Trump will withdraw US from Iran deal today, reinstate sanctions

[glenn1]

Are you saying that Israel's government has the capacity to force America into a war with Iran? If so, that seems like a good reason to cut them off right now.

Otherwise are you claiming Iran is going to attack Israel in some way? If so, that's highly unlikely. Israel will likely attack Iran, but Iran is unlikely to attack Israel.

Iran is already attacking Israel and has for decades, they're just using proxies to do it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Iran is already attacking Israel and has for decades, they're just using proxies to do it.

And Iran's preparatory efforts are escalating at breakneck pace.

 

[fskimospy]

Israel has carried out 3 attacks against Iranian military assets in Syria in the last 10 days...and have also recently threatened Assad with his life if he doesn't kick Iran out of Syria. Where do you think this is going?

Oh I definitely think Israel and potentially Saudi Arabia are working towards military action against Iran. Without the nuclear deal I agree war against Iran is highly likely, I guess I was thinking you meant war with Iran was inevitable prior to Trump leaving the nuclear deal, which I think was wrong. (at least assuming war means major military activity and not some targeted strikes)

Israel/SA never would have dared attack Iran while it was under the umbrella of the P5+1. Now? Not sure of that at all.

 

[K1052]

So we're going to war with Iran because Israel. For reasons.

Seems like a pretty good plan to spend another trillion or two we don't have and get a ton more people killed.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So we're going to war with Iran because Israel. For reasons.

Seems like a pretty good plan to spend another trillion or two we don't have and get a ton more people killed.

^ Perfect synopsis of your understanding of the situation.

Meanwhile...Netanyahu met with Putin today effectively telling him to stay out of the way.

 

[K1052]

^ Perfect synopsis of your understanding of the situation.

Going to war with Iran because Israel doesn't like Iran (and vice versa) and the Saudi's have been angling for decades for us to go in and root out the Shia power doesn't seem like something the US should be doing. Kind of like going into Iraq after made up WMD wasn't the best call either.

One day, probably in the not too distant future at this rate, the US is going to wake up with it's treasure, power, and will utterly spent and people like you refusing to admit we how got there.

 

[HomerJS]

And Iran's preparatory efforts are escalating at breakneck pace.

you know nothing

 

[fskimospy]

^ Perfect synopsis of your understanding of the situation.

Meanwhile...Netanyahu met with Putin today effectively telling him to stay out of the way.

Sounds like someone needs to step in and reign in Netanyahu then before he gets a lot of people killed.

This is a great reason why reflexive US support for Israel has always been such a bad idea. It encourages military adventurism.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Sounds like someone needs to step in and reign in Netanyahu then before he gets a lot of people killed.

This is a great reason why reflexive US support for Israel has always been such a bad idea. It encourages military adventurism.

You are right. But this isn't only about Israel or Saudis. Our foreign policy for decades has been to have pliant if not outright client states in areas of importance. Which middle east is. Hence the desire for regime change in Iran. I am not saying it is right though. Just describing it

 

[VRAMdemon]

Those who think "the best deal" over "what's best for the planet as a whole" are not global thinkers. They are nationalists, and nationalism is not the philosophy that will allow us to prosper globally. Virtually all of our allies exhorted Trump not to destroy this agreement, but he of course did. After all, Obama signed onto that, and they are dedicated to destroying out of pure hatred every single thing he ever did.

Iran is a relatively developed country that's important to regional stability and trade, but we are about to make a deal with North Korea, a secretive hellhole with only 1/9 Iran's per capita GDP. Is this a joke?

If Obama had made a deal with North Korea but not Iran, Trump would be renouncing Obama's N.K. deal and possibly embracing Iran. He's babbled on and on about the many barrels full of U.S. banknotes that Obama "gave" to Iran. Does he expect to get those barrels back? Does he think The Trump Organization should get a cut if he does?

Trump has threatened sanctions against Airbus if they fulfill their contracts with Iran. Is Europe giving any thought to sanctions against Boeing. Trump, Bolton and cohorts seem to want a war with Iran in a big way. War is fantastic for rich people; arms dealers, big oil, etc. Get ready for $3 plus at the pump in very short order.

One legacy of the Trump administration that seems increasingly likely, is that the United States will be a much more politically isolated country. And we'll probably be more economically isolated as a result as well. Not only do I struggle to see how we benefit from this outcome, but I struggle to see how we don't lose something in the process. To the Trump administration, being isolated is a feature, not a bug. No, it doesn't make sense economically, or militarily, or from a world stability standpoint, not even from an american stability standpoint. It does make sense if you want to "take america back" to the social and national identities that people think that we had in the 50's

 

[K1052]

There is building conversation that the EU might use blocking regulations to protect their companies from US sanctions so they can continue trade with Iran if they want to maintain the deal. The US would then be faced with the choice of sanctioning euro companies which would 100% start a barn burner of a trade war. This has come up before and the US backed down.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

you know nothing

Perhaps so. Meanwhile...the IDF calls up reservists, deploys air defense systems, and opens shelters in Golan Heights. They probably don't know anything either.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Agree. The "new deal" will likely involve tactical strikes if Iran chooses to continue their nuclear program...I think he's grown a special fondness for this approach.

Iran will not agree to any such deal. We are just going to make them an active enemy. This is how you make terrorists.

You're forgetting (apparently) about the GOP obstructionism in the House and Senate during the Obama years. The Constitution requires a two-thirds approval to ratify a treaty-an impossible goal back then.

It is an impossibility now. There is no way any deal Trump makes will get a 2/3 majority vote in Congress. That means that the best thing that Trump can hope for is another unilateral deal like Obama got. I wonder if the Conservatives will be against the President making such a deal with out Congress just as much when Trump does it? Oh, who am I kidding, of course they won't.

 

[HomerJS]

Perhaps so. Meanwhile...the IDF calls up reservists, deploys air defense systems, and opens shelters in Golan Heights. They probably don't know anything either.

Reactive alert after Trump pulled out. I heard similar after announcement.

Trump's foreign and domestic policy is nothing more then Occam's Razor.

Did the Negro sign it? I'm going to unsign it. Nothing more. This guy desn't bother with any details. He's still steaming from the 2011 WH Correspondents Dinner when Obama insulted him so he's out for revenge. Its all personal and the US will be worse for it when over.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Iran will not agree to any such deal.

Hence the quotes used. :rollseyes:

We are just going to make them an active enemy. This is how you make terrorists.

We're talking past tense here...they already are our enemy and have been for quite some time. Or do you think their incessant 'Death to America' manta is something recent?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Reactive alert after Trump pulled out. I heard similar after announcement.

Thanks for setting us straight! lol

 

[HomerJS]

Actually I doubt the oil prices would go higher. Most likely part of this arrangement is that Saudis will increase production

You were saying??? I would ingest small portion of that crow.
Wall St. rallies on higher oil after U.S. quits Iran deal

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...r-oil-after-u-s-quits-iran-deal-idUSKBN1IA1QJ

 

[Jhhnn]

That's an easy way to go through life with your "I don't like the messenger" attitude. No need to apply any effort or supply any evidence, in supporting your position, when you can just disregard any information with a "because I don't like it".

So, it's not an anti-Islam hate site?

 

[Jhhnn]

Israel has carried out 3 attacks against Iranian military assets in Syria in the last 10 days...and have also recently threatened Assad with his life if he doesn't kick Iran out of Syria. Where do you think this is going?

Israel has the right to do that because... What? It's not like the Syrians & the Iranians have made any effort or preparations for a serious attack against Israel.

 

[hal2kilo]

I'm liking Shepard Smith more and more lately. Apparently, he cut off some author on his show that was saying Trump pulled out of the agreement and Shep says there is no provision to withdraw from the treaty, he just violated it. Good on you Shep.

 

[Jhhnn]

Perhaps so. Meanwhile...the IDF calls up reservists, deploys air defense systems, and opens shelters in Golan Heights. They probably don't know anything either.

Spreading the fear, obviously. Syria is in no kind of shape to attack Israel & anybody with half a brain knows it.

Bibi would love it.

 

[SMOGZINN]

We're talking past tense here...they already are our enemy and have been for quite some time. Or do you think their incessant 'Death to America' manta is something recent?

They have been a passive enemy. Telling them 'do what we want, to our standards, and give us unfettered access to your facilities or we will bomb you' is going to make an active enemy of them. It is nothing short of a declaration of war. They will go from covertly financially supporting anti-America groups to actively forming, training, and getting them access to the US.

 

[thilanliyan]

I'm liking Shepard Smith more and more lately. Apparently, he cut off some author on his show that was saying Trump pulled out of the agreement and Shep says there is no provision to withdraw from the treaty, he just violated it. Good on you Shep.

Yeah, I'm not sure how he's survived on Fox so long.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Israel has the right to do that because... What? It's not like the Syrians & the Iranians have made any effort or preparations for a serious attack against Israel.

Apparently Israel feels threatened by Iranian drones in their airspace, two Iranian military bases in Syria right on their border, and Iranian missiles located in Syria pointing at them.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm liking Shepard Smith more and more lately. Apparently, he cut off some author on his show that was saying Trump pulled out of the agreement and Shep says there is no provision to withdraw from the treaty, he just violated it. Good on you Shep.

It was a nonbinding agreement...not a treaty.