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Trump to impose tariffs on Mexico due to immigration/asylum issue, starting June 10

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SMOGZINN said:
Then how about we fix immigration court so they don't have to wait so long? The billions we have already spend on a useless wall could have went a long way towards that.
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Let’s not forget Trump took money AWAY from the courts as well! They are now worse off than before he started this whole mess.
 
brandonbull said:
Paying for illegal aliens to play soccer and get free health care while awaiting immigration court is a very large random tax on the American taxpayer.
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Proof of cost?

This mass detention program is Trump's idea BTW. So one bad idea trying to be fixed by an even worse one ... Genius.

You sure must hate Latinos a lot to be willing to tax American consumers billions of dollars ($75-100B/yr) and cost all sorts of business closures and lost jobs.
 
It's hilarious how Republicans claimed that Obama was ruling like a king and that they were the patriots in resisting his rule, and now Trump issues his tariff (and other) edicts without consulting anyone in his party, or even giving them a heads up. What do they do? They act like shoppers at a Black Friday sale as the doors open in their rush to defend his decisions.
 
Bitek said:
Proof of cost?

This mass detention program is Trump's idea BTW. So one bad idea trying to be fixed by an even worse one ... Genius.

You sure must hate Latinos a lot to be willing to tax American consumers billions of dollars ($75-100B/yr) and cost all sorts of business closures and lost jobs.
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Why do I hate Latinos? Why do you hate American citizens so much that you continue to support of 100,000+ people trying to enter the country illegally each month and the additional cost that imposes on taxpayers and the entire infrastructure of the country?
 
brandonbull said:
Why do I hate Latinos? Why do you hate American citizens so much that you continue to support of 100,000+ people trying to enter the country illegally each month and the additional cost that imposes on taxpayers and the entire infrastructure of the country?
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Let me ask you somoething genius, if you could snap your stubby orange fingers and make all the undocumented disapear tomorrow what do you think would happen to the economy. No guesses, use what minimal facts you have obtained over time.
 
HomerJS said:
Let me ask you somoething genius, if you could snap your stubby orange fingers and make all the undocumented disapear tomorrow what do you think would happen to the economy. No guesses, use what minimal facts you have obtained over time.
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I know, I know. I also know you weren't looking for an answer from someone like myself, but I will give it anyway. What would most likely happen is we would see certain sectors of our economy collapse due to the people that were doing those jobs no longer being available to do those jobs. Agriculture would collapse because Americans refuse to be out in the fields all day picking fruits and vegetables. Quite a few service industries would be in trouble because again Americans refuse to do those jobs.
 
brandonbull said:
Why do I hate Latinos? Why do you hate American citizens so much that you continue to support of 100,000+ people trying to enter the country illegally each month and the additional cost that imposes on taxpayers and the entire infrastructure of the country?
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Gotta ask yourself why the republicans did shit all about while they had the presidency and Congress for 2 years. Womp womp.
 
Lol yesterday The Dotard claimed senators didn't know what they were talking about when it comes to who pays for tariffs.
 
brandonbull said:
Why do I hate Latinos? Why do you hate American citizens so much that you continue to support of 100,000+ people trying to enter the country illegally each month and the additional cost that imposes on taxpayers and the entire infrastructure of the country?
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What costs?

The tariff taxes are a real number, a potentially large number, paid by everyone. This will also cost jobs and business.

The problem you/Trump are trying to "fix" is magnitudes of orders less costly than this "solution."

Really, the border was under reasonable control until The Dotard came in with his bad ideas, zero tolerance and child separation. Now it's a goddamn disaster and he wants to jack up taxes in a hamfisted and self immolation response.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1137045728344170496

Even for Trump this is more disjointed from reality than usual.

He's threatening Mexico over immigration and now wants them to, somehow, buy farm commodities from the US...something they already do and there is no mechanism/reason for their gov to just purchase more. But the basis of his tariff threat is national security and he says they'll get around it with what is effectively a political payoff for him.

Also fun fact that the process to charge duties along the souther border is at least a couple of months away from being able to handle the volume of trade. If US tariffs go on then the Mexicans will probably retaliate so cross border trade in both directions could grind to a virtual halt in the short term. This is very bad for many reasons.
 
The relationship between Mexico and the US is more like a husband and wife. Hubby has turned abusive and the wife has been trying to work with him to get him to calm down and stop drinking so much. But she doesn't really have anywhere that she can go. Either she has to take the abuse or...not.

There is some chance that Mexico will simply cave and do as its told. And, granted, I don't know much about Obrador and his policies.
 
K1052 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1137045728344170496

Even for Trump this is more disjointed from reality than usual.

He's threatening Mexico over immigration and now wants them to, somehow, buy farm commodities from the US...something they already do and there is no mechanism/reason for their gov to just purchase more. But the basis of his tariff threat is national security and he says they'll get around it with what is effectively a political payoff for him.

Also fun fact that the process to charge duties along the souther border is at least a couple of months away from being able to handle the volume of trade. If US tariffs go on then the Mexicans will probably retaliate so cross border trade in both directions could grind to a virtual halt in the short term. This is very bad for many reasons.
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If China is smart, they subsidize farm equipment to Mexico so the US feels the idiocy even more!
 
Donny the Dealmaker: - "If we are able to make the deal with Mexico, & there is a good chance that we will, they will begin purchasing Farm & Agricultural products at very high levels, starting immediately. If we are unable to make the deal, Mexico will begin paying Tariffs at the 5% level on Monday!"

So ... in other words, you're trying to redo that "deal" to redo NAFTA?

One has to think that Mexico can allow itself to be emasculated only so many times before it says "Fuck this"

Given that Senate Republicans have said they would block any tariffs, I’m surprised Mexico showed up to talk at all.
 
brandonbull said:
Why do I hate Latinos? Why do you hate American citizens so much that you continue to support of 100,000+ people trying to enter the country illegally each month and the additional cost that imposes on taxpayers and the entire infrastructure of the country?
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Remember the 5 "D's" of whataboutism
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brandonbull said:
Why do I hate Latinos? Why do you hate American citizens so much that you continue to support of 100,000+ people trying to enter the country illegally each month and the additional cost that imposes on taxpayers and the entire infrastructure of the country?
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Notice how brandonbullshit completely slipped past the posts that didn’t fit into his fucked up world view?
 
brycejones said:
Notice how brandonbullshit completely slipped past the posts that didn’t fit into his fucked up world view?
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I think everyone notices it. Its the righty M.O., when uncomfortable truths are presented, simply ignore them. When the truth becomes inescapable, deflect, when deflection becomes impossible, lie. The order of denial is fluid too.
 
DarthKyrie said:
I know, I know. I also know you weren't looking for an answer from someone like myself, but I will give it anyway. What would most likely happen is we would see certain sectors of our economy collapse due to the people that were doing those jobs no longer being available to do those jobs. Agriculture would collapse because Americans refuse to be out in the fields all day picking fruits and vegetables. Quite a few service industries would be in trouble because again Americans refuse to do those jobs.
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it isn't that they refuse to do the work, they refuse to do the work for the pay offered, just isn't worth it to most. why break your back for less than minimum wage?

just remember what happened when alabama tried this:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/undocumented-workers-immigration-alabama

On November 16, 2011, police in Tuscaloosa stopped a driver for not having the proper tag on his rental car. Normally, this would have been a minor citation. But the driver did not have a license on him, only a German ID card, and that triggered what was supposed to be HB 56’s most powerful weapon against illegal immigration. Under the law, police were now required to arrest the man, haul him to court, and detain him until federal immigration authorities determined his fate, no matter how long that took.

As it turned out, the driver was an executive at Mercedes-Benz. The European car giant was one of several foreign auto companies in the state whose plants provide thousands of much-needed jobs.



The incident was soon followed by another traffic arrest involving a Japanese Honda worker. Together, the auto blow-ups sparked an outcry from the business community, who feared companies would pull out of the state. Pouring salt on the wound, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch ran an editorial inviting Mercedes to move their operations to the “Show-Me State” instead of the “Show me your papers” state.
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produce was rotting in the fields because all the undocumented left and the farmers could not get anyone to pick the crops, they lost millions.
 
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