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zinfamous said:
It's partisan hackery from both sides that has been going on for a few decades now. It isn't required, obviously...just some form of assumed tradition where only recently has debate revolved around whether or not is should be done.

While Trump is a raging thundercunt, I really don't care if he releases them or not. One side is always going to use this as a way to make political hay.

It's only "a rule" for as long as the first person refuses to do it and follows through with that refusal. Trump is the exact type of person to follow through. After that, it will likely never be an issue again.
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Mostly agree, but Trump promised to do it. At what point do we ask Trump to begin keeping his promises? Any other politician would rightly be criticized for backing out on a promise like that.
 
shira said:
The most frequent criticism of Hillary I hear from Trump supporters is that she's dishonest. But here are the totals for Politifact's ratings of her statements:

True: 44 statements (23%)
Mostly True: 53 statements (27%)
Half True: 42 statements (22%)
Mostly False: 31 statements (16%)
False: 22 statements (11%)
Pants on Fire: 3 statements (2%)

29% "mostly false" or worse for Hillary. And note that fully half of her statements rated "true" or "mostly true."

Then there's Trump.
True: 3 statements (2%)
Mostly True: 9 statements (6%)
Half True: 21 statements (15%)
Mostly False: 21 statements (15%)
False: 61 statements (43%)
Pants on Fire 26 statements (18%)

76% "mostly false" or worse, with an impressive 8% "true" or "mostly true."

But Trump supporters (and Republicans generally) hate Hillary because SHE is the dishonest one.

(Interestingly, "Lyin' Ted" rates only 72% "mostly false" or worse, with 22% "true" or "mostly true.")
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lol And Hillary's rating is even more impressive considering that she made all those statements under sniper fire AND whilst working for the people of the world in the shadowy but oh so honest Clinton Family Foundation.

zinfamous said:
It's partisan hackery from both sides that has been going on for a few decades now. It isn't required, obviously...just some form of assumed tradition where only recently has debate revolved around whether or not is should be done.

While Trump is a raging thundercunt, I really don't care if he releases them or not. One side is always going to use this as a way to make political hay.

It's only "a rule" for as long as the first person refuses to do it and follows through with that refusal. Trump is the exact type of person to follow through. After that, it will likely never be an issue again.
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Agree totally but for two points. First, Trump repeatedly says he will release them, so he deserves to take a hit in credibility if he doesn't, even though it's not required. Second, more info about a candidate tends to be a good thing, even granted that it is always used for partisan hackery from both sides.

I see this as exactly analogous to Hillary's running her own private server. If Trump is not releasing his tax records, then I'm assuming it's because he has something to hide. There is a right to the assumption of innocence in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion.
 
My guess is he will "free from the audit" right after he wins (if that happens), that way it will conveniently be too late to hurt him. If he loses, we'll never see them.
 
Blackjack200 said:
Mostly agree, but Trump promised to do it. At what point do we ask Trump to begin keeping his promises? Any other politician would rightly be criticized for backing out on a promise like that.
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Apparently never for the Trump bunch. So far they able to rationalize away every time he has changed direction.
 
In all honesty, why should he release his taxes? What perrogative does it serve? If he paid a higher tax rate than he should have, I would call him a fool... And guess what? A fool and their money are soon parted.

As people with OP's IQ level will say, "Don't hate the player, hate the game". I feel this statement applies perfectly with this retarded notion of demanding candidates release their taxes and demanding that they pay x appropriate %.

Hey OP: Are you paying extra to Uncle Sam than what you owed? Didn't think so.


I mean, of all things to bash Trump over (and there are plenty), making this one of them is just pathetic and stupid.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
In all honesty, why should he release his taxes? What perrogative does it serve? If he paid a higher tax rate than he should have, I would call him a fool... And guess what? A fool and their money are soon parted.

As people with OP's IQ level will say, "Don't hate the player, hate the game". I feel this statement applies perfectly with this retarded notion of demanding candidates release their taxes and demanding that they pay x appropriate %.

Hey OP: Are you paying extra to Uncle Sam than what you owed? Didn't think so.


I mean, of all things to bash Trump over (and there are plenty), making this one of them is just pathetic and stupid.
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It was good enough for Trump to demand Mitt release his taxes its good enough for Mitt to do the same this isn't a new expectation for Politicians to reveal their income/finances.
 
Why should Donald release his tax returns?

Because he said he would (let's not mention the fact that he is a successful businessman.)

This is the end of this diminutive citizen's statement. D:
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
In all honesty, why should he release his taxes? What perrogative does it serve? If he paid a higher tax rate than he should have, I would call him a fool... And guess what? A fool and their money are soon parted.

As people with OP's IQ level will say, "Don't hate the player, hate the game". I feel this statement applies perfectly with this retarded notion of demanding candidates release their taxes and demanding that they pay x appropriate %.

Hey OP: Are you paying extra to Uncle Sam than what you owed? Didn't think so.


I mean, of all things to bash Trump over (and there are plenty), making this one of them is just pathetic and stupid.
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But he shouldn't be allowed to have it both ways by saying he is going to release them.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
In all honesty, why should he release his taxes? What perrogative does it serve? If he paid a higher tax rate than he should have, I would call him a fool... And guess what? A fool and their money are soon parted.

As people with OP's IQ level will say, "Don't hate the player, hate the game". I feel this statement applies perfectly with this retarded notion of demanding candidates release their taxes and demanding that they pay x appropriate %.

Hey OP: Are you paying extra to Uncle Sam than what you owed? Didn't think so.


I mean, of all things to bash Trump over (and there are plenty), making this one of them is just pathetic and stupid.
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He's very publicly criticizing, for example, Amazon CEO Bezos on tax structure relating to the Washington Post and essentially threatening him with retribution if elected. I would think that makes his own situation relevant.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
He's very publicly criticizing, for example, Amazon CEO Bezos on tax structure relating to the Washington Post and essentially threatening him with retribution if elected. I would think that makes his own situation relevant.
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He has also repeatedly pledged to release them in the past and has attacked other presidential candidates for not doing so, making him a hypocrite.
 
Blackjack200 said:
Mostly agree, but Trump promised to do it. At what point do we ask Trump to begin keeping his promises? Any other politician would rightly be criticized for backing out on a promise like that.
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werepossum said:
lol And Hillary's rating is even more impressive considering that she made all those statements under sniper fire AND whilst working for the people of the world in the shadowy but oh so honest Clinton Family Foundation.


Agree totally but for two points. First, Trump repeatedly says he will release them, so he deserves to take a hit in credibility if he doesn't, even though it's not required. Second, more info about a candidate tends to be a good thing, even granted that it is always used for partisan hackery from both sides.

I see this as exactly analogous to Hillary's running her own private server. If Trump is not releasing his tax records, then I'm assuming it's because he has something to hide. There is a right to the assumption of innocence in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion.
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yep. The only reason I didn't bring up Trump's credibility in my post because, well...what credibility? He has long established that he has no credibility and yet it is very clear that his supporters really don't give a damn.

In fact, they seem to cum themselves every time he lies and goes back on a "promise." "That's right, King Don! You show dem assholes what you really mean by doing and saying the exactly opposite of what you previously done!"

I mean...what's the point? I get that he's terrified that that revealing his taxes will show his income is a mere 1/20th of what he claims and that investments should show he is somewhere around 1/3rd the wealth of what he actually claims...but will that matter to his supporters?

No, of course not--he is now even more like them (well, not at all obviously, but that will be the spin).
 
KB said:
I am not a Trump supporter, and I don't blame him for not wanting to release his taxes. No matter how much he paid or didn't pay, someone will find something in there to harass him about. Its really a no-win situation for him.
I bet he paid the full taxes he owes, with some accounting tricks, but because of our tax laws are setup with benefits for stockholders (something Warren Buffett says all the time), he won't have paid an effective rate nearly as much as most middle-class ratepayers.
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Most middle class Americans are taxed heavily because income is always taxed the most. The more income you make, the more you're going to be taxed. Many don't even know at what percentage they are being taxed. All they see are the deductions and their net pay.

Finally, many middle class Americans don't have investments. They don't have stocks, real estate, etc...
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Could Trump be paying a negative tax rate?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/19/opinions/donald-trump-low-taxes-robert-mcintyre-opinion/index.html

Basically could be getting more of a return than what he's paid. Kind of like a welfare queen or maybe king.

I'm still shocked this isn't spoke about more. I realize its not required but it make me suspicious he's so resistant.
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Far too much speculation there. Is it possible? Sure. I think it's probably far more likely that it would show that his tax rate is already low which would be very damaging to the narrative that the rich need more tax breaks.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Far too much speculation there. Is it possible? Sure. I think it's probably far more likely that it would show that his tax rate is already low which would be very damaging to the narrative that the rich need more tax breaks.
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He's already said multiple times that he pays as little tax as possible. The revelation of a low rate won't hurt him any. His taxes are more likely to reveal a shockingly low amount of net income for a person claiming to be worth 10B. That's the only thing that could punch a hole in his narrative.
 
K1052 said:
He's already said multiple times that he pays as little tax as possible. The revelation of a low rate won't hurt him any. His taxes are more likely to reveal a shockingly low amount of net income for a person claiming to be worth 10B. That's the only thing that could punch a hole in his narrative.
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The revelation of an obscenely low rate on an enormous income could damage him very badly, particularly if there are years where he paid no taxes at all. The notion that an uber wealthy tax dodger can claim to have middle class interests at heart is absurd, particularly when he's called for tax cuts at the top.
 
Jhhnn said:
The revelation of an obscenely low rate on an enormous income could damage him very badly, particularly if there are years where he paid no taxes at all. The notion that an uber wealthy tax dodger can claim to have middle class interests at heart is absurd, particularly when he's called for tax cuts at the top.
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This especially if they were years where he reduced staff or got back more than he paid.
 
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