Trump to address nation 4/13

[WelshBloke]

It is hysterical watching the UN/ All the white countries (save Russia) are down with American airstrikes. With regards to the representatives from brown countries... not so much..... not so much at all. Bolivia was particularly harsh.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/14/...&gwh=7540964948BA899B4A25B649DA509AF1&gwt=pay

So you've moved on from the whole "OMG! It'll be WW3 if anyone crosses Putin!" then?

 

[WelshBloke]

Are you retarded?

It is not a "fake satellite video". Lol. It is two satellite images (before and after the airstrikes) of Homs (one of the two cities that were hit, and the one that was hit with 76 cruise missiles).

Between the two images, the damage from the strike is clear. The US destroyed 3 very large buildings, probably requiring at least 3-6 tomahawks. But there is nowhere near 76 tomahawks worth of damage in these pictures.


Your stupid pictures are just close ups of a building lol. Funny how BBC isn't publishing any sattilite images to show all the damage. You would think they would want to show what 76 tons worth of high explosives can do to Syria but instead they'd rather take a pic from 10ft away of a pile of rubble and say "mission accomplished".

US wanted to destroy chemical factories. US launches targeted strikes against "very large buildings". FIVR complains that there isnt widespread damage.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

US wanted to destroy chemical factories. US launches targeted strikes against "very large buildings". FIVR complains that there isnt widespread damage.

It's part of the great alt-right Global World Order I tell you! The ability of people to distance themselves from reality is extraordinary.

 

[FIVR]

Damascus celebrates in defiance of US aggression

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=iXI6R69hUxY

 

[FIVR]

US wanted to destroy chemical factories. US launches targeted strikes against "very large buildings". FIVR complains that there isnt widespread damage.

I'm simply pointing out how western media is utterly blatant propaganda when covering anything Syria or Iran related. It is pretty obvious that Americans are being deceived into believing their military is some kind of all-powerful world police force when in fact we are bumbling about wasting millions of dollars while doing nothing but fomenting hate and looking like ridiculous warmongering idiots. Oh, and killing people... we do a whole lot of that too.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm simply pointing out how western media is utterly blatant propaganda when covering anything Syria or Iran related. It is pretty obvious that Americans are being deceived into believing their military is some kind of all-powerful world police force when in fact we are bumbling about wasting millions of dollars while doing nothing but fomenting hate and looking like ridiculous warmongering idiots. Oh, and killing people... we do a whole lot of that too.

Americans are some kind of all-powerful world police specifically because they can waste millions of dollars achieving their means.

 

[WelshBloke]

Oh, and killing people... we do a whole lot of that too.

You were complaining that they hadn't caused lots of collateral damage just now! Try to stick to one narrative at least!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You were complaining that they hadn't caused lots of collateral damage just now! Try to stick to one narrative at least!

Apparently we didn't do a good enough job. There are people alive in Damascus to get out and party.

 

[cytg111]

I'm simply pointing out how western media is utterly blatant propaganda when covering anything Syria or Iran related.

Wow, easy now! As opposed to what? What non western media is more objective? Do you understand how the free press works? I know Trump is trying to nerf the press but damn man, you are showing colors here .. what colors I am not sure, but showing them you are.

 

[WelshBloke]

Apparently we didn't do a good enough job. There are people alive in Damascus to get out and party.

It's kinda weird watching someone work out publicly which narrative they are going to push.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's kinda weird watching someone work out publicly which narrative they are going to push.

Indeed. There's also the statements of much cost for little destruction. A large part of the cost is to make sure that is exactly what happens. The mission wasn't to kill as many as possible, but to blow up structures. It would be cheaper by far to not worry about that and use cheaper and less accurate munitions. As an example I would put forward Dresden as an example of what could happen and far fewer planes needed. Again whether the mission is justified or not does not change the reality of a wide variety of options that technology offers to a nation which could be less particular about who dies.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

For anyone who cares, French findings.

http://thehill.com/policy/internati...-detailing-evidence-of-assad-role-in-chemical

 

[Glaring_Mistake]

It has always been my opinion that we should have never been in Syria to begin with. That ship sailed long ago during the Obama Presidency.

We should pull out ASAP and leave them to sort out their own.

That doesn't change the fact that there are three countries involved in the action tonight.

EDIT: All three of these countries own tonights action.

Anyone else reminded of this from the fourteenth of April 2017?

Obama did nothing. Time for a change.

I personally think the US should have acted then and maybe things would be better now.
I do not think that the numbers posted in the OP mean anything like what is implied.

Fuck you, you god damn liar.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...n-syria-is-path-to-war.2223221/#post-32934670

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ndsey-graham-say.2227571/page-2#post-33034094

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/world-exclusive-iran-will-send-4-000-troops-to-aid-bashar-al-assad’s-forces-in-syria.2325663/#post-35148500

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/world-exclusive-iran-will-send-4-000-troops-to-aid-bashar-al-assad’s-forces-in-syria.2325663/page-2#post-35151151

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/world-exclusive-iran-will-send-4-000-troops-to-aid-bashar-al-assad’s-forces-in-syria.2325663/page-2#post-35151291

Once Obama was denied by Congress is when your tune changed. You are such a partisan hack!

Source: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/wapo-atp-n-exposes-pure-hypocrisy-of-gop-base.2503887/

 

[Victorian Gray]

Without being presented the evidence Assad is behind the attacks ala Adlei Stevenson we are taking the word of our military.

Question, since Trump announced last week we are getting out of Syria soon, what would be the motive of Assad to launch a gas attack?

To show the world and, more importantly, what's left of the country, that he is in charge and he can do whatever he wants to.

 

[Maxima1]

Wag the dog!

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...syria-from-legal-team-defending-him-in-russia

Trump sought advice on Syria from legal team defending him in Russia probe: report

 

[Uhtrinity]

Wag the dog!

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...syria-from-legal-team-defending-him-in-russia

Trump sought advice on Syria from legal team defending him in Russia probe: report

Over the last week I have suspected a lot of his actions were motivated ... like the Scooter Libby thing sending a message to potential pardon recipients. My second thought was that Syria was used as a distraction, but thought it might be hard to prove, but then he does something like this. What a dumbass. That was this week alone and isn't the first where he has incriminated himself. I truly feel sorry for anyone who voted for the fool.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

So let me see if I've got this right. After conferring with his Russian probe legal defense team, he councils with our War team and issues a limited strike on some exceptionally hard targets in Syria. After spending $200M worth of hardware to pull down three buildings, he issues mission accomplished... all in an attempt to distract away from the fact Stormy Daniel and Mueller's about to disembowel him on the world stage?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So let me see if I've got this right. After conferring with his Russian probe legal defense team, he councils with our War team and issues a limited strike on some exceptionally hard targets in Syria. After spending $200M worth of hardware to pull down three buildings, he issues mission accomplished... all in an attempt to distract away from the fact Stormy Daniel and Mueller's about to disembowel him on the world stage?

I don't buy that. At all.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I don't buy that. At all.

Which part? The hill's reporting about the legal defense team part, we know the strike happened, we know the targets hit, we know the amount of hardware used, we know he issued a mission accomplished, and we have evidence that the idea is in his head that a strike on Syria is a valid distraction from ongoing controversies, per his tweet about Obama back in '13.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Which part? The hill's reporting about the legal defense team part, we know the strike happened, we know the targets hit, we know the amount of hardware used, we know he issued a mission accomplished, and we have evidence that the idea is in his head that a strike on Syria is a valid distraction from ongoing controversies, per his tweet about Obama back in '13.

This was a multi-government action being planned for months, which coincides with the French findings of Syrian involvement in gas strikes. I believe you are ex-military? If so you know the greatest problem, logistics. Three nations would need to have been moved into position and fully briefed an prepped between the time Cohen was caught and the attack. I think Trump may have consulted with his lawyers because those are the only people he would trust. Going to our experts on legality of a strike would be against his nature.

Anyway, this isn't about trust of Trump on my part but even with assets on the move I cannot see how this level of coordination between three nations on such short notice could be carried out. Trump is an SOB but not psychic.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

This was a multi-government action being planned for months, which coincides with the French findings of Syrian involvement in gas strikes. I believe you are ex-military? If so you know the greatest problem, logistics. Three nations would need to have been moved into position and fully briefed an prepped between the time Cohen was caught and the attack. I think Trump may have consulted with his lawyers because those are the only people he would trust. Going to our experts on legality of a strike would be against his nature.

Anyway, this isn't about trust of Trump on my part but even with assets on the move I cannot see how this level of coordination between three nations on such short notice could be carried out. Trump is an SOB but not psychic.

To be fair, we did move a carrier group into the gulf just 3 or so days ago. This very well could have been a 'rapid operation' primarily manned and hardware'd by the US rather than a true joint operation. I haven't heard any reports on how much France/UK were actually involved. I mean, all damage was done by US cruise missiles right? Were joint forces just running defense for the carrier group? That could happen with very little co-ordination as long as France/UK signed off on the actual strike pretty quickly.

This may all just be descending into conspiracy theory territory, I dunno. I just feel like I can suspect almost anything from Trump at this point and it just somehow ends up becoming true.

 

[Thebobo]

Worst teleprompter reader of all time? Trump?

But that's all he should do.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

To be fair, we did move a carrier group into the gulf just 3 or so days ago. This very well could have been a 'rapid operation' primarily manned and hardware'd by the US rather than a true joint operation. I haven't heard any reports on how much France/UK were actually involved. I mean, all damage was done by US cruise missiles right? Were joint forces just running defense for the carrier group? That could happen with very little co-ordination as long as France/UK signed off on the actual strike pretty quickly.

This may all just be descending into conspiracy theory territory, I dunno. I just feel like I can suspect almost anything from Trump at this point and it just somehow ends up becoming true.

Don't misunderstand, I don't put much beyond Trump but I have to be convinced by something more than seeing lawyers. Knowing what I know I'm going with Occam's Razor among other things.

Perhaps it will be informative to see foreign news sources once they have had time to make an assessment of their nation's involvement.

 

[pauldun170]

Neat!!
Syrians killed some other Syrians so we killed some Syrians and destroyed the buildings they worked in.The stated goal of the raid is not to stop Syrians from killing Syrians or really do anything. Just some symbolic murder and destruction stuff.

FIVR pulls up as much Russian propaganda as he could find and blast us with twitter.

Trump pats himself on the back for calling Comey a slimeball and we have the best weapons and Obama sucks and the ratings are very very good for the raid. Better than any of Obama's raid ratings.

Russia blames the US for attacking but they have Call of duty II footage proving that they shot down all the missiles and that the rubble was simple the result of US backed terrorist using homosexual behavior to undermine the foundation of the impacted buildings.

The UK and France can now say something about leadership and that they have combat proven equipment for sale that can penetrate Russian defenses, Invitations are being sent out to several middle eastern countries with laminated catalogs included.This statement has been brought to your by Storm Shadow©

 

[Maxima1]

Don't misunderstand, I don't put much beyond Trump but I have to be convinced by something more than seeing lawyers. Knowing what I know I'm going with Occam's Razor among other things.

Perhaps it will be informative to see foreign news sources once they have had time to make an assessment of their nation's involvement.

I think a lot of people think the attack itself is OK. It's just obvious that Trump wants to exploit things like this. It wasn't just the lawyers. We saw Trump saying he wanted to get out ASAP. Does a 180. Then asks if they can do a sustained assault in Syria but the military officials push back hard and he's upset about it. Never mind his past thinking on the manner of starting wars where he projects everyone does it with an ulterior motive.