Trump wants to force all Muslims to register with a database

[buckshot24]

Yeah, because disrespecting religions has worked *ever so well* in the past, and present. If you want to fuel a persecution complex, that's a pretty good way of doing it.

Will you disrespect the attack infidels interpretation of Islam at least?

 

[Triloby]

That is a sticky one isn't it? Wasn't Christianity tamed by continuous disrespect (starting with Voltaire)? How can reformation of a religion occur absent disrespect?

For example, if a religious person says their God makes it impossible for evolution to occur.... that his belief should be used in science books. THEN it is perfectly fine to treat that person's assertion with utter contempt and derision..... it just is.....

Sounds more to me like Christianity has been far more tamed in Europe, than it is right now in America. Christianity is still huge in the United States despite the whole principle of separation of church and state. Look at how many Baptists, Catholics, Lutherans, Protestants, Mormons, Evangelists, etc. we have around.

Even with continuous disrespect and satire of Islam, it's going to take centuries before Islam will be on the same level of Christianity in terms of having a thicker skin when it comes to criticism.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Think of it this way, if Hillary was elected we would be talking about her plan t make all gun owners register in a national database. I'm sure more than half of you would be ok with that and all for it.
I'd like to hear the actual interview they are talking about, because the news never edits things to fit what they want to push. Much like ABC editing the video footage of George Zimmerman to remove portions that showed the injuries to his head.
I don't believe anything a media outlet says unless there is actual uncut video proof.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

"Mexicans are rapists" doesn't ring a bell? How about calling for a shut down on all Muslim immigration, or calling for all Muslims to be registered in a national database? Those things he did (ie. campaigning on these points) don't ring any fucking bells at all?





Then why on earth did you post either of these comments?

Mexicans and Muslims are races. You are being tricked into the liberal mantra of saying something is racist in their attempt to shame you into believing something.
Mexicans ARE rapists. Just like Whites are rapists, blacks, asians, the list goes on. What's wrong with shutting down immigration from a part of the world that produces the most terrorists until you can verify that the people you are letting in really don't pose a threat. That's not racism. That's called protecting your citizens.
Use logic and reasoning in your decision making, not feelings.

 

[soundforbjt]

Mexicans and Muslims are races. You are being tricked into the liberal mantra of saying something is racist in their attempt to shame you into believing something.
Mexicans ARE rapists. Just like Whites are rapists, blacks, asians, the list goes on. What's wrong with shutting down immigration from a part of the world that produces the most terrorists until you can verify that the people you are letting in really don't pose a threat. That's not racism. That's called protecting your citizens.
Use logic and reasoning in your decision making, not feelings.

Trump's latest plan (I haven't checked today) is to do what is already being done now and call it extreme vetting and put his name on it.

 

[pcgeek11]

Trump's latest plan (I haven't checked today) is to do what is already being done now and call it extreme vetting and put his name on it.

Only the gullible believe that tripe.

Exactly how are they vetting Syrian Refugees with no records or document trail?

Be specific.

 

[jackstar7]

Only the gullible believe that tripe.

Exactly how are they vetting Syrian Refugees with no records or document trail?

Be specific.

You should research it. I bet you'd learn a lot.

 

[pcgeek11]

You should research it. I bet you'd learn a lot.

Soundforbjt made the claim that they are already being vetted or extremely vetted as per Trumps requirement. I'm open to hear what that is exactly since he is so informed.

So now I guess you are too. Fill me in, share your vast insider info. Or are you both going to continue making empty claims as usual?

Syrian refugee undocumented. How do you vet them?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Soundforbjt made the claim that they are already being vetted or extremely vetted as per Trumps requirement. I'm open to hear what that is exactly since he is so informed.

So now I guess you are too. Fill me in, share your vast insider info. Or are you both going to continue making empty claims as usual?

Syrian refugee undocumented. How do you vet them?

This took less that 30 seconds on Google.

https://www.uscis.gov/refugeescreening

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/30...s-in-america-is-incredibly-long-and-thorough/

 

[SP33Demon]

Some would argue that primarily Islamic countries are not as optimal as first world secular democracies. They generally use statistics like life expectancy, standardized education test scores, standard of living, freedom index, etc... to back up those claims.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alon-benmeir/is-islam-compatible-with_b_3562579.html

From your link:

Yes, political Islam and democracy can work, but not by pushing for early elections. A transitional government, led by a respected leader who is not shackled by a strong ideology and who can cultivate consensus and has wide public appeal, must take at least two years to allow secular and Islamic parties to develop their political platforms and make the public fully aware of their socio-economic policy and other urgent issues facing their nation.

lol wut? So this clown is putting a 2 yr limit on it now? I should've known better than to click on a huffpo link. smh

 

[pcgeek11]

This took less that 30 seconds on Google.

https://www.uscis.gov/refugeescreening

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/30...s-in-america-is-incredibly-long-and-thorough/

That is for people that actually have a paper trail.

I would say most from Syria do not have said documentation, and the local governments no longer exist over there.

Either way, I think things will slow down a bit.

 

[Victorian Gray]

That is for people that actually have a paper trail.

I would say most from Syria do not have said documentation, and the local governments no longer exist over there.

Either way, I think things will slow down a bit.

You didn't bother to read either of those links did you? The 1st one, btw, is the DHS.

 

[pcgeek11]

You didn't bother to read either of those links did you? The 1st one, btw, is the DHS.

Yes actually I did even before you posted them.

If it is on the internet it Must be True.

Right.

 

[lopri]

It was and is a silly (but disturbing) idea to work his supporters up. The notion that we should keep an eye on a little girl wearing hijab because someone of same religion hates America from the opposite end of the globe is absurd on its face and disturbing underneath. The same folks then proceed to issue dire warnings of persecution of religious liberty, apparently that of Christianity, when a government employee is disciplined for refusing to serve same-sex couples in the name of God. Irony is deep, indeed.

 

[greatnoob]

If it is on the internet it Must be True.

So you're essentially saying there is no screening process and the gubbament is lying?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Yes actually I did even before you posted them.

If it is on the internet it Must be True.

Right.

So you believe that the Department of Homeland Security doesn't know what it's doing and that the information that they provide on their site is all a lie?

 

[brycejones]

So you believe that the Department of Homeland Security doesn't know what it's doing and that the information that they provide on their site is all a lie?

This could be interesting.....

 

[trenchfoot]

This could be interesting.....

I concur.

 

[sportage]

Think of it this way, if Hillary was elected we would be talking about her plan t make all gun owners register in a national database. I'm sure more than half of you would be ok with that and all for it.
I'd like to hear the actual interview they are talking about, because the news never edits things to fit what they want to push. Much like ABC editing the video footage of George Zimmerman to remove portions that showed the injuries to his head.
I don't believe anything a media outlet says unless there is actual uncut video proof.

Oh come on...
They said that same F###ing thing about Obama for 8 F##ing years and show me where one F###ing gun owner is registered on anything other than their own F###ing paranoid idiots list.

After Trump takes away your social security, your medicare, your 401K, your job and all your dignity I can guarantee you, you will still have your gun.

 

[mikeymikec]

You were wrong about using that word, I think everybody agrees with that. That wasn't what I was referring to but hey, whatever.

And you've flip-flopped again.

That is a sticky one isn't it? Wasn't Christianity tamed by continuous disrespect (starting with Voltaire)? How can reformation of a religion occur absent disrespect?

I think you're confusing disrespect with critical analysis (not referring to Voltaire here). More to follow...

For example, if a religious person says their God makes it impossible for evolution to occur.... that his belief should be used in science books. THEN it is perfectly fine to treat that person's assertion with utter contempt and derision..... it just is.....

Except that's not the order that history went in, at least AFAIK.

IMO, when looking at the history of Christianity versus the rise of civilisation in Western nations, two very basic things occurred: When a power that draws its influence from the immaterial confronts a power that draws from the material (eg. people with money, resources, technology), the latter will eventually win out over a long enough time span.

The second being that Christian leaders realised that it was them who looked like arseholes for locking up educated people who dared to air theories that challenged their beliefs.

Back to the present - I don't think there's any question that Islam has some problematic elements, but those need to be challenged from within, with examples of a better way from outside. The reason why can be found with modern Christianity: Many American Christians actually believe that there's a "war on Christianity", possibly for two reasons, the first could be called "Christian privilege" (ie. they want to fight back against the steady waning of their influence), the second possibly being simply disrespect. It might be the case that the disrespect generally happens when they do things that aren't worthy of respect (e.g. making policy changes to how science is taught by ensuring that their own supporters are the only ones with a say (or deciding say) on the topic), but that doesn't change things in their opinion, because they're doing "God's work".

If especially women from predominantly Islamic nations can see that their freedoms are respected and their views are tolerated outside of those nations, then they will likely start asking pointed questions at home about why they must bear the brunt of "man's limitations". If however they see that outside of those nations while they have more freedoms it must be that they're seen and not heard, then it's reasonable to assume that they might view it at best as "give and take" (e.g. they get to wear what they like, and accusing someone of rape does not result in the accuser getting stoned to death, and what's taken is likely a very important facet of their life, their religious belief). Or at worst as almost prostitution, ie. they're showing flesh in exchange for other freedoms* and at the additional cost of their religious belief. I wouldn't be surprised if many Muslim women who hold their beliefs strongly would rather put a bullet between their eyes than do something as sinful as that.

* - and considering cases like Brock Turner or the Steubenville rape case, it's hardly as if America is seen to have reached the pinnacle of justice and balance with regard to crimes against women, so Muslim women might see that as a dubious and uncertain benefit.

 

[pcgeek11]

So you're essentially saying there is no screening process and the gubbament is lying?

You mean Government?

What I am saying is I do not believe they are properly vetting all of the refugees from Syria as the paper trail is nonexistent. You can believe if you wish, I do not.

I would rather they establish a safe zone that is supported by all the countries involved in the area and take care of them there until they can resettle in their war torn country.

 

[pcgeek11]

So you believe that the Department of Homeland Security doesn't know what it's doing and that the information that they provide on their site is all a lie?

I'm sure they know exactly what they are doing, what their bosses in the White House tells them to.

 

[agent00f]

Probably impossible, but you could start by not respecting it. Ultimately education is how you'd rid the world of religion, since you can't fight totalitarianism with totalitarianism. Doesn't mean you can't try stop the worst (best?) of their adherents from entering your country, as immigration policy.

Funny how the best argument any apologist can come up is that islam is ok because nobody really follows it that closely, and that their family doctor of 10 years is a wonderful man. There's nothing to recommend about islam, or either of the nonsense it was plagiarized from. It's also actually worse than either since it claims to be the final revelation. It's the ultimate monotheism. It's probably going to dominate the world in 50 years unless we make america great again.

There's been a few posters here who've endorsed ethnic cleansing, and I suspect quite some more wouldn't mind it and might even help out if it came to that. Quite likely they're all rather pleased with Trump.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'm sure they know exactly what they are doing, what their bosses in the White House tells them to.

Sorry, nothing I can do for willful ignorance.

 

[pcgeek11]

Sorry, nothing I can do for willful ignorance.

That is your opinion, not a fact.

Where do they get the documentation to vet these Syrian refugees?

Do you believe everything you read on the internet? You know the Government has never lied before, right?