and over and over around here.
 
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Darwin333

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drebo said:
Er...they don't, really.

There are private terminals at every runway and passengers and planes are never searched at these terminals.

You could learn how to fly a Cesna, rent one, load it up with 500lbs of high explosive, and then fly it 5 minutes from JFK to Yankee Stadium and crash it during a game. BAM. 50k people dead, and you don't even have to file a flightplan with the FCC.

Tell me, how is that an effective deterent?

As I've stated 100s of times, the goal of terrorists is not death count. It's TERROR...it's to change our way of life. And at that, we have let them succeed past their wildest hopes.
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Frankly I would think that setting off a big ass bomb in a rolling suitcase full of ball bearings in line while waiting for the TSA to grope you would cause more damage, fatalities AND terror then blowing up an actual plane. Like I have previously stated, commercial airlines can no longer be used as missiles unless the pilot or copilot decide to do so themselves. In that case, you are pretty much fucked no matter how many times the TSA plays with your junk.
 
xj0hnx

xj0hnx

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Darwin333 said:
Frankly I would think that setting off a big ass bomb in a rolling suitcase full of ball bearings in line while waiting for the TSA to grope you would cause more damage, fatalities AND terror then blowing up an actual plane. Like I have previously stated, commercial airlines can no longer be used as missiles unless the pilot or copilot decide to do so themselves. In that case, you are pretty much fucked no matter how many times the TSA plays with your junk.
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This is exactly what I am talking about, the idiotic notion that you need to make it through TSA to cause terror is ridiculous.
 
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drebo

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GodlessAstronomer said:
Everyone single country on Earth that has public health care pays less for it than your private version, and with less waste. So there's that...
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Consider that government bureaucracy and policy is the REASON our health care costs so much.

Without Medicare and MediCal, our health care would be far, far cheaper...as it was up until the early 90s.
 
JSt0rm

JSt0rm

Lifer
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drebo said:
Consider that government bureaucracy and policy is the REASON our health care costs so much.

Without Medicare and MediCal, our health care would be far, far cheaper...as it was up until the early 90s.
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And without taxes we would have more jobs!
 
alkemyst

alkemyst

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messed up how today in the Palm Beach Post (newspaper) they report our local TSA's were part of a huge oxycotin cartel.

I have known about 6 people now in the last 5ish years that suffered several 'luggage losses'...the airlines are unresponsive in it and have limited claims harshly.

Patriot Act was a blow to our constitution and the sheep wallow in it.
 
alkemyst

alkemyst

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GodlessAstronomer said:
Everyone single country on Earth that has public health care pays less for it than your private version, and with less waste. So there's that...
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YET everyone with more than a few kangaroo nuts in their pocket pays big bucks to come to the GOOD OLD USA for major medical (still Korea for cosmetic surgery a lot of the time).

Your argument is one of socializing the planet. I don't want that bullshit.
 
Schadenfroh

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Metal detector + random Israeli behavior-detection procedures + (maybe) bomb-sniffing dog pacing the lines = as safe as one can hope to be against an enemy that does not care if he dies.
 
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alphatarget1

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Schadenfroh said:
Metal detector + random Israeli behavior-detection procedures + (maybe) bomb-sniffing dog pacing the lines = as safe as one can hope to be against an enemy that does not care if he dies.
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But that would make too much sense and Michael Chertoff's company wouldn't make any money!!!!!!
 
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Eos

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I'm not as educated as a lot of people, but it would seem to me that reactive is the worst thing to be in this kind of endeavor. Proactive minds, who can imagine the worst that other humans are capable of, are people that the TSA needs in charge.
 
JSt0rm

JSt0rm

Lifer
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BoberFett said:
Not to mention Jstorm's disapproval, which is ultimately the most important factor.
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I love your hate for me. It makes me feel good to have hurt you so deeply just with my keyboard in my down time.

Kisses.
 
JD50

JD50

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BoberFett said:
And in the OP, one of the people responsible for the TSA, meaning someone who actually gets paid to think about it, said it's ineffectual and you're telling him he's wrong.

Could you get any dumber?
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haha, epic self ownage on this one. All the back pedaling after this post is pretty funny too.
 
JSt0rm

JSt0rm

Lifer
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JD50 said:
haha, epic self ownage on this one. All the back pedaling after this post is pretty funny too.
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hahaha keep reading dumb fuck.

Or go watch some football and drink a 6 pack - redneck.
 
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