Trump's son tweets name of alleged whistleblower

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Jaskalas

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Trump single handedly submitted all the evidence needed. The transcript alone should be revolting and sickening to all to read it. The transcript alone should be case closed in favor of impeaching the President. To any American who feels differently... thou art no kin of mine? I do not know what civil discourse remains, save waiting for the next election. Yet even then I know America permanently suffers a malaise of divided government, with inaction ruling the day no matter who is elected. In a basic sense, no election can have the practical effect of solving our issues. No leader can obtain a unified government. Of helping us move past our irreconcilable differences.

Outting the whistle blower is also disgusting. Especially in lieu of how fast the case has moved, how much evidence of the crime(s) has been brought forth and corroborated by actual witnesses in public testimony. The whistle blower is meaningless at this stage. Yet Republicans insist on smearing and attacking and painting a target on his back. Why is that target not also on my back? Is it not my own patriotic duty to stand for the institutions of America as he did? Is it not my duty to reject our criminal President, as he did?

I feel like a lesser American for not having a role to play, for not doing my duty for our nation. That this man stands in my stead, target on his back. I do not know if he is alone, per say, but given the focus and attention Republicans can spend on him it certainly feels like we have not done our part. That they think the law can begin and end with destroying a single public servant. I feel lesser knowing that they think so little so me as to not paint a target on my back as well. Where is our Spartacus moment in defending this man of honor and commitment to our nation? Where is our public duty?

Emotions feel high, and the want for civil discourse is at its limit. I am sure the "other side" feels similar with regards to where we stand. Their cheering on of criminal action stands testament to the end of our rule of law. For laws only truly exist by their enforcement, and by the civil discourse of voluntary compliance. By holding law breakers to account. Yet today we face the polar opposite of that. The end of our nation, that is the most frightening aspect of where this all leads. And I am afraid that ship has already sailed - just a matter of time now before we notice the missing foundation as water comes rushing in.

Amidst all this clamoring rancor, this partisan bickering... I do wonder now if this is but the calm - and the silence - before the storm?
 
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TheVrolok

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Puffnstuff

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Trump single handedly submitted all the evidence needed. The transcript alone should be revolting and sickening to all to read it. The transcript alone should be case closed in favor of impeaching the President. To any American who feels differently... thou art no kin of mine? I do not know what civil discourse remains, save waiting for the next election. Yet even then I know America permanently suffers a malaise of divided government, with inaction ruling the day no matter who is elected. In a basic sense, no election can have the practical effect of solving our issues. No leader can obtain a unified government. Of helping us move past our irreconcilable differences.

Outting the whistle blower is also disgusting. Especially in lieu of how fast the case has moved, how much evidence of the crime(s) has been brought forth and corroborated by actual witnesses in public testimony. The whistle blower is meaningless at this stage. Yet Republicans insist on smearing and attacking and painting a target on his back. Why is that target not also on my back? Is it not my own patriotic duty to stand for the institutions of America as he did? Is it not my duty to reject our criminal President, as he did?

I feel like a lesser American for not having a role to play, for not doing my duty for our nation. That this man stands in my stead, target on his back. I do not know if he is alone, per say, but given the focus and attention Republicans can spend on him it certainly feels like we have not done our part. That they think the law can begin and end with destroying a single public servant. I feel lesser knowing that they think so little so me as to not paint a target on my back as well. Where is our Spartacus moment in defending this man of honor and commitment to our nation? Where is our public duty?

Emotions feel high, and the want for civil discourse is at its limit. I am sure the "other side" feels similar with regards to where we stand. Their cheering on of criminal action stands testament to the end of our rule of law. For laws only truly exist by their enforcement, and by the civil discourse of voluntary compliance. By holding law breakers to account. Yet today we face the polar opposite of that. The end of our nation, that is the most frightening aspect of where this all leads. And I am afraid that ship has already sailed - just a matter of time now before we notice the missing foundation as water comes rushing in.

Amidst all this clamoring rancor, this partisan bickering... I do wonder now if this is but the calm - and the silence - before the storm?
And Lindsey Graham has already stated he won't read it. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil is the MO of this current Republican senate regarding other Republicans but heaven help you if you're a Democrat.

Drain the swamp and vote Democrat this next cycle!
 

Bitek

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I see all the scumbags are raising their hands so we know who they are.

So far results not surprising.
 
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cytg111

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I see all the scumbags are raising their hands so we know who they are.

So far results not surprising.

I know right? However there be a few omissions, righties who have gone quiet over the past few years. Its the hardcore few we got now.
 

HomerJS

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Like Obama's treatment of whistleblowers? I agree.
I'll take article at face value for now. They are treated WBs poorly. Obama was worse then Bush and Trump is worse then Obama.

So what's your point again?? Did Obama or his people ever out a WB? I don't recall any threats to the lives of WBs under Obama. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
 

interchange

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Like Obama's treatment of whistleblowers? I agree.

Do you see any differences here? I could point some out, but since they are glaring in my view I'm not sure you're approaching this with earnest intent to get to a robust understanding of fact so I'm hoping you'll send out an olive branch.
 
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So wait, it's morally depraved or not a big deal? You've posted both in this thread. Or just posting #BothSides to distract?
It's both. When your side does it it's perfectly OK, when the opposing side does it it's horrible. Yes, both sides do it.
 

HomerJS

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It's both. When your side does it it's perfectly OK, when the opposing side does it it's horrible. Yes, both sides do it.
When did Obama out a WB? Did the left threaten to kill them?

#bothsides eh?? That's like saying Trump and Obama are both liars. If I have to explain that one your status in the Troll Hall of Fame is permanently enshrined
 

[DHT]Osiris

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It's both. When your side does it it's perfectly OK, when the opposing side does it it's horrible. Yes, both sides do it.
Care to cite someone on this forum forgiving something even a tenth as severe as any of the shit Trump or Barr does on a daily basis? Be ready to defend your citation.
 

zinfamous

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Hey I’m no expert but didn’t something similar happen with Bush and isn’t there some kind of penalty to leaking a security cleared persons name?

I’m not sure if that applies to regular citizens.

Scooter Libby, Valerie Plame--because her husband, Joseph Wilson was making life difficult for Darth Cheney and his plans to start an illegal war in Iraq by lying to the public regarding terrible intelligence.

Trump pardoned Scooter Libby last year, as a pretty clear signal that outing confidential informants or federally-protected identities will be rewarded as long as he is in charge.

^ The Naomi Watts/Sean Penn version of this was given a new cut shortly after Trump pardoned Scooter Libby, to include a couple more scenes of Scooter Libby (they were originally cut from the final release, and so the real Libby's role was diminished far below what it actually was in the original version)
 
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When did Obama out a WB? Did the left threaten to kill them?

#bothsides eh?? That's like saying Trump and Obama are both liars. If I have to explain that one your status in the Troll Hall of Fame is permanently enshrined
Yes, they are both liars. Both.
 

Jhhnn

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Yes, they are both liars. Both.

Yeh, Obama spread conspiracy theories all the time. Like this one-

I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it.

It's a dandy conspiracy theory but not quite as juicy as the one about crooked Joe Biden.
 

Vic

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Meh. Trump could write himself a trillion dollar check out of the public treasury, and some people would still find a way to blame Obama for it.
 

Vic

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Yeh, Obama spread conspiracy theories all the time. Like this one-



It's a dandy conspiracy theory but not quite as juicy as the one about crooked Joe Biden.
The problem isn't that these people don't know that they're lying, it's that they don't care.
Here's one way to look at it. In Jr's book, he complains throughout that a rich guy's son isn't allowed to have a public opinion... in a bestselling book that was published solely because he is a rich guy's son and in which he publicly has all his opinions.
So like I said, it isn't that these people don't know that they're lying, it's that they don't care.
 

HomerJS

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Yes, they are both liars. Both.
What charities did Obama rip off?? Did he steal money from cancer kids? Trump stole money from cancer kids and you want to equate the two?

Is that how it works Trump boy? Lie to yourself until you think that lie is the truth??

BTW - It came out today in papers Trump claimed in public he donated 6M to veterens. Turns out in court papers he took that money and funneled it to his campaign. So he stole from vets as well. You want to equate that to Obama's tan suit??

What a disgrace.
 
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Jhhnn

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The problem isn't that these people don't know that they're lying, it's that they don't care.
Here's one way to look at it. In Jr's book, he complains throughout that a rich guy's son isn't allowed to have a public opinion... in a bestselling book that was published solely because he is a rich guy's son and in which he publicly has all his opinions.
So like I said, it isn't that these people don't know that they're lying, it's that they don't care.
It all follows the theory of the Big Lie laid out in Mein Kampf-

All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

"I did nothing wrong! Read the transcript!" is an astoundingly impudent lie.