Trump would take foreign help in election and not tell FBI: "They have information. I think I'd take it"

[Jhhnn]

So adding 4 SCOTUS justices that would be appointed by your party and locking in a court majority isn't "abandoning the governance we've had"?

You've been diverting from the issue & the facts at hand from your first comment in this thread. It is illegal for any candidate to knowingly accept anything of value from a foreign govt. Trump says he'd do it anyway. There is considerable evidence that he already has.

You love to go on about how the fascist tendencies of the modern GOP are somehow the fault of the Democrats, as if people like Trump & McConnell are somehow being forced to act the way that they do. It's bullshit.

 

[HomerJS]

Nope, just stupid. Since as I said the GOP won't make the mistake of packing the court with less than enough justices to create a supermajority that will rule against any future packing.

Suit would have no standing. Not illegal, no corrupt intent.

Yes it's stupid but do you have a better idea to bring balance back absent shooting Mitch in the head?

 

[SMOGZINN]

You might want to rethink your "excellent way" plan that involves Democrats creating a +4 SCOTUS justice advantage for themselves as a means of getting the GOP to "behave themselves." Simply using that grey matter you possess means this plan fails miserably at the Rawls veil of ignorance test as your side wouldn't suddenly start "behaving" if the GOP added 4 justices of their choosing to the court before you did.

Remember this madness is completely caused by the GOP insisting on taking minor insults and replying with extreme rebuttals. If they are intent on always going one step further we end up in war no matter what. It is only a matter of how long it takes.

 

[fskimospy]

Remember this madness is completely caused by the GOP insisting on taking minor insults and replying with extreme rebuttals. If they are intent on always going one step further we end up in war no matter what. It is only a matter of how long it takes.

I mean a lot of this is just obvious attempts at justification and #bothsides. I mean think about the whole Garland thing where the argument was that Democrats started it by Joe Biden saying something in a speech in the 1980's so naturally Republicans retaliate three decades later by blockading a nominee.

They didn't do it because someone unearthed a clip of Biden on YouTube and Republicans decided this must not stand, they were afraid of losing power. It's just like how McConnell changed his mind back again and now thinks the American people no longer need to provide input if a vacancy happens in an election year in 2020. I don't see why any sane person would take McConnell's obvious lies as being accurate, it just demeans us all to pretend we're that dumb.

 

[glenn1]

Remember this madness is completely caused by the GOP insisting on taking minor insults and replying with extreme rebuttals. If they are intent on always going one step further we end up in war no matter what. It is only a matter of how long it takes.

Maybe you can stop creating minor insults then? Even now your side wants to excuse away its bad behavior like giving Clinton a pass just like Allies excused away Germany annexing Austria and want to stand up now that it's Poland Trump. Being a leader means doing the hard but right thing and again #bothsides are unwilling to do that so why should any of us care? "War" is here whether we like it or not. Even now Dems can't bring themselves to impeach him because they think it will cost them votes, if they're going to continue to be cowards and engage in appeasement then what fvcking difference does it make?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Maybe you can stop creating minor insults then?

That is not how it works. That is not how any of this works. If you reply to an insult with a punch expect a fight. No one has ever said, well you punched me so I think I'll stop insulting you.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Maybe you can stop creating minor insults then? Even now your side wants to excuse away its bad behavior like giving Clinton a pass just like Allies excused away Germany annexing Austria and want to stand up now that it's Poland Trump. Being a leader means doing the hard but right thing and again #bothsides are unwilling to do that so why should any of us care? "War" is here whether we like it or not. Even now Dems can't bring themselves to impeach him because they think it will cost them votes, if they're going to continue to be cowards and engage in appeasement then what fvcking difference does it make?

You guys feelz certainly get hurt very easily.
Funny how the snowflake and crying dems originators are actually the people with hurt feelz.
What the President said yesterday is inexcusable, accepting help from a foreign country should not become the new norm. Assuming the President does it again, how do you expect Democrats to respond?

 

[fskimospy]

That is not how it works. That is not how any of this works. If you reply to an insult with a punch expect a fight. No one has ever said, well you punched me so I think I'll stop insulting you.

Also, if someone goes around punching people and nobody does anything they quickly learn that punching people has no consequences. Someone hits them back though and all of a sudden they have a moment of pause before hitting the next person.

 

[Jhhnn]

Nope, he could just pardon them. Total immunity for him and all of his associates for unlimited crimes.

It appears you are saying that you agree that the president can legally murder Congress at will but you just think he won't do that. Do you think that was the intent of the Constitution, to bank on the benevolence of the executive?

Murder is a crime in every state in the Union & DC. No President can pardon anybody for a state crime. Anybody who killed such an assassin or attempted assassin would be hailed as a hero. The whole premise of your argument flies in the face of reality.

The Constitution specifies that Congress must impeach & remove a President from office prior to any other formal charges being leveled against him. He's not really immune at all.

 

[VRAMdemon]

[my bold]

Trump the incoherent:

"It's not an interference, they have information — I think I'd take it," Trump said. "If I thought there was something wrong, I'd go maybe to the FBI — if I thought there was something wrong."

And then promptly contradicts himself.

"I'll tell you what, I've seen a lot of things over my life. I don't think in my whole life I've ever called the FBI. In my whole life. You don't call the FBI. You throw somebody out of your office, you do whatever you do," Trump said. "Oh, give me a break – life doesn't work that way.

And then to make sure all options are covered

Trump also said he might both accept the information and call the FBI. But the president was clear he disagreed with comments Wray has made to Congress that "the FBI would want to know about" any efforts from abroad to interfere or influence in U.S. elections.

"The FBI director is wrong, because frankly it doesn't happen like that in life," Trump said. "Now maybe it will start happening, maybe today you'd think differently."

No collusion! Long live collusion!

 

[HomerJS]

Murder is a crime in every state in the Union & DC. No President can pardon anybody for a state crime. Anybody who killed such an assassin or attempted assassin would be hailed as a hero. The whole premise of your argument flies in the face of reality.

The Constitution specifies that Congress must impeach & remove a President from office prior to any other formal charges being leveled against him. He's not really immune at all.

Actually he can make himself immune. Trump shoots someone on the streets. Since a sitting President can't be charged he can't be arrested. Best circumstances it would take days to impeach. Meanwhile he gets into AF1 files to a country without an extradition treaty and claim asylum. There are plenty of countries who would take him.

He has escaped.

 

[cytg111]

lol, what additional dirt can be dug up on Trump that actually convinces his personality cult that he is the quisling that everyone else knows he is?

Tapes... I bet we have lordy tapes...

 

[VRAMdemon]

[rant]

Trump said some dumb, criminal shit for the sixteen thousandth time! You would think they would have figured out by now that what he says will never, ever bring him down. Just off the top of my head for dumb as shit Trump statements we have:

Praising neo-Nazis
Praising dictators
Saying that Kim Jong-Un is off-limits to the CIA
Dismissing the findings of the intelligence community on unambiguous matters
Insulting live war heroes
Insulting dead war heroes
Insulting the US' longtime allies
Calling Mexicans rapists
Calling African nations "shitholes"
Admitting to sexual assault
Lying about anything and everything under the sun including trivial shit

And there's probably hundreds more I missed. And every goddamn time the media comes running and laps it up. Look what the shithead said now! Surely this is the end of his shenanigans for these statements are certain to inspire the kind of outrage that dethrones kings!

Trump will never be brought down by what he says and we already have ample proof of this. Any of these statements are enough to ruin the careers of anyone else but Trump just doubles down, sells it as entertainment and the media keeps buying

[/end rant]

 

[Jhhnn]

Actually he can make himself immune. Trump shoots someone on the streets. Since a sitting President can't be charged he can't be arrested. Best circumstances it would take days to impeach. Meanwhile he gets into AF1 files to a country without an extradition treaty and claim asylum. There are plenty of countries who would take him.

He has escaped.

Fantasy scenarios are fun, huh?

 

[Thump553]

Solid evidence of his intent the 2016 crimes-too bad Mueller didn't have this evidence before he issued his report.

Congress, and more importantly, the Senate, does have this evidence now. Any senator who votes against conviction on impeachment should surrender his/her USA citizenship.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Murder is a crime in every state in the Union & DC. No President can pardon anybody for a state crime. Anybody who killed such an assassin or attempted assassin would be hailed as a hero. The whole premise of your argument flies in the face of reality.

The Constitution specifies that Congress must impeach & remove a President from office prior to any other formal charges being leveled against him. He's not really immune at all.

He is if Mitch Turtles on it

 

[HomerJS]

Fantasy scenarios are fun, huh?

Any part of that not plausible? Imagine the shit we've already lived through in just 2.5 years

 

[fskimospy]

Murder is a crime in every state in the Union & DC. No President can pardon anybody for a state crime. Anybody who killed such an assassin or attempted assassin would be hailed as a hero. The whole premise of your argument flies in the face of reality.

The Constitution specifies that Congress must impeach & remove a President from office prior to any other formal charges being leveled against him. He's not really immune at all.

DC is under federal jurisdiction. The president can kill anyone he wishes inside DC and is immune from arrest period because states can’t arrest the president. Can’t impeach him if you’re dead.

Can you offer any reason why under your legal theory the president couldn’t have congress killed if they tried to impeach him other than simply saying it wouldn’t happen? Like, what law or section of the constitution prohibits this?

I’m not sure why you’re so reluctant to simply say that you believe the Constitution permits this. It’s clearly what you believe.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Justin Amash for the win on twitter.

Donald Trump Jr: "See you soon Justin... I hear Michigan is beautiful during primary season."

Amash: "if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer"

Junior is threatening Amash that he will feel the might and fury of Trump's endorsement of Amash's primary rival.

Amash responds with Junior's own words: his response to the offer of Russian "dirt" on Hillary.

The emails show music promoter Rob Goldstone telling the future US president’s son that “the crown prosecutor of Russia” had offered “to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father”.

British-born Goldstone adds in the exchange of 3 June 2016: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”

Seventeen minutes later, Trump Jr welcomes this with the reply: “If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/donald-trump-jr-email-chain-russia-hillary-clinton

 

[glenn1]

Solid evidence of his intent the 2016 crimes-too bad Mueller didn't have this evidence before he issued his report.

Congress, and more importantly, the Senate, does have this evidence now. Any senator who votes against conviction on impeachment should surrender his/her USA citizenship.

Congress doesn't care about evidence. Democrats are cowards, period full stop. At least the GOP had the principles (despite being 100% motivated by partisanship as well) to impeach Clinton for lying under oath and dealing with the electoral consequences. When the shoe is on the other foot and a POTUS with far more reason to impeach is on deck, the Dems are going to think about the possible consequences to their 2020 election hopes first instead of just doing what's right. Maybe, maybe if Trump wins again the Dems will think about impeachment but even so I doubt it. If Dems had done the right thing in 1998 then Al Gore would have been POTUS, he would have beaten Dubya in 2000, and history would be completely different. Instead the acted like the little shits they are and protected a lame duck serial womanizer and liar. I hope you think the extra 2 years of Bubba was worth losing in 2000, the invasion of Iraq, and everything that's come since including the GOP following your example to protect its own terrible POTUS at any cost.

 

[Jhhnn]

Congress doesn't care about evidence. Democrats are cowards, period full stop. At least the GOP had the principles (despite being 100% motivated by partisanship as well) to impeach Clinton for lying under oath and dealing with the electoral consequences. When the shoe is on the other foot and a POTUS with far more reason to impeach is on deck, the Dems are going to think about the possible consequences to their 2020 election hopes first instead of just doing what's right. Maybe, maybe if Trump wins again the Dems will think about impeachment but even so I doubt it. If Dems had done the right thing in 1998 then Al Gore would have been POTUS, he would have beaten Dubya in 2000, and history would be completely different. Instead the acted like the little shits they are and protected a lame duck serial womanizer and liar. I hope you think the extra 2 years of Bubba was worth losing in 2000, the invasion of Iraq, and everything that's come since including the GOP following your example to protect its own terrible POTUS at any cost.

Yeh, blame the Dems for GOP malfeasance. Because both sides, obviously.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Murder is a crime in every state in the Union & DC. No President can pardon anybody for a state crime. Anybody who killed such an assassin or attempted assassin would be hailed as a hero. The whole premise of your argument flies in the face of reality.

The Constitution specifies that Congress must impeach & remove a President from office prior to any other formal charges being leveled against him. He's not really immune at all.

The Constitution says no such thing and he is really immune if Congress doesn't remove him. Of course you can prove me wrong and quote the Constitution on the matter, the part that claims that Presidents are immune from shooting people on a daily basis. Assassination? I'm not finding that as a legal option either.

He's a god by your standard in terms of invulnerability. When you disagree you can of course cite the SCOTUS where you principle was put to the test on serious crimes. Parking tickets? I don't think that would float. Sedition, money laundering, obstruction of a criminal investigation in which he is a party? Show me the proof, not the memo. Even Barr doesn't buy it.

 

[glenn1]

Yeh, blame the Dems for GOP malfeasance. Because both sides, obviously.

Lol “Blame” - again if you think 2 years of “lying under oath Clinton” was worth foregoing President Gore and his likely reelection in 2000 then I guess you “won” that exchange. And Trump would have likely never happened, and if he did you’d have the political standing to push for his removal now since you’d have taken out your own trash first.

 

[dasherHampton]

I'm not convinced Trump wants a second term.

He seems to view trade balance as his legacy, and he doesn't appear to care anymore how it affects his popularity. Trump wants to be seen as the "guy who brought fairness to US trade deals with the rest of the world". Whether you agree with him or not about whether international trade had been fair to the US over the past decades is certainly up to the individual.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol “Blame” - again if you think 2 years of “lying under oath Clinton” was worth foregoing President Gore and his likely reelection in 2000 then I guess you “won” that exchange. And Trump would have likely never happened, and if he did you’d have the political standing to push for his removal now since you’d have taken out your own trash first.

Wow you really are on one today. I assume your senility has kicked in because your recollection of history is seriously lacking. We don't have trump because Clinton wasn't removed from office, we have trump because Republicans have been increasingly radicalized for decades, with a ramp up in radicalization in the 90's under newt Gingrich's leadership. That is, they've been doing it before then, see Nixon, see Iran contra, see S&L scandal, see the Enron scandal, see the multiple instances of voter discrimination laws, see the rise of propaganda radio and tv.

But you go ahead and blame dems for not going along with using impeachment for political purposes to remove a president who was under investigation for a real estate deal that found no wrong doing and instead found some infidelity to pursue.