Trump University - a fraud according to students

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buckshot24

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Actually I showed you the debate, I even provide evidence of the words translation and its history. You, like the bitch you are, ignored it.
How old are you? I'm not going to waste time on little snots such as yourself any further.

Don't answer.
 

Subyman

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You do realize that these issues get blown out of proportion because of all the assumptions your side makes?

Do you have a problem with an organization only helping specific ethnicities to the exclusion of all others? This is the problem I have with the organization.

I used to have a problem with that when I was in undergrad. I saw a lot of black and latino organizations and thought why isn't there a white organization? Then as I got older I realized the US is the white organization and many of the latino and black students came from families that had parents that never went to college, who may not speak English, who have stereotypes to deal with, and who need guidance targeted to their specific circumstances and can benefit from having a group of people helping them from the same background.

As a white guy from a middle-upper class family, I can't relate or understand the specific issues that minorities face, but I completely understand why they'd need specific groups whose specialty is to help them get through a system created by mostly white people (professional schools, legal system, etc) especially if they are the first generation of their minority family to do so.

As for scholarships targeting only certain demographics, it can be strange. However if they are targeting demographics that are traditionally under served or underrepresented in colleges or in their community then I see it as a diversity promoting act.
 
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DrPizza

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Quite possibly diversionary, what does Trump not want us to investigate?
He doesn't want us to discuss that he bribed the Texas A.G. to drop the investigation of Trump U for fraud. He doesn't want us to investigate that he made a 25,000 donation to Florida's A.G. 4 days before she said, "oh, never mind. We decided not to investigate Trump U."

/attempts to divert topic back on topic


Can you imagine the outrage if the right found out that Hillary donated $35,000 to the campaign for someone being reelected, and 4 days later, that very person announced that he/she was going to end the FBI investigation of her emails?

I cannot fathom how there isn't more public outcry over Trump's bribes.
 
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Moonbeam

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I hope this shtick will go away in November.

Why would it, are you planning to return from tour current state of insanity in November?

Ever wonder how your morality would hold up if tested. You are getting a failing grade.
 

buckshot24

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I used to have a problem with that when I was in undergrad. I saw a lot of black and latino organizations and thought why isn't there a white organization? Then as I got older I realized the US is the white organization and many of the latino and black students came from families that had parents that never went to college, who may not speak English, who have stereotypes to deal with, and who need guidance targeted to their specific circumstances and can benefit from having a group of people helping them from the same background.

As a white guy from a middle-upper class family, I can't relate or understand the specific issues that minorities face, but I completely understand why they'd need specific groups whose specialty is to help them get through a system created by mostly white people (professional schools, legal system, etc) especially if they are the first generation of their minority family to do so.

As for scholarships targeting only certain demographics, it can be strange. However if they are targeting demographics that are traditionally under served or underrepresented in colleges or in their community then I see it as a diversity promoting act.
Thank you for that honest and kind explanation.

My biggest problem with these sorts of groups is it promotes segregation. We should help people who need help, not because their ancestors are from some specific place.
 

Moonbeam

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Thank you for that honest and kind explanation.

My biggest problem with these sorts of groups is it promotes segregation. We should help people who need help, not because their ancestors are from some specific place.

But you see one form of segregation, not that the focus on one group is designed to decrease the segregation in the group they seek to join.

You just have this all upside down.
 

Subyman

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Thank you for that honest and kind explanation.

My biggest problem with these sorts of groups is it promotes segregation. We should help people who need help, not because their ancestors are from some specific place.

The issue is that their specific needs arise from their past and how the US has treated those minorities in the past. Those group do not actually promote segregate, quite the opposite. They help certain demographics succeed and they give them the tools they need to integrate into the US higher education and legal systems.

I think of them more as transition groups, which the Asians have perfected. A new Asian immigrate comes to the US and joins their local immigrant transition or advocacy group. These groups provide them with the cultural and financial information and stability they need to become marketable in the US work force. Look into the history of Chinese restaurants in the US. The groups would hook up immigrant families with loans and services to start restaurants around the US.

Over time these groups will become less relevant and as they become less relevant it means that their work of transitioning the certain demographics they help rise up into society has worked.
 

MrPickins

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Yes, it is the literal translation of the word to call it "race" but it could be used as an idiom for something else. You can't call it an inaccurate translation when that is literally what the word means.

Bullshit.

Look at the garbled mess that comes from a lot of literal translations using Google Translate.
 

hal2kilo

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Why would it, are you planning to return from tour current state of insanity in November?

Ever wonder how your morality would hold up if tested. You are getting a failing grade.

Now we are lashing out? Bye.
 

buckshot24

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The issue is that their specific needs arise from their past and how the US has treated those minorities in the past. Those group do not actually promote segregate, quite the opposite.
Sorry Raul, your room is over there, Abdul yours is that way, Jimmy you're screwed we don't have a room for you because that would be racist.

Separating people is segregation no matter how much you think it will end up turning out swell. You're welcome to your faith in these groups but you are still separating people.

If people need help, then by all means help them. Don't exclude them because they aren't their race.
 

Subyman

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Sorry Raul, your room is over there, Abdul yours is that way, Jimmy you're screwed we don't have a room for you because that would be racist.

Separating people is segregation no matter how much you think it will end up turning out swell. You're welcome to your faith in these groups but you are still separating people.

If people need help, then by all means help them. Don't exclude them because they aren't their race.

Please read the entire post. The groups help integrate minorities into society. They specialize in specific demographics. Think of a clinic that specializes in cancer patients. You could say they deny people with heart problems, but that's not telling the entire story.