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Remember when Black Lives Matter actually inspired people to actually burn a city to the ground? Yet people still support BLM 😉

So, I mean, if literally burning the country to the ground is not sufficient reason to stop supporting a cause, why should figuratively burning the country to the ground be sufficient reason?

No I don't remember that, in fact I remember peaceful protesters asking to keep the protests civil. Putting that aside, BLM's goal isn't too burn the country down if they don't get their way, can you say the same about the right? No, no you can't. All one has to do is look at the debt ceiling fiasco, unconstitutional voter ID laws, obstruction regarding any of congresses duties.
 
I don't think anybody actually cares about his taxes. The only reason people cared about Romney's taxes was Romney is ashamed to be rich. Trump makes his wealth a key talking point in his campaign.
Exactly, so it's entirely relevant for him to back up his claims with evidence that his claim aren't just BS. In that piece I quoted, he boasted about revealing his "financials." So in addition to his taxes, let's see them, the recent "financials." Since he CLAIMS to have revealed them before, revealing his current "financials" is no big deal, right? Let's see if his $10 billion claim is remotely accurate. And if it isn't, doesn't that say something about the man?
 
Speaking of altered reality, you do realize that his support spans party lines and there are even some Bernie supporters that claim they'll vote for Trump over Hillary. And there are PLENTY of people in the GOP that don't want him and are also considering a vote for Hillary to be the lesser of 2 evils. But none of those facts penetrate that concrete skull protecting that 1 functional brain cell that you have left.
How does the fact that candidates are often supported by those in "other bins" have anything to do with my post? I'm sure that a small percentage of right-wing Evangelicals would have supported Hillary regardless of who the Republican nominee ended up being, but what does that have to do with Trump's taxes?

The fact is, a majority of Republicans will vote for Trump, many simply because the label "Republican" will accompany his name on the ballot. Analogously for Democrats and Hillary. The difference is that people pretty much know what policies Hillary would be advocating as President; with Trump, not even Trump knows.
 
My guess is that he doesn't want to release them because they will show substantially less income than he typically boasts about. That would be pretty embarrassing.

Just check his already released financials.

I'll look at them if anyone can find a copy. If priceWaterhouseCoopers or a similar firm prepared/audited them I'd trust it.

If his inhouse accountants prep'd them I'd be wary.

If his tax returns are as complicated as most expect (500 companies etc.) 99% of tax accountants wouldn't be able to figure them out, much less the media etc.

Fern
 
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Maybe Mitt should troll like he was trolled



I've heard Donald hasn't paid any taxes for many, many years...

Might not have given the real estate crash etc. NOL's (net operating losses) can be carried forward and used to offset taxable for a number of years.

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In any case, if he's been audited all along as he claims his tax returns are 'gold' as the IRS has dug through them and approved or corrected them.

Fern
 
Just check his already released financials.

I'll look at them if anyone can find a copy. If priceWaterhouseCoopers or a similar firm prepared/audited them I'd trust it.

If his inhouse accountants prep'd them I'd be wary.

If his tax returns are as complicated as most expect (500 companies etc.) 99% of tax accountants wouldn't be able to figure them out, much less the media etc.

Fern
Reading Form 1040 and Schedule A would be trivial. Most of what we want to know would be revealed.

As to Trump's financials, where is his current, CPA-certified net-worth statement?
 
Might not have given the real estate crash etc. NOL's (net operating losses) can be carried forward and used to offset taxable for a number of years.

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In any case, if he's been audited all along as he claims his tax returns are 'gold' as the IRS has dug through them and approved or corrected them.

Fern
Trump couldn't possibly have lost money in the crash. He continually reminds us what a genius he is. He sees the future and then acts. Remember, he was the only one who foresaw the short- and long-term disastrous consequences that the Iraq invasion would lead to. So foreseeing the crash would have been trivial. A massive short of the entire real-estate industry would have doubled his net worth in one year. Can we expect to see anything less in his financials?
 
Might not have given the real estate crash etc. NOL's (net operating losses) can be carried forward and used to offset taxable for a number of years.

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In any case, if he's been audited all along as he claims his tax returns are 'gold' as the IRS has dug through them and approved or corrected them.

Fern

All the more reason to troll
 
Just check his already released financials.

I'll look at them if anyone can find a copy. If priceWaterhouseCoopers or a similar firm prepared/audited them I'd trust it.

If his inhouse accountants prep'd them I'd be wary.

If his tax returns are as complicated as most expect (500 companies etc.) 99% of tax accountants wouldn't be able to figure them out, much less the media etc.

Fern

Then his answer should be I'm not releasing them because 99.9% are too stupid to understand them.
 
The Washington Post Fact Checker gives Four Pinocchios (= completely false) to Trump's claim yesterday that “There’s nothing to learn from them,” in explaining yesterday why he wouldn't release his tax returns.

From the information early in the story, it's clear that Trump is an utter hypocrite when it comes to releasing tax returns: He's criticized other politicians for not releasing their tax returns, promised he'd reveal his own tax returns, and then broke those promises when the time came for him to follow through.

For those facing the paywall, here's an extensive excerpt:

Donald Trump has a history of promising to release his tax returns — and then not doing so.

In 2011, when Trump was spearheading the movement questioning whether President Obama was born in the United States, Trump told ABC News that he would release his tax returns if Obama released his long-form birth certificate. “I’d love to give my tax returns,” he said.

But once Obama released his birth certificate, Trump hedged. “At the appropriate time I’m going to do it,” he said. The appropriate time never came.


Then, in 2012, Trump criticized Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney for being slow to release his tax returns. He was asked by Fox News if he’d ever have a problem releasing his returns.

“No,” Trump said. “I actually think that it’s a great thing when you can show that you’ve been successful, and that you’ve made a lot of money, that you’ve employed a lot of people. I actually think that it’s a positive.”

But apparently, that was then. Trump now says he won’t release his taxes, citing a pending audit — not even back taxes from 2002 to 2008 that his lawyers claim have been cleared without penalty. Never mind that the first president to release his taxes, Richard Nixon, did so in in the midst of an audit. (Nixon ended up owing about $500,000, the equivalent of about $2.5 million today.)

Joseph J. Thorndike, director of the Tax History Project, says that Trump would be the first presidential candidate in 40 years not to release his tax return. Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton has released all of her tax returns for the past 33 years; Sen. Bernie Sanders has released his 2014 tax return, with some attachments missing.

The Facts

Trump in 2015 filed a financial disclosure form required of presidential candidates. The 92-page document did list assets and liabilities. But the form is not audited and may not be accurate. For instance, the Guardian newspaper reported that a Trump golf course is listed in the document as being worth $50 million — but in a lawsuit, Trump has claimed it was worth only $1.4 million.

By contrast, a federal tax return, especially for a business mogul like Trump, is a document that is carefully checked and rechecked by accountants — and it must be accurate, under penalty of law. Contrary to Trump’s claim, Thorndike says that there are many things that could be learned from a tax return.

First, the tax return reveals a person’s annual income. A person’s net worth is not disclosed, but voters would gain an understanding of a person’s cash flow.

Trump is highly sensitive about suggestions that he is not as wealthy as he claims. He sued Timothy O’Brien, author of the 2005 book “TrumpNation,” because O’Brien calculated that Trump was not worth the billions that he claimed. (O’Brien concluded Trump was worth just $150 million to $250 million.)

As part of discovery in the libel lawsuit, Trump had to turn over his tax returns. Trump lost the case, but the tax returns remain sealed, and O’Brien is not permitted to speak about them. “There’s reasons, I think, he doesn’t want to give up his tax returns,” O’Brien recently told Politico. “It’s because you see what his income actually is in those returns.”

O’Brien’s comment suggests that Trump’s income is much less than he has long suggested, even if he is associated with assets emblazoned with the “Trump” name all over them. Tax returns also might actually help experts make educated guesses about Trump’s true net worth.

Second, voters would understand the sources of a person’s income, such as how much comes from certain businesses, speeches, dividends, capital gains and so forth. Mitt Romney in 2011 earned most of his $13 million in income from investments, for instance, while Hillary Clinton in 2014 earned nearly $9 million from giving speeches, their tax returns show.

Third, a tax return would disclose how much a person gives to charity. Mitt Romney gave almost $2.3 million to charity in 2011. Bill and Hillary Clinton gave $3 million to charity in 2014; Bernie and Jane Sanders gave $8,300. We know these figures because of information in their tax returns.

Trump claims he has given $102 million to charity in the past five years, but a Washington Post investigation found not a cent in actual cash — mostly just free rounds of golf, given away by his courses for charity auctions and raffles. Trump’s tax return would clear up exactly how much he has really given to charity — indeed, whether he has given anything at all.

Fourth, a tax return would reveal how aggressive Trump has been on his taxes. There is no black and white approach to taxes; there are many gray areas subject to interpretation, especially regarding deductions. Trump frequently suggests that he knows how to game the system, so voters would learn whether he takes the same approach to his taxes. That is relevant because the president, after all, is the nation’s chief law enforcement officer and would be in charge of the Internal Revenue Service.

Voters would learn whether Trump is taking advantage of certain tax shelters. Any overseas assets must be reported, so voters would also learn how much Trump has invested out of the country.

Finally, the tax returns would disclose what percentage of Trump’s income actually goes to taxes. Voters angry at “billionaires and millionaires” who are perceived to not pay their fair share would learn whether Trump has managed to keep his effective tax rate as low as some members of the 400 richest taxpayers in the United States.

The IRS every year discloses information on the taxes of the 400 richest taxpayers, and Trump’s numbers could be compared to this rarefied group. Voters would discover whether Trump even qualifies. In 2013, a minimum annual income of $100 million was required.

“I think there is a lot to learn,” Thorndike said. “This is why people don’t like to release tax returns.”

Romney, in his Facebook post, assumed the worst.

“There is only one logical explanation for Mr. Trump’s refusal to release his returns: there is a bombshell in them,” he wrote. “Given Mr. Trump’s equanimity with other flaws in his history, we can only assume it’s a bombshell of unusual size.”

The Pinocchio Test

Trump falsely claims that voters would learn nothing from his tax returns. To the contrary, voters would learn a lot of information that Trump has long tried to hide from the public. Tax returns would help lift a veil of secrecy about Trump’s finances — and let voters know whether his claims about his wealth and charitable giving are true, or if he’s just a bombastic man behind the curtain akin to the Wizard of Oz.

Four Pinocchios
 
Greetings,

The irony of it all, a successful businessman dedicates his position to his accumulation of wealth, yet won't release his tax returns. Perhaps, his empire is a house of cards held together by teasing investors with fraudulent financials and the espousing of an ego that cannot be carried by the Titanic.

A family man who accuses Hillary of enabling her spouse in extra-marital affairs, while his children look on behind a façade of approval whilst harboring a deep-seated loathing of the family man who cheated on their mother.

Meanwhile back at the school grounds, some people are listening to the message of serious candidates, whilst others don't want to hear or meaningfully engage in rational discourse of the issues as long as their candidate has a mouth large enough to harbor the meaningless ships of non-essential cargo.

Stick around, the Donald will eventually say what you want to hear, never mind that 5 minutes ago he said the polar opposite. But, he is a successful business and family man, what he says makes no difference as long as it is the voice of angst and malcontents. :hmm:
 
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For those facing the paywall, here's an extensive excerpt:

Sen. Bernie Sanders has released his 2014 tax return, with some attachments missing.

You know Bernie Sanders does that shit on Turbo Tax with a shoe box full of receipts. His printer probably jammed while it was printing the hard copy and he didn't notice. He's running around the house "Jesus Jane, I can't find my Schedule A, I'm running for president and I can't find my Schedule A!"
 
I agreed with your post. The comment you quoted had to do with Ivy's post.

How does the fact that candidates are often supported by those in "other bins" have anything to do with my post? I'm sure that a small percentage of right-wing Evangelicals would have supported Hillary regardless of who the Republican nominee ended up being, but what does that have to do with Trump's taxes?

The fact is, a majority of Republicans will vote for Trump, many simply because the label "Republican" will accompany his name on the ballot. Analogously for Democrats and Hillary. The difference is that people pretty much know what policies Hillary would be advocating as President; with Trump, not even Trump knows.
 
Personally I suspect Trump won't release his tax records for the same reason Hillary won't release her speech transcripts: It's not required, and it's all down side with no possible up side.

That said, he's repeatedly said he would release them, so if he doesn't, that goes straight to credibility. I seriously doubt that anyone voting for Trump (or Mrs. Clinton) gives a flying hummer about credibility or honesty, but not releasing his tax records should at least prevent any Trump supporters from making claims about Hillary's credibility or honesty.
 
Personally I suspect Trump won't release his tax records for the same reason Hillary won't release her speech transcripts: It's not required, and it's all down side with no possible up side.

That said, he's repeatedly said he would release them, so if he doesn't, that goes straight to credibility. I seriously doubt that anyone voting for Trump (or Mrs. Clinton) gives a flying hummer about credibility or honesty, but not releasing his tax records should at least prevent any Trump supporters from making claims about Hillary's credibility or honesty.
The most frequent criticism of Hillary I hear from Trump supporters is that she's dishonest. But here are the totals for Politifact's ratings of her statements:

True: 44 statements (23%)
Mostly True: 53 statements (27%)
Half True: 42 statements (22%)
Mostly False: 31 statements (16%)
False: 22 statements (11%)
Pants on Fire: 3 statements (2%)

29% "mostly false" or worse for Hillary. And note that fully half of her statements rated "true" or "mostly true."

Then there's Trump.
True: 3 statements (2%)
Mostly True: 9 statements (6%)
Half True: 21 statements (15%)
Mostly False: 21 statements (15%)
False: 61 statements (43%)
Pants on Fire 26 statements (18%)

76% "mostly false" or worse, with an impressive 8% "true" or "mostly true."

But Trump supporters (and Republicans generally) hate Hillary because SHE is the dishonest one.

(Interestingly, "Lyin' Ted" rates only 72% "mostly false" or worse, with 22% "true" or "mostly true.")
 
I see no reason to require a person to release their taxes. Do reporters release their taxes? I saw a picture of Trump signing his taxes and next to him was a stack of paper over 2 feet high. He owns about 500 individual companies. Most people could not make head nor tails of what his taxes say.
 
I see no reason to require a person to release their taxes. Do reporters release their taxes? I saw a picture of Trump signing his taxes and next to him was a stack of paper over 2 feet high. He owns about 500 individual companies. Most people could not make head nor tails of what his taxes say.
No one is "required" to release their tax returns. But (1) every candidate for President over the past 40 years has released their tax returns, (2) Trump has criticized others for NOT releasing their tax returns, (3) Trump has stated/promised on at least three occasions that he WOULD release his tax returns, yet has always gone back on his promises, (4) there's a ton of stuff that can be learned from someone's return (see the Washington Post article I linked to a 7 posts up), and (5) as to the complexity of the returns: lots of tax experts would jump at the chance of analyzing Trump's returns, and they'd provide us with their analysis of what the returns mean.

Trump continually boasts about how rich he his and what a financial wizard he is. Well his tax returns would go a long way toward figuring out just how much money he is and just how well he's invested his money. The fact he so obviously does not want to release his tax returns makes it pretty clear that he has a lot to hide.
 
No one is "required" to release their tax returns. But (1) every candidate for President over the past 40 years has released their tax returns, (2) Trump has criticized others for NOT releasing their tax returns, (3) Trump has stated/promised on at least three occasions that he WOULD release his tax returns, yet has always gone back on his promises, (4) there's a ton of stuff that can be learned from someone's return (see the Washington Post article I linked to a 7 posts up), and (5) as to the complexity of the returns: lots of tax experts would jump at the chance of analyzing Trump's returns, and they'd provide us with their analysis of what the returns mean.

Trump continually boasts about how rich he his and what a financial wizard he is. Well his tax returns would go a long way toward figuring out just how much money he is and just how well he's invested his money. The fact he so obviously does not want to release his tax returns makes it pretty clear that he has a lot to hide.

Or just delaying it long enough to have some accountants go over it and make it ready for prime time. I'm sure his tax return(s) is/are YUUUUUUUGE.
 
I suspect he has something to hide and Romney knows it. In fact, I don't think Romney would have been nearly as outspoken and matter of fact about it if he didn't know something. My guess is Romney or others hired some people to dig into this and found something and it's for this reason they/he have been so outspoken about it. Otherwise he'd risk a lawsuit and I don't figure Romney to be that stupid.

So, whether it's shady dealings with foreign actors or less income and wealth than he's bragged about or something else my guess is he will not release his tax records until after the election if then. He has the dodge that he's being audited and I'm pretty sure he could have his team delay the process well beyond the election.


Brian
 
While democrats piss around all concerned about Trump taxes, past video clips of Trump bashing women, replaying Trump bashing Muslims, Hispanics, and ranting about white supremacist groups that support Trump, oh... and THE WALL, while democrats get mucked down with all that nonsense Donald Trump will stroll into the presidency.
And no one on the left will notice.
They will assume that past Trump is the dead in the water Trump.

However, a bigger problem for democrats would be if Hillary's candidacy also became obsessed with Trump and taxes, Trump and women, Trump and Muslims, Trump and Hispanics.
If Hillary loses her way, becomes distracted by the little things, this won't even be a contest.
Trump will march into the presidency while clueless democrats are looking the other way.

If Hillary is to have a chance, the issues would be her chance.
Social security.
Wage.
The middle class.
Education.
All those bread and butter issues.

Because no one gives a damn about Donald's tax returns. Or about what he has said and done in the past.
The main issue would be what Donald Trump, as president, plans for privatizing and eliminating social security. Medicare. Funding for the VA.
Because despite what Donald says about all the bread and butter issues, making up crap to fool seniors and veterans, the fact is Donald Trump is on the very same page as Paul Ryan.

Donald Trump is a typical Paul Ryan republican.
Donald believes in trickle down economics, and eliminating the social safety nets.
Absolutely and positively president Donald Trump would privatize social security, reform medicare into a voucher system, and kill any hope for a higher federal minimum wage.

The stupid thing for any voter would be in believing president Donald Trump could be anywheres near progressive or compassionate to the middle class worker.
If you want to know president Donald Trump's policies, you simply need to look at Paul Ryan policies.
Only a total idiot would believe Donald as anything else.
 
Except submitting taxes does not prove everything is clean and no conflict of interests.

Still sounds more like partisan hackery.

It's partisan hackery from both sides that has been going on for a few decades now. It isn't required, obviously...just some form of assumed tradition where only recently has debate revolved around whether or not is should be done.

While Trump is a raging thundercunt, I really don't care if he releases them or not. One side is always going to use this as a way to make political hay.

It's only "a rule" for as long as the first person refuses to do it and follows through with that refusal. Trump is the exact type of person to follow through. After that, it will likely never be an issue again.
 
I see no reason to require a person to release their taxes. Do reporters release their taxes? I saw a picture of Trump signing his taxes and next to him was a stack of paper over 2 feet high. He owns about 500 individual companies. Most people could not make head nor tails of what his taxes say.

huh? that's a michal1980 level strawman


as to people not being able to make sense of papers attributed to 500 companies (again, that number you are referring to is probably invented by Trump, like everything else. How do you verify it?), this stuff is dumped to the press. The press, in aggregate, tends to paw through this stuff over an evening and get plenty of relevant data out by the next morning.

It's not like one person is reviewing this information and becomes the single source for all of the public.
 
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