Trump wants to air mass executions on TV.

[eikelbijter]

Yeah but you dont live in NYC

/ducks

I don't, so?

 

[Meghan54]

Yes, but don't you realize?
Whatever eikelbijter claims to witness outside his window is stronger "empirical" evidence than your silly studies. These parasites don't want housing!

/s

Let’s not forget the more than generous offer Nimrata made to the homeless in Columbia, SC when she was SC gov.

She’d provide an empty warehouse just outside the city limits all just for them…as long as they don’t try to re-enter Columbia and there will be sheriff deputies assigned to assist them in that regard.

Guess what didn’t happen.

 

[fskimospy]

Unfortunately that is what a good part of the population here in LA is ready to effect. They are the ones that simplify the problem the OTHER way, insinuating that ALL homeless are worthless, useless criminals. All I'm saying is, there is a PART of the unhoused that don't want to participate, and choose to live a parasitic lifestyle, and a part that's, at least around here, but from what I've experienced also in other cities, growing.

Just stop, seriously. You’re embarrassing yourself.

 

[eikelbijter]

Let’s not forget the more than generous offer Nimrata made to the homeless in Columbia, SC when she was SC gov.

She’d provide an empty warehouse just outside the city limits all just for them…as long as they don’t try to re-enter Columbia and there will be sheriff deputies assigned to assist them in that regard.

Guess what didn’t happen.

Isn't it crazy that I get called names for calling something I see with my own eyes EVERY DAY because it doesn't fit with particular "scientific" studies? By "scientists" nonetheless! I never said ALL homeless are parasites, did I?

 

[eikelbijter]

Just stop, seriously. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Says the person who calls others names like damn child! Dude....

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[MrSquished]

It is very sad to say that degenerate American culture has sent us into a spiral of depression that we are back at crime rates from 2012 which is, amusingly, prior to the time our good friend here said our culture went off the rails.

Although I'm pretty confident from seeing him in other threads that no amount of evidence will dent him in the slightest.

You don't consider the consistent politics, the consistent American way to stunt housing and promote single family home living , promoting the car over mass transit ,growing wealth inequality, the religious oppression and continued social oppression of the many by the few to be at all a part of American culture?

A lot of this is indeed intertwined with one of the peak points of American culture - always the individual over the many.

It is quite intertwined.

 

[fskimospy]

You don't consider the consistent politics, the consistent American way to stunt housing and promote single family home living , promoting the car over mass transit ,growing wealth inequality, the religious oppression and continued social oppression of the many by the few to be at all a part of American culture?

A lot of this is indeed intertwined with one of the peak points of American culture - always the individual over the many.

It is quite intertwined.

Sorry, what don’t I consider?

 

[Pohemi]

nm, missed the mod edit above lol

Peace out, dickbiter.

 

[MrSquished]

Yeah but you dont live in NYC

/ducks

You wouldn't know what to do with yourself in a city with so much diversity and culture and a lower ratio of small minded people than most areas, so please don't come

 

[Moonbeam]

In response to public executions of the homeless and criminal of America how about we ship all the white people back to Europe where they came from. There should be lots of houses that would come on the market lowering prices.

 

[MrSquished]

Sorry, what don’t I consider?

I thought I read you telling him he shouldn't be shitting on American culture as a cause for this problem. Maybe I misread.

American culture is highly intertwined with the socioeconomic failures that we are experiencing, including not enough housing.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm 100% with fskimospy on this. We need to relax zoning regulations and build more and denser housing. And not this "affordable housing" BS which is just affluent liberal codespeak for a tiered system that protects their appreciating home values while relieving their consciences of the homeless problem caused by their greed, but housing for everyone and lots of it.
Doing this will both reduce housing costs by increasing supply while also creating countless jobs.

Personally I would think a lot of people would look at a place doing that sort of thing as a very desirable place to live, one that so many would want to move to that only a few would be able to afford it. They've done a ton of building where I live and places run into the millions. People seem to get off on owning expensive places. Mind set seems to be a big part of what determines value.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm 100% with fskimospy on this. We need to relax zoning regulations and build more and denser housing. And not this "affordable housing" BS which is just affluent liberal codespeak for a tiered system that protects their appreciating home values while relieving their consciences of the homeless problem caused by their greed, but housing for everyone and lots of it.
Doing this will both reduce housing costs by increasing supply while also creating countless jobs.

His idea of relaxing zoning laws is simply eliminating them altogether. Bad idea.

Zoning laws need to be seriously relaxed, but to simply eliminate them is silly.

 

[Pohemi]

In response to public executions of the homeless and criminal of America how about we ship all the white people back to Europe where they came from. There should be lots of houses that would come on the market lowering prices.

I wasn't sure if I detected an /s or not, but I am sure that any given country in Europe wouldn't want white Americans migrating there (or being booted back there) en masse. lol

 

[darkswordsman17]

I wasn't sure if I detected an /s or not, but I am sure that any given country in Europe wouldn't want white Americans migrating there (or being booted back there) en masse. lol

They surely would have no problem applying for refugee status seeing how they'd be fleeing religious persecution.

 

[Moonbeam]

His idea of relaxing zoning laws is simply eliminating them altogether. Bad idea.

Zoning laws need to be seriously relaxed, but to simply eliminate them is silly.

Yup. Rural states need to change city zoning laws to agricultural use only. That will eliminate homelessness in cities. I mean we have already decided that its not an issue to force people lose their preferred way of life.

 

[fskimospy]

Yup. Rural states need to change city zoning laws to agricultural use only. That will eliminate homelessness in cities. I mean we have already decided that its not an issue to force people lose their preferred way of life.

Remember, you’re the person who wants to force people to do things. Our position is to NOT force people to do things.

 

[Pens1566]

Well, I think P&N just witnessed a public execution.

Seems like they work just fine ...

 

[Moonbeam]

Remember, you’re the person who wants to force people to do things. Our position is to NOT force people to do things.

And what would you call the waiting game you play pining for the day when the growing desirability of some geographical location made desirable in the first place for its low density zoning becomes the source of such envy that a majority of such envious outside that location demand their own access to it, and, of course, as a result of the fact they can’t personally afford the price that envy creates?

I read somewhere that the Bonsai tree is an echo of the acacia that grows on the African savanna.

Too many camel bones and people forget what a real camel looks like. A saying.

Question: If density is the answer then why is it that the greater the density the higher the cost of housing? I hear it costs a lot to live in New York.

 

[fskimospy]

And what would you call the waiting game you play pining for the day when the growing desirability of some geographical location made desirable in the first place for its low density zoning becomes the source of such envy that a majority of such envious outside that location demand their own access to it, and, of course, as a result of the fact they can’t personally afford the price that envy creates?

I read somewhere that the Bonsai tree is an echo of the acacia that grows on the African savanna.

Too many camel bones and people forget what a real camel looks like. A saying.

Question: If density is the answer then why is it that the greater the density the higher the cost of housing? I hear it costs a lot to live in New York.

Two primary reasons: 1) New York is one of the most desirable places on earth to live in. 2) New York has constructed very little new housing in recent decades, which like California has caused prices to skyrocket.

As for what people are demanding, they aren’t demanding anything other than to build whatever sort of house they want on their own property. It’s a pretty simple thing, they just want you to leave them alone and stop banning house construction.

 

[IronWing]

Two primary reasons: 1) New York is one of the most desirable places on earth to live in. 2) New York has constructed very little new housing in recent decades, which like California has caused prices to skyrocket.

As for what people are demanding, they aren’t demanding anything other than to build whatever sort of house they want on their own property. It’s a pretty simple thing, they just want you to leave them alone and stop banning house construction.

Of course, now and forever, you’ll ignore the externalities that come from those private decisions because they blow your entire argument out of the water.

It is pure delusion to think that waiving all zoning as you wish will produce anything but more high priced homes as builders maximize profits. It won’t address the homeless problem but will help the rich get even richer.

The real issue remains that the hyper concentration of wealth and income is starving the middle class out of an obtainable middle class lifestyle and grinding the poor to dust.

 

[fskimospy]

Of course, now and forever, you’ll ignore the externalities that come from those private decisions because they blow your entire argument out of the water.

It is pure delusion to think that waiving all zoning as you wish will produce anything but more high priced homes as builders maximize profits. It won’t address the homeless problem but will help the rich get even richer.

The real issue remains that the hyper concentration of wealth and income is starving the middle class out of an obtainable middle class lifestyle and grinding the poor to dust.

Ah yes, that well known principle of economics where increasing the supply of something raises the price.

This is what I mean about the nonsense people convince themselves of when it comes to housing. Suddenly the foundational law of economics stops applying.

 

[Moonbeam]

Two primary reasons: 1) New York is one of the most desirable places on earth to live in. 2) New York has constructed very little new housing in recent decades, which like California has caused prices to skyrocket.

As for what people are demanding, they aren’t demanding anything other than to build whatever sort of house they want on their own property. It’s a pretty simple thing, they just want you to leave them alone and stop banning house construction.

I want to use my property to house nuclear waste but my neighbor won’t let me. She is a real meanie. Some bullshit about her kids.

And why did NYC stop building more housing. Don’t tell me it was to keep more packing in there, please? That would be like rats protecting their lifestyle from greater rattiness.

 

[blackangst1]

I don't, so?

I was poking fun @fskimospy based on his previous comments.

 

[fskimospy]

I want to use my property to house nuclear waste but my neighbor won’t let me. She is a real meanie. Some bullshit about her kids.

As I’ve always said this refers to housing and not industrial applicarions and that no one should be allowed to make things that are unsafe.

You are making silly arguments because you have no other answer.

And why did NYC stop building more housing. Don’t tell me it was to keep more packing in there, please? That would be like rats protecting their lifestyle from greater rattiness.

For the same reason as anywhere else - incumbent landowners have a direct financial incentive to keep housing scarce.