Grey_Beard
Golden Member
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Trump's US Supreme Court Nominee Thread
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Starbuck1975
Lifer
Poor analogy is poor. That’s why @hal2kilo liked it.
Grey_Beard
Golden Member
In a Wikipedia link? LOL. Lazy research is one of your strengths, but you call me out for reading. Nice civility there. I can see why you lean right. Again, even your lazy link showed that Reid moved on Federal courts and not SCOTUS. It’s about procedure. Do you say to your boss at work that the procedure we have here is more stringent than the law, therefore I do not have to adhere to it?
Grey_Beard
Golden Member
Explain how that is a poor analogy? It’s about escalation. Feel free to find another one that is better.
cytg111
Lifer
Thank god I am not the psych that gets to deprogram this.... fine human being.
hal2kilo
Lifer
It almost always comes as a spew. Like a Hannity list.
blackangst1
Lifer
What part of it is false? Show your work. Did you miss where I stated the Republicans modified the rule to include SCOTUS nominees? Guess so.
Oh...you want evidence beyond Wiki? How about Google? And you call ME lazy? LOL
Pointing out the hypocrisy in Republican words and actions is useless because they have fully embraced hypocrisy as an effective tool in their fight to hold onto and increase power.
A certain mindset doesn’t see this as doing anything wrong. It’s like when Trump cheats at golf. He doesn’t see it as cheating. He doesn’t feel he should have to win by having better golf skills. He wins by being more powerful than the people he’s playing golf with. He knows he can openly break the rules and the people he’s playing with won’t object because he’s Donald Trump. And he feels that’s a legitimate victory; winning by forcing the other players to let you cheat is just as valid as winning by playing the game better. Golf skills don’t translate off the course but power does.
And that’s the way people like Trump and McConnell conduct politics. They have no interest in playing by rules or being fair. They feel it’s a sign of how successful they are at politics that they don’t have to follow the rules or compromise. To them ... Following rules and fairness is what weak politicians have to do. Strong politicians can ignore the rules and nobody can stop them when they do it. They actually welcome opportunities to break the rules because it shows how strong they are.
To them .... Pushing through an unqualified religious partisan judge It’s worth losing control of Congress and the White House for a stretch. In fact, it’s what they do.
They don’t want the responsibility of cleaning up the enormous mess they’ve made. They don’t care about it at all. It’s part of the process. Just like they did to Obama after the disastrous 2 terms of GWB, the Republicans slither off to the sidelines and snipe, criticize, Benghazi and bitch, bitch, bitch. They fix nothing. They protect nothing. They steal us blind and tear down as many norms and institutions as they possibly can. Every time. And many Americans will fall for it. Again.
After their stuffed courts have destroyed voting rights, workers’ rights, health care, LGBTQ, gay rights, rights of minorities, Social Security, Medicare and anything else they can think of, Republicans will be back. The fix is already in. They know they are only out on a temporary basis. Welcome to your oligarchy, Russian style.
A certain mindset doesn’t see this as doing anything wrong. It’s like when Trump cheats at golf. He doesn’t see it as cheating. He doesn’t feel he should have to win by having better golf skills. He wins by being more powerful than the people he’s playing golf with. He knows he can openly break the rules and the people he’s playing with won’t object because he’s Donald Trump. And he feels that’s a legitimate victory; winning by forcing the other players to let you cheat is just as valid as winning by playing the game better. Golf skills don’t translate off the course but power does.
And that’s the way people like Trump and McConnell conduct politics. They have no interest in playing by rules or being fair. They feel it’s a sign of how successful they are at politics that they don’t have to follow the rules or compromise. To them ... Following rules and fairness is what weak politicians have to do. Strong politicians can ignore the rules and nobody can stop them when they do it. They actually welcome opportunities to break the rules because it shows how strong they are.
To them .... Pushing through an unqualified religious partisan judge It’s worth losing control of Congress and the White House for a stretch. In fact, it’s what they do.
They don’t want the responsibility of cleaning up the enormous mess they’ve made. They don’t care about it at all. It’s part of the process. Just like they did to Obama after the disastrous 2 terms of GWB, the Republicans slither off to the sidelines and snipe, criticize, Benghazi and bitch, bitch, bitch. They fix nothing. They protect nothing. They steal us blind and tear down as many norms and institutions as they possibly can. Every time. And many Americans will fall for it. Again.
After their stuffed courts have destroyed voting rights, workers’ rights, health care, LGBTQ, gay rights, rights of minorities, Social Security, Medicare and anything else they can think of, Republicans will be back. The fix is already in. They know they are only out on a temporary basis. Welcome to your oligarchy, Russian style.
hal2kilo
Lifer
Lies and hypocrisy is about what's left of the GOP.
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The answer to your question lies in your own link-
It also glosses over part of the story like it never happened-
2005 debate on nuclear option (United States Senate) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
HomerJS
Lifer
Because MItch filibustered most of Obamas judges without cause. Just like he held up Obama's nominee for almost a year.
Mitch McConnell Brags About Blocking Obama For 2 Years, Then Laughs About It
The Senate majority leader boasted about stacking the courts with conservative judges under Trump.
How many times do we need to address this. Reid nuked the filibuster for federal justice appointments because republicans had been filibustering at unprecedented levels and had committed to filibustering every single nominee Obama put forward. The filibuster has its purpose so long as it is being used in good faith by all parties. When rules are abused, sometimes there is no choice but to change them. All the dems are crying foul about is that republicans want different rules for them than for dems.
trenchfoot
Lifer
Clinging to power while stomping, pissing and crapping on the Constitution and the Rule of Law to make it happen will give the Repubs only a couple of ways to do it and you nailed it in ten words or less.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
Why bother with an analogy when the facts speak for themselves. We have an electorate that is a mix of indifference born from frustration and party line partisanship. The GOP is in the position they are in today because they have a more homogenous coalition and played a long ground game at the state level. However, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and all it took was a global pandemic and pied piper buffoon to change the playing field. You’ve decided that the GOP is your enemy, I don’t blame you for feeling that way. As an independent voter, I see petty hypocrisy from both sides. I’ve also come to accept that blind partisans dismiss such views as bothsiderism. The problem for them is that I don’t consider that label an insult.
blackangst1
Lifer
OK? Im not disagreeing.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
That is because it is. You are basically trying to say, 'No one is perfect, therefor you can't blame anyone for anything'.
It is a stupid argument, and we are not stupid people. We see right though it.
'this guy stole a loaf of bread to feed his family, and this guy murdered 100 women - We should treat them both the same because they both broke the law'. That is the logic of bothsiderism .
Starbuck1975
Lifer
No the logic of bothsiderism is to point out hypocrisy for what is is.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
hypocrisy - I don't think that word means what you think it means.
You talk about the GOP being absolutely corrupt, and the Republican President being a buffoon , then calmly state 'BothSides' as if that makes any sense.
ivwshane
Lifer
You only point out the hypocrisy of one side while explaining away the actions of the other side. “Both sides” is an excuse dishonest people use when they can’t argue the merits. “Both sides” also excuses the severity of actions in order to make comparisons, that’s laughably stupid which is why you get shit on so often.
You aren’t an independent, you are just ashamed to be affiliated with a party that turned to shit.
obidamnkenobi
Golden Member
The GOP is a party with the majority of the power (at the moment); the senate, POTUS, courts, governors. But with no coherent ideology or any idea what to do with this power. The party exists to get elected, but nothing beyond that, other than what gets them elected again!
The Democrats on the other hand have too many ideas, a jumbled mess, but very little power.
imported_tajmahal
Lifer
Definition of BORK
to attack or defeat (a nominee or candidate for public office) unfairly through an organized campaign of harsh public criticism or vilification… See the full definition
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Definition of bork
(Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb
US politics, informal
: to attack or defeat (a nominee or candidate for public office) unfairly through an organized campaign of harsh public criticism or vilificationIn any event, seeing one of their own being borked may itself energize the conservative base, even beyond what a conservative nomination would do.— Mark TushnetIn 1987, conservative judge Robert Bork endured such virulent criticism … that to this day, a nominee sidelined by activists is said to have been "borked."— Claire Suddath"
If you say so. lol
imported_tajmahal
Lifer
"buffoon" doesn't even begin to describe the mindlessness and impaired ability of Joe Biden. "there's no big there there"in his failed little mind.
ivwshane
Lifer
K1052
Elite Member
Definition of BORK
to attack or defeat (a nominee or candidate for public office) unfairly through an organized campaign of harsh public criticism or vilification… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
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Definition of bork
(Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb
US politics, informal
: to attack or defeat (a nominee or candidate for public office) unfairly through an organized campaign of harsh public criticism or vilificationIn any event, seeing one of their own being borked may itself energize the conservative base, even beyond what a conservative nomination would do.— Mark TushnetIn 1987, conservative judge Robert Bork endured such virulent criticism … that to this day, a nominee sidelined by activists is said to have been "borked."— Claire Suddath"
If you say so. lol
please
imported_tajmahal
Lifer
No, as usual you lied about what I had written and falsely misquoted me. Typical of the dishonesty featured by you.
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