Trump's US Supreme Court Nominee Thread

[Starbuck1975]

So, burn it down & figure out how to fix it afterwards?

Well the Democrats signed it into law and figured out how to make it work afterwards. Seems like a waste of effort to keep putting bandaids over it or have the GOP whittle away at it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well the Democrats signed it into law and figured out how to make it work afterwards. Seems like a waste of effort to keep putting bandaids over it or have the GOP whittle away at it.

Not quite. Democrats signed it into law & Republicans figured out how to cripple it afterwards. They're not done yet, either. If they can win the pending SCOTUS case & hold any part of the federal govt then the fuckage will be epic, trickle down capitalism being what it is.

 

[Grey_Beard]

Well the Democrats signed it into law and figured out how to make it work afterwards. Seems like a waste of effort to keep putting bandaids over it or have the GOP whittle away at it.

But they had a law. So you think it’s easier to do when you no longer have said law? It’s more likely once it’s gone they have no urgency to do anything. It’s not like they have not put forth multiple repeals of said law with no communication as to what would replace it. But, hey, they’ll do something. I just hope no one you care about needs something while they “work” on the replacement. Oh it will be wonderful. The best, cheapest system ever.

 

[Starbuck1975]

But they had a law. So you think it’s easier to do when you no longer have said law? It’s more likely once it’s gone they have no urgency to do anything. It’s not like they have not put forth multiple repeals of said law with no communication as to what would replace it. But, hey, they’ll do something. I just hope no one you care about needs something while they “work” on the replacement. Oh it will be wonderful. The best, cheapest system ever.

I think Americans got a taste of what healthcare could be, but Obamacare will never achieve parity with the systems enjoyed by just about every other developed nation because of its inherent flaws. Take Trump out of the equation, and I doubt our health care system would have performed that much better in response to COVID even under a competent President. I am talking about the scenario of a Biden Presidency, a Democratic Congress but a conservative SCOTUS. Having SCOTUS kill the ACA would do the Democrats a favor in furthering the push for single payer.

 

[Sunburn74]

I think Americans got a taste of what healthcare could be, but Obamacare will never achieve parity with the systems enjoyed by just about every other developed nation because of its inherent flaws. Take Trump out of the equation, and I doubt our health care system would have performed that much better in response to COVID even under a competent President. I am talking about the scenario of a Biden Presidency, a Democratic Congress but a conservative SCOTUS. Having SCOTUS kill the ACA would do the Democrats a favor in furthering the push for single payer.

Do you honestly think if the Dems passed a single payer system the GOP wouldnt relentlessly attack it and try and rip it down?

The ACA is grossly flawed but it takes steps in the right direction.

 

[Grey_Beard]

I think Americans got a taste of what healthcare could be, but Obamacare will never achieve parity with the systems enjoyed by just about every other developed nation because of its inherent flaws. Take Trump out of the equation, and I doubt our health care system would have performed that much better in response to COVID even under a competent President. I am talking about the scenario of a Biden Presidency, a Democratic Congress but a conservative SCOTUS. Having SCOTUS kill the ACA would do the Democrats a favor in furthering the push for single payer.

Since we can’t compete with another country’s system, why try. Heck if he everything he did but just centralized the federal government in the purchase of PPE, this would have been vastly different. For 30 years I did drills with local FD, EMS, PD, etc on these situations. They all relied on a federal coordinated effort. No locality can source PPE like the federal government. You clearly do not understand how the “system” works but claim to know about all theses other “systems.” Okay. Got it.

 

[sportage]

People are missing the point. Republicans and Donald Trump believed healthcare was absolutely fine and dandy before Obamacare. So to kill off ACA and replace with nothing is not a problem for republicans because America already had healthcare "before" Obamacare. To kill off the ACA would allow a return back to the choice of either employer based healthcare, or nothing at all. Exactly as they want it. THEY, being the congress that relies heavily on that "free" campaign money.

And think about it, Trump and republicans want to revert back to employer based healthcare as the one and only healthcare system so to force people back into the workplace only for the sake of having healthcare. The way Trump sees it, that would bolster Trump's economy with forcing people back to work, and would reduce unemployment in this Trump economy.

The fact that people had "other" options to obtain healthcare thru ACA is probably why Trump hates Obamacare so much. The insurance companies loved their for-profit healthcare system before Obamacare, and I'm sure the "for profit" healthcare providers will generously reward congressional republicans and the Trump administration when Obamacare has been fully destroyed. When people need healthcare, Trump's response will be.... GET A JOB.

As for pre-existing conditions and cap limits and allowing a child to have access to a parents policy, F*** THAT. Republicans on power will say "we never had those perks before Obamacare so why the hell should we have them after Obamacare?" Believe me.... there will be no "replace" after Obamacare is dead. Only the returning back to THE WAY IT WAS. And... a lot of lip-service from Trump on how Trump saved healthcare.

 

[PlanetJosh]

So the questioning at the hearings has to dance around religion I guess. And concentrate on conservatism or something along those lines. Like abolishing the ACA being a conservative point of view that should be addressed in questioning. Not that that's new in the thread.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Since we can’t compete with another country’s system, why try. Heck if he everything he did but just centralized the federal government in the purchase of PPE, this would have been vastly different. For 30 years I did drills with local FD, EMS, PD, etc on these situations. They all relied on a federal coordinated effort. No locality can source PPE like the federal government. You clearly do not understand how the “system” works but claim to know about all theses other “systems.” Okay. Got it.

When you’re done demonstrating how to put PPE on the straw man, we can resume this discussion.

 

[HomerJS]

So the questioning at the hearings has to dance around religion I guess. And concentrate on conservatism or something along those lines. Like abolishing the ACA being a conservative point of view that should be addressed in questioning. Not that that's new in the thread.

You don't have to attack her religion. You attack foisting her religious beliefs on others. That letter she penned supporting companies not including birth control on health coverage.

You can support her right not to practice birth control while attacking companies hiding behind religion to deny that coverage.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think Americans got a taste of what healthcare could be, but Obamacare will never achieve parity with the systems enjoyed by just about every other developed nation because of its inherent flaws. Take Trump out of the equation, and I doubt our health care system would have performed that much better in response to COVID even under a competent President. I am talking about the scenario of a Biden Presidency, a Democratic Congress but a conservative SCOTUS. Having SCOTUS kill the ACA would do the Democrats a favor in furthering the push for single payer.

I don't think President Hillary would have disbanded the NSC pandemic response team, ignored the problem, gaslit the public about the seriousness of the situation or politicized mask wearing. She wouldn't have retweeted various medical quacks or put them on the payroll, like Atlas. She probably wouldn't have done a lot of the truly incompetent things we've seen from Trump that increase the caseload & death total.

I mean, you probably won't be rallying with him, right?

 

[Grey_Beard]

When you’re done demonstrating how to put PPE on the straw man, we can resume this discussion.

So, instead of bringing in facts, your response is that the equipment that protects everyone from getting infected, even the front line health care workers is a “straw man.” Then I guess the mismanagement of the flow of supplies is good thing. You must have been one of those folks selling toilet paper on Fadbook for $100 per package. That is very capitalistic of you.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So, instead of bringing in facts, your response is that the equipment that protects everyone from getting infected, even the front line health care workers is a “straw man.” Then I guess the mismanagement of the flow of supplies is good thing. You must have been one of those folks selling toilet paper on Fadbook for $100 per package. That is very capitalistic of you.

Actually, I have family members who work in health care across a few different cities, and oddly enough, they don’t direct their ire at Trump...while they are certainly frustrated by some aspects of the federal response, they see the pandemic outcome as inevitable after years of warnings and inadequate prep for such a contingency. This is partially why South Korea weathered COVID well. They didn’t have a good outcome from prior pandemics, learned from it and has a multi tiered strategy in place to respond to future pandemics. Germany lucked out because its corporations partnered with health care and government to assist with critical early testing and contact tracing to snuff out clusters before they could spread.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

right, which is why you won't get it from science--biology or medicine. There is no absolution, because a neurologist will tell you something different from a cardiologist. An immunologist has their own idea about how life works. ....I'm a geneticist by trade and experience...and most of that has to do with reproductive biology.

taj won't like my perspective, and those that I have worked with and spoken with and attended seminars with and published with and well, pretty much spend all of our working hours figuring out how this actually works, but then taj is also very ignorant and stupid.

I really don't care what your perspective is, the scientific answer of when does human life begin is at conception. Period, full stop. You can make any other claim you care to, but it wouldn't be science, it would be your opinion and it would be incorrect.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

When it’s human, at birth.

That is not science. It's also not accurate and a political opinion. Science says that all mammalian life begins at conception. You do believe in science don't you ? You do believe that science is the final arbiter of fact?

 

[Grey_Beard]

That is not science. It's also not accurate and a political opinion. Science says that all mammalian life begins at conception.

What science are you talking about? If cell division and multiplication is life, then that starts well before conception. Why do we take out cancer? Is that not life based on this definition?

 

[HomerJS]

I really don't care what your perspective is, the scientific answer of when does human life begin is at conception. Period, full stop. You can make any other claim you care to, but it wouldn't be science, it would be your opinion and it would be incorrect.

Can you give birth without ever getting pregnant?

 

[Grey_Beard]

Actually, I have family members who work in health care across a few different cities, and oddly enough, they don’t direct their ire at Trump...while they are certainly frustrated by some aspects of the federal response, they see the pandemic outcome as inevitable after years of warnings and inadequate prep for such a contingency. This is partially why South Korea weathered COVID well. They didn’t have a good outcome from prior pandemics, learned from it and has a multi tiered strategy in place to respond to future pandemics. Germany lucked out because its corporations partnered with health care and government to assist with critical early testing and contact tracing to snuff out clusters before they could spread.

Glad that they do not. Seems that they have not participated in the drills I mentioned nor did they sit with county and State officials discussing this response or help write procedure and policy for county and State officials, as well as providers.

So where did that “... inadequate prep for such a contingency.” come from? Did their employer not stock pile enough? Did they not mock drill enough? Did their annual education not include PPE and pandemic education?

Everything you mention ignores the reality that we did learn something from past pandemics, like South Korea. Actually, we wrote the book on how to respond that South Korea uses. You’re unreal. After H1N1 we put active personnel in China to get information quickly and to assist the Chinese with their response. These positions were removed. By guess who? He said they weren’t necessary. But why send our ire at him. It’s Chyna’s fault. Just like in the 1918 Flu, it was Fort Riley, Kansas’ fault. I am sure there is an internet “source” you have read that states otherwise. Great critical thinking.

 

[hal2kilo]

Glad that they do not. Seems that they have not participated in the drills I mentioned nor did they sit with county and State officials discussing this response or help write procedure and policy for county and State officials, as well as providers.

So where did that “... inadequate prep for such a contingency.” come from? Did their employer not stock pile enough? Did they not mock drill enough? Did their annual education not include PPE and pandemic education?

Everything you mention ignores the reality that we did learn something from past pandemics, like South Korea. Actually, we wrote the book on how to respond that South Korea uses. You’re unreal. After H1N1 we put active personnel in China to get information quickly and to assist the Chinese with their response. These positions were removed. By guess who? He said they weren’t necessary. But why send our ire at him. It’s Chyna’s fault. Just like in the 1918 Flu, it was Fort Riley, Kansas’ fault. I am sure there is an internet “source” you have read that states otherwise. Great critical thinking.

To quote a line from The Empire Strikes Back, "It's a trap". You will learn.

 

[Grey_Beard]

To quote a line from The Empire Strikes Back, "It's a trap". You will learn.

I will ignore them from now on. Over it. There are many sources that can verify what I said, if anyone feels the need to.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Glad that they do not. Seems that they have not participated in the drills I mentioned nor did they sit with county and State officials discussing this response or help write procedure and policy for county and State officials, as well as providers.

So where did that “... inadequate prep for such a contingency.” come from? Did their employer not stock pile enough? Did they not mock drill enough? Did their annual education not include PPE and pandemic education?

PPE is part of it, but also the concept of war stocks but for pandemic preparedness, inadequate beds, the ability to rapidly stand up triage centers to remove symptomatic patients from the general population, etc.

Everything you mention ignores the reality that we did learn something from past pandemics, like South Korea. Actually, we wrote the book on how to respond that South Korea uses. You’re unreal. After H1N1 we put active personnel in China to get information quickly and to assist the Chinese with their response. These positions were removed. By guess who? He said they weren’t necessary. But why send our ire at him. It’s Chyna’s fault. Just like in the 1918 Flu, it was Fort Riley, Kansas’ fault. I am sure there is an internet “source” you have read that states otherwise. Great critical thinking.

Yes Trump not only fumbled the federal response, but handicapped it by removing the very federal positions in place to manage a pandemic. That doesn’t change the fact that our health care system, already strained to the limits of its capacity, took a pandemic broadside, and if we’re going to use critical thinking, it should extend beyond the White House to state capitols and mayor’s offices as well.

 

[Starbuck1975]

To quote a line from The Empire Strikes Back, "It's a trap". You will learn.

I believe you meant RoTJ.

 

[Grey_Beard]

PPE is part of it, but also the concept of war stocks but for pandemic preparedness, inadequate beds, the ability to rapidly stand up triage centers to remove symptomatic patients from the general population, etc.

Yes Trump not only fumbled the federal response, but handicapped it by removing the very federal positions in place to manage a pandemic. That doesn’t change the fact that our health care system, already strained to the limits of its capacity, took a pandemic broadside, and if we’re going to use critical thinking, it should extend beyond the White House to state capitols and mayor’s offices as well.

War stocks??? I will respond like one of your idols, “I would not say you have the concept airtight, but it is just about airtight.”

 

[Starbuck1975]

War stocks??? I will respond like one of your idols, “I would not say you have the concept airtight, but it is just about airtight.”

Who would that be

 

[HomerJS]

Actually, I have family members who work in health care across a few different cities, and oddly enough, they don’t direct their ire at Trump...while they are certainly frustrated by some aspects of the federal response, they see the pandemic outcome as inevitable after years of warnings and inadequate prep for such a contingency. This is partially why South Korea weathered COVID well. They didn’t have a good outcome from prior pandemics, learned from it and has a multi tiered strategy in place to respond to future pandemics. Germany lucked out because its corporations partnered with health care and government to assist with critical early testing and contact tracing to snuff out clusters before they could spread.

Did you tell those family members there was a pandemic response plan that Trump dumped? Think that would redirect some of their ire?