Trump wants to force all Muslims to register with a database

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mikeymikec

Lifer
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Sorry, nothing I can do for willful ignorance.

It's a solid argument position though, you have to admit: It's not up to him to provide the evidence for his assertions, it's up to you to prove them wrong, and anything you do to provide to prove them wrong is obviously government lies and propaganda designed to allow refugees into the country and get them to steal underpants for profit.
 

greatnoob

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You mean Government?

What I am saying is I do not believe they are properly vetting all of the refugees from Syria as the paper trail is nonexistent. You can believe if you wish, I do not.

I would rather they establish a safe zone that is supported by all the countries involved in the area and take care of them there until they can resettle in their war torn country.
No. In your case it's the gubbament since you're oblivious to the actual vetting process. What makes you think Trump is going to do any better if your previous gubbament (according to you) couldn't do it. Maybe you should go ahead and send an email to president.elect.mr.donald.trump@com.gubbament.usa.america.freedom.au:

Dear Mister Obama*,
Frankly, you are not doing your job properly when it comes to vetting Syrian refugees. I am willing to undertake your job if that is okay with you.
While I'm at it, I think I will also do a better job at stopping the lizard people from taking over the US (I know what you are Mr. Obummer ;) hahaha jk).
Please see attached resume.

Thanks a lot and I hope to be in the White House in 4 years time.

*If that is your real name

Attached files:
chemtrails.docx
 
Nov 25, 2013
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That is your opinion, not a fact.

Where do they get the documentation to vet these Syrian refugees?

Do you believe everything you read on the internet? You know the Government has never lied before, right?

Aluminum foil is two aisles down and on the right.
 
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It's a solid argument position though, you have to admit: It's not up to him to provide the evidence for his assertions, it's up to you to prove them wrong, and anything you do to provide to prove them wrong is obviously government lies and propaganda designed to allow refugees into the country and get them to steal underpants for profit.

In January 2017 he will have the government that he deserves. Unfortunately people all over the world will pay the price for that ignorance.
 

pcgeek11

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No. In your case it's the gubbament since you're oblivious to the actual vetting process. What makes you think Trump is going to do any better if your previous gubbament (according to you) couldn't do it. Maybe you should go ahead and send an email to president.elect.mr.donald.trump@com.gubbament.usa.america.freedom.au:

Dear Mister Obama*,
Frankly, you are not doing your job properly when it comes to vetting Syrian refugees. I am willing to undertake your job if that is okay with you.
While I'm at it, I think I will also do a better job at stopping the lizard people from taking over the US (I know what you are Mr. Obummer ;) hahaha jk).
Please see attached resume.

Thanks a lot and I hope to be in the White House in 4 years time.

*If that is your real name

Attached files:
chemtrails.docx

I didn't say Trump was going to do any better. I don't know as that is yet to be seen.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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ISIS is believed to be training people to enter nations as immigrants. It would seem prudent to increase background checks to minimize opportunities. Nothing is perfect so someone is going to slip through.

Note I didn't say "muslim".
 

bshole

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And you've flip-flopped again.

I think you're confusing disrespect with critical analysis (not referring to Voltaire here). More to follow...

Except that's not the order that history went in, at least AFAIK.

IMO, when looking at the history of Christianity versus the rise of civilisation in Western nations, two very basic things occurred: When a power that draws its influence from the immaterial confronts a power that draws from the material (eg. people with money, resources, technology), the latter will eventually win out over a long enough time span.

The second being that Christian leaders realised that it was them who looked like arseholes for locking up educated people who dared to air theories that challenged their beliefs.

Back to the present - I don't think there's any question that Islam has some problematic elements, but those need to be challenged from within, with examples of a better way from outside. The reason why can be found with modern Christianity: Many American Christians actually believe that there's a "war on Christianity", possibly for two reasons, the first could be called "Christian privilege" (ie. they want to fight back against the steady waning of their influence), the second possibly being simply disrespect. It might be the case that the disrespect generally happens when they do things that aren't worthy of respect (e.g. making policy changes to how science is taught by ensuring that their own supporters are the only ones with a say (or deciding say) on the topic), but that doesn't change things in their opinion, because they're doing "God's work".

If especially women from predominantly Islamic nations can see that their freedoms are respected and their views are tolerated outside of those nations, then they will likely start asking pointed questions at home about why they must bear the brunt of "man's limitations". If however they see that outside of those nations while they have more freedoms it must be that they're seen and not heard, then it's reasonable to assume that they might view it at best as "give and take" (e.g. they get to wear what they like, and accusing someone of rape does not result in the accuser getting stoned to death, and what's taken is likely a very important facet of their life, their religious belief). Or at worst as almost prostitution, ie. they're showing flesh in exchange for other freedoms* and at the additional cost of their religious belief. I wouldn't be surprised if many Muslim women who hold their beliefs strongly would rather put a bullet between their eyes than do something as sinful as that.

* - and considering cases like Brock Turner or the Steubenville rape case, it's hardly as if America is seen to have reached the pinnacle of justice and balance with regard to crimes against women, so Muslim women might see that as a dubious and uncertain benefit.

Not going to really comment other than to say that I really really enjoy thoughtful posts. Thank you for this one.
 

ivwshane

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ISIS is believed to be training people to enter nations as immigrants. It would seem prudent to increase background checks to minimize opportunities. Nothing is perfect so someone is going to slip through.

Note I didn't say "muslim".

Increase background checks? Wtf does that even mean? Can you compare what we do currently and show us how its different from what's being proposed?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Increase background checks? Wtf does that even mean? Can you compare what we do currently and show us how its different from what's being proposed?

It's relatively easy to gain access to the US compared to other nations, at least long term. Try emigrating from the US and you will see how difficult that is for other first world nations. Moving to Canada is the threat made by those who don't like the winners but unless you have a specific skill set or flush with cash it isn't happening. Considering that people do want to infiltrate the west to do damage I think we need to be sure we aren't operating at TSA standards. Specifically? I'd have to know what we really do now on an every day basis, but it seems unlikely that we have no room for improvement. That's pretty much all I'm suggesting. Look at what we have now and make changes were prudent. No "lists" or strip searching. Nothing radical.
 

ivwshane

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It's relatively easy to gain access to the US compared to other nations, at least long term. Try emigrating from the US and you will see how difficult that is for other first world nations. Moving to Canada is the threat made by those who don't like the winners but unless you have a specific skill set or flush with cash it isn't happening. Considering that people do want to infiltrate the west to do damage I think we need to be sure we aren't operating at TSA standards. Specifically? I'd have to know what we really do now on an every day basis, but it seems unlikely that we have no room for improvement. That's pretty much all I'm suggesting. Look at what we have now and make changes were prudent. No "lists" or strip searching. Nothing radical.

So you don't know what the fuck you are talking about? You are making suggestions about how to improve a process you know nothing about, smart.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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So you don't know what the fuck you are talking about? You are making suggestions about how to improve a process you know nothing about, smart.


Just when I think you are being somewhat human you decide to be some dumb ass who can't even understand why processes should be evaluated. I'm not like you. I have certain skill sets and knowledge. Some things I know about but I don't pretend to be an expert on them, unlike people I could mention.

Hey, if you want to make sure people know you are set on being a dick in what should be a normal conversation you don't need to convince me or anyone else.

Bye.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Just when I think you are being somewhat human you decide to be some dumb ass who can't even understand why processes should be evaluated. I'm not like you. I have certain skill sets and knowledge. Some things I know about but I don't pretend to be an expert on them, unlike people I could mention.

Hey, if you want to make sure people know you are set on being a dick in what should be a normal conversation you don't need to convince me or anyone else.

Bye.

You didn't say the process should be evaluated you said,

ISIS is believed to be training people to enter nations as immigrants. It would seem prudent to increase background checks to minimize opportunities. Nothing is perfect so someone is going to slip through.

That's pretty fucking specific for someone who doesn't even know what the current process is. Had you said what you are currently pivoting to, I wouldn't have given your post a second thought.


You must be one of those liberals the right makes fun of for needing a safe space.
 

KMFJD

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ghts-adl-anti-defamation-league-a7426341.html

Jonathan Greenblatt, director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which campaigns against anti-Semitism and other bigotry, said he would register as Muslim if the database is created because of “painful memories” from when Jews were “identified, registered and tagged”.

Speaking to AFP, Mr Greenblatt said: “The day they create a registry for Muslims is the day that I register as a Muslim because of my Jewish faith, because of my commitment to our core American values, because I want this country to be as great as it always has been.


Only Trump can get Jews and Muslims to band together....