Trump wins Iowa - is anyone surprised?

[Zorba]

He's definitely picking a woman. This is my fearless prediction.

That would be DEI though!

 

[pmv]

Aren't all Republics Democracies? Its like the square/rectangle thing right?

All republics are democracies but not all democracies are republics. The defining feature of a republic are representatives that are democratically elected to govern (as opposed to say a direct democracy where citizens are the representatives).

I don't really know. Was thinking that it can't be that Republics are necessarily democratic, or it would be redundant to call your country "the Democratic Republic of...". Though, then again, seems as if the countries that call themselves that tend to be neither very democratic nor republics (North Korea?) so maybe it's one of those "doth protest too much" scenarios (like "The Freedom Caucus")

 

[manly]

Aren't all Republics Democracies? Its like the square/rectangle thing right?

All republics are democracies but not all democracies are republics. The defining feature of a republic are representatives that are democratically elected to govern (as opposed to say a direct democracy where citizens are the representatives).

Not all republics are democracies. The Senators of the Roman Republic, for example, were not elected by the masses.

Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[pmv]

Not all republics are democracies. The Senators of the Roman Republic, for example, were not elected by the masses.

Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Surely it's a matter of degree? The Roman Republic was _a bit_ democratic, insofar as the Senators decided things by vote?
Just as countries that only allowed property-owning males to vote were partially, but imperfectly, democratic.

Otherwise, what was it that was overthrown or lost when it ceased to be a Republic?

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm amazed that democrats seem so chilled and certain that Trump won't win a GE. Those Biden/Trump polls are ridiculously close!
Context: There's a GE in the UK this year and Labour are 20 points above the Tories (and that's been a stable 20 points for a year or so) and I'm still anxious that the Tories will still get in! And the UK system is probably a bit more robust against regional shenanigans in an election that the US one.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm amazed that democrats seem so chilled and certain that Trump won't win a GE. Those Biden/Trump polls are ridiculously close!
Context: There's a GE in the UK this year and Labour are 20 points above the Tories (and that's been a stable 20 points for a year or so) and I'm still anxious that the Tories will still get in! And the UK system is probably a bit more robust against regional shenanigans in an election that the US one.

I haven’t seen any democrat say this. Who are you referring to?

 

[WelshBloke]

I haven’t seen any democrat say this. Who are you referring to?

I'm not going to trawl the past posts but I remember you being fairly sanguine about Trumps chances! Maybe I've misread the room but I definitely got the impression that you thought Trump didn't stand a chance.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not going to trawl the past posts but I remember you being fairly sanguine about Trumps chances! Maybe I've misread the room but I definitely got the impression that you thought Trump didn't stand a chance.

No, I’ve repeatedly said that while Trump’s chances are not good that the lesson of 2016 is that any major party nominee has at least a puncher’s chance at winning.

He’s not particularly likely to win in my opinion but he absolutely has a chance if he’s the nominee.

 

[WelshBloke]

No, I’ve repeatedly said that while Trump’s chances are not good that the lesson of 2016 is that any major party nominee has at least a puncher’s chance at winning.

He’s not particularly likely to win in my opinion but he absolutely has a chance if he’s the nominee.

The polls are pretty much a wash between the two of them and that's before the Trump hose of bullshit has been fully opened!
I absolutely hope he doesn't win but he doesn't look like an outsider to win at all at the moment. Bidens approval ratings are (inexplicably) awful, the right are absolutely leaning into the "we are the underdogs that are being repressed" narrative, and the not mental branch of the republican voter base also seems to be happier to line up behind whichever republican candidate wins (even if it's Trump) rather than voting for a Democrat.
If I was an American Democrat (or any American that cares about democracy and their country) I'd be sweating bullets!

 

[fskimospy]

The polls are pretty much a wash between the two of them and that's before the Trump hose of bullshit has been fully opened!
I absolutely hope he doesn't win but he doesn't look like an outsider to win at all at the moment. Bidens approval ratings are (inexplicably) awful, the right are absolutely leaning into the "we are the underdogs that are being repressed" narrative, and the not mental branch of the republican voter base also seems to be happier to line up behind whichever republican candidate wins (even if it's Trump) rather than voting for a Democrat.
If I was an American Democrat (or any American that cares about democracy and their country) I'd be sweating bullets!

Polls at this time are not very informative. I wouldn’t sweat it too much.

 

[dank69]

Haley is a woman of color, and the #2 candidate in the Jews Will Not Replace Us party.... So.. Are you saying the Ds are more racist than Rs?

Harris is unpopular because she's an inconsistent goofball senator from California who's been promoted one level above her competency.

Competence? The VP has one job: to be a worse alternative to the President to deter assassination attempts. Trump had a hard time finding one. Pence was the best he could do since Kanye was already running for President, and he would have had to offer Elon a trillion dollars to even think about it.

 

[Drach]

He's going to have coke head Don jr. be his running mate.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Not all republics are democracies. The Senators of the Roman Republic, for example, were not elected by the masses.

Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-They issue there is that there is an assumption that ancient and modern republics are even the same form of government.

Ancient republics looked a lot more like oligarchies than modern republics do.

We draw a byline through history because they all share a sort of common name, but they're really radically different forms of government.

 

[dank69]

He's going to have coke head Don jr. be his running mate.

Why not Alina?

 

[eelw]

The polls are pretty much a wash between the two of them and that's before the Trump hose of bullshit has been fully opened!
I absolutely hope he doesn't win but he doesn't look like an outsider to win at all at the moment. Bidens approval ratings are (inexplicably) awful, the right are absolutely leaning into the "we are the underdogs that are being repressed" narrative, and the not mental branch of the republican voter base also seems to be happier to line up behind whichever republican candidate wins (even if it's Trump) rather than voting for a Democrat.
If I was an American Democrat (or any American that cares about democracy and their country) I'd be sweating bullets!

Yeah approval ratings suck because the other side is in single digits. Partisan politics, the other side is generally at least 20+% approval. Even for the orange monkey, don’t think it was less than 15% by Dems.

 

[Drach]

Why not Alina?

Because donnie blows better than her.

 

[Fkstick McDuff]

Why not Alina?

She's probably going to get the "I hardly knew her" treatment once she inevitably disappoints him in the courtroom.

 

[IronWing]

Not all republics are democracies. The Senators of the Roman Republic, for example, were not elected by the masses.

Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is why all right thinking people should be rooting for the Empire in the Star Wars movies. The Emperor replaced a un-elected hereditary aristocracy (propped up by a whack-job mystic warrior cult) with a meritocracy. The Emperor didn't promote his brats; he went out and sought talent.

 

[manly]

-They issue there is that there is an assumption that ancient and modern republics are even the same form of government.

Ancient republics looked a lot more like oligarchies than modern republics do.

We draw a byline through history because they all share a sort of common name, but they're really radically different forms of government.

I used Rome just as a convenient example. The Wiki page explains it for @pmv. Nominally the USSR was a union of republics, although that wasn't really their system of government. There are other modern examples today.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

This is why all right thinking people should be rooting for the Empire in the Star Wars movies. The Emperor replaced a un-elected hereditary aristocracy (propped up by a whack-job mystic warrior cult) with a meritocracy. The Emperor didn't promote his brats; he went out and sought talent.

As an added bonus, the emperor kept his christofascism on the down low. He had the power to go ape shit but nobody saw it from him, and only from his second if he needed to bring the heat somewhere.

Pity the ruler that needs to flaunt his power.

 

[soundforbjt]

I think Stefanik will be his choice, she’s been a staunch defender and has ties with big Wall Street money.

 

[soundforbjt]

Double post

 

[eelw]

I think Stefanik will be his choice, she’s been a staunch defender and has ties with big Wall Street money.

But she fails on the looks. He’ll need the attractive VP.

 

[fskimospy]

@Greenman as someone worried about mental acuity are you at red alert at Trump?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1748533500117233721

 

[Fenixgoon]

@Greenman as someone worried about mental acuity are you at red alert at Trump?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1748533500117233721

wait so it wasn't nancy pelosi? or maybe it was both nancy and nikki so that when asked, they could just deflect to the other!!!! /obligatory sarcasm