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Trump : What we did. Cohen : 3 Years

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VRAMdemon said:
Other than the idiocy, which speaks for itself, is he threatening Cohen's family in that last part?:

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Jeez!...Why so many tweets when "I am not a crook" would serve just as well?

If there's one thing Trump enjoys more than lying, it's accusing others of lying. And...If there's one thing Trump enjoys more than being dumb, it's accusing others of being dumb.
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Well about that "advice of counsel"

It would seem that in tweeting that Trump has removed any claim to attorney/client privilege.

Oops.
 
Greenman said:
Campaign finance crimes seem to generally end up with a fine. I believe Obama had a finance issue for which he paid a hefty fine.
Cohen was convicted of campaign finance violations, tax fraud, and perjury. All of those are serious charges. But again, I don't know if the fines and jail time were allocated to each crime.

Edit: The only thing I could find in a google search indicates that Cohen got 36 months for the campaign finance charge, two months for lying to congress, and not a single day for tax fraud. I'm more than a little surprised by that.
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He also has to pay large financial penalties-

Those three years would be followed by three years of supervised release, and Cohen also is subject to forfeiture of $500,000, restitution of $1.4 million and fines totaling $100,000.
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https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/6760...in-prison-following-plea-that-implicated-trum

He threw himself at the mercy of the system & received some.
 
Greenman said:
Campaign finance crimes seem to generally end up with a fine. I believe Obama had a finance issue for which he paid a hefty fine.
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An oversight vs willful criminal intent (and the SDNY demonstrated and convicted based upon the latter) yields significantly different penalties. One requires a civil remedy and the other criminal penalty.
 
Greenman said:
Campaign finance crimes seem to generally end up with a fine. I believe Obama had a finance issue for which he paid a hefty fine.
Cohen was convicted of campaign finance violations, tax fraud, and perjury. All of those are serious charges. But again, I don't know if the fines and jail time were allocated to each crime.

Edit: The only thing I could find in a google search indicates that Cohen got 36 months for the campaign finance charge, two months for lying to congress, and not a single day for tax fraud. I'm more than a little surprised by that.
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That's true when the violations are accidental. Trump's were intentional and done to effect the outcome of the election (confirmed by 2 sources to date)
 
Uh oh. Cohen kept records that should have been shredded. Trump was in the room for the meeting with AMI about paying for negative stories to be killed including McDougal and they warned it would be illegal.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Uh oh. Cohen kept records that should have been shredded. Trump was in the room for the meeting with AMI about paying for negative stories to be killed including McDougal and they warned it would be illegal.
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Rut-roh

That pretty much nails it. Trump orchestrating a felony.

Who in their right mind is going to take that Chief of Staff job?
 
HomerJS said:
Rut-roh

That pretty much nails it. Trump orchestrating a felony.

Who in their right mind is going to take that Chief of Staff job?
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Please please please let Sean Hannity get a hair up his ass. I mean, it would really just be making it official anyway, right? C'mon Dump! Think of all the cuddly cozy time you guys could have together, wouldn't just be phone talks in the morning and before bed! Sleep overs! You could do each others hair!
 
skull said:
They don't say but I assume you'd have to use the advice of counsel defense in court. I wouldn't think just posting it on twitter would nullify attorney client privilege.
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It should be enough as an official statement by the President (which tweets are) to approach the court.
 
kage69 said:
Please please please let Sean Hannity get a hair up his ass. I mean, it would really just be making it official anyway, right? C'mon Dump! Think of all the cuddly cozy time you guys could have together, wouldn't just be phone talks in the morning and before bed! Sleep overs! You could do each others hair!
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Yes yes yes please

Trump
Hannity
Giuliani

What a shitshow .. I might even be in for season 2.
 
HomerJS said:
Rut-roh

That pretty much nails it. Trump orchestrating a felony.

Who in their right mind is going to take that Chief of Staff job?
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I'll do it.

How much am I guaranteed and how long do I actually need to hold the post? I'll happily take you assholes's tax dollars to make sure this asshole and his family march straight to the pokey where they belong, and donate my salary to some Sierra Club or immigrants' fund.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Yup I made a thread but was thinking we might need one big catchall. There’s just so much flowing in now.

I’m finally getting my Trump advent. Except instead of an indictment each day it’s a new alleged crime.
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Yeah I'm thinking the timing is apropros: the speculation that Trump dissolved attorney-client privilege over his one good brain tweet seems not to be speculation. It seems that having earlier reviewed and agreed to locking such documents, SDNY offices went ahead and brought the charges that they have been sitting on, because knowing the law and all, like law-knowing people do, they were thinking the same thing.

It's on. This POTUS is heading to prison. Can't wait.

I'll happily cross-stitch a new rock-busting badge for Eric's new Prison Scout's sash.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
It should be enough as an official statement by the President (which tweets are) to approach the court.
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That's what I think Justice is planning. There is no dearth of federal NY judges waiting to bust this asshole, as they've known him very well for decades, and the trail is paved for them:

--white house officially established Twitter as official Presidential communication. That's done. Federal courts have already established that precedent in ruling against Trump. Even SCOTUS has followed that precedent. It is now law. It is now testimony.
--Trump uses Twitter to make policy. Trump uses Twitter to manipulate the stock market. All of this is history. Trump uses Twitter to renounce his attorney.
--Game is on.
 
zinfamous said:
That's what I think Justice is planning. There is no dearth of federal NY judges waiting to bust this asshole, as they've known him very well for decades, and the trail is paved for them:

--white house officially established Twitter as official Presidential communication. That's done. Federal courts have already established that precedent in ruling against Trump. Even SCOTUS has followed that precedent. It is now law. It is now testimony.
--Trump uses Twitter to make policy. Trump uses Twitter to manipulate the stock market. All of this is history. Trump uses Twitter to renounce his attorney.
--Game is on.
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It would be so magnificently glorious if trump was undone by his own tweets, like it's his actual tweets that got him impeached, convicted, and sent to jail.
 
zinfamous said:
Yeah I'm thinking the timing is apropros: the speculation that Trump dissolved attorney-client privilege over his one good brain tweet seems not to be speculation. It seems that having earlier reviewed and agreed to locking such documents, SDNY offices went ahead and brought the charges that they have been sitting on, because knowing the law and all, like law-knowing people do, they were thinking the same thing.

It's on. This POTUS is heading to prison. Can't wait.

I'll happily cross-stitch a new rock-busting badge for Eric's new Prison Scout's sash.
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That's not the way it works. Prosecutors agreed to a special master determining what is & isn't privileged. They've never reviewed the documents she labeled as privileged. We have no idea how much they pertain to Trump or to other clients. Cohen worked for Trump for a lot of years & undoubtedly did at least some perfectly legal things for his client.
 
HomerJS said:
Rut-roh

That pretty much nails it. Trump orchestrating a felony.

Who in their right mind is going to take that Chief of Staff job?
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I just hope Trump finds somebody competent. I'm sure Kelly did his best under very difficult circumstances. We need all the functionality we can get out of the Trump White House.

I'd want a taser & a tranq dart gun before even taking the job. And snake proof boots, just in case.
 
zinfamous said:
I'll do it.

How much am I guaranteed and how long do I actually need to hold the post? I'll happily take you assholes's tax dollars to make sure this asshole and his family march straight to the pokey where they belong, and donate my salary to some Sierra Club or immigrants' fund.
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One problem. After starting you are subject to questioning by Mueller team. You'll be forced to hire a lawyer and there goes your salary.
 
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