Trump stops Ford plant from shutting down

[trenchfoot]

I voted for him and i'm damn happy i did. I'm trying to hire more liberal losers and teach them how to actually work and be productive instead of sitting around and crying about how unfair the world is.

Heh, O-K Mr. Trump supporter, good for you. But you actually didn't answer my query. No big deal though, I get your drift.

 

[trenchfoot]

Whatever happened to "govt shouldn't be picking winners and losers" ideas all those small govt/ free market conservatives were pushing up until the end of the 2016 primaries?

How long until Trump starts wearing uniforms and pins medals to his chest?

The key to answering that is to stand across the street from Trump Tower and watch for Melania greeting a fleet of SUV's unloading a battalion of fashion designers from Europe with a bevy of sewists in tow loaded down with digi-camo prints in silk and bolts of vicuña fabric in navy white, air force blue and army green.

 

[agent00f]

Funniest thing about this thread is that these clowns are giving Trump all the credit for Ford chumming up to him, when the democrats saved the entire region from certain ruin against all republicans only to get backstabbed along with jesus.

Let there be a lesson that no good deed done for the wrong people goes unpunished.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Funniest thing about this thread is that these clowns are giving Trump all the credit for Ford chumming up to him, when the democrats saved the entire region from certain ruin against all republicans only to get backstabbed along with jesus.

Let there be a lesson that no good deed done for the wrong people goes unpunished.

*sniff sniff , boohoo*

 

[agent00f]

*sniff sniff , boohoo*

Worth noting to the liberals this is what these sorts think of your good deeds approach.

IMO time for jesus to show them what happened in the old testament.

 

[Puffnstuff]

If you belong to a union and voted for Trump you have slit your own wrists so please don't complain about the results you are about to receive.

 

[ivwshane]

You can't help those that don't want to help themselves.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Worth noting to the liberals this is what these sorts think of your good deeds approach.

IMO time for jesus to show them what happened in the old testament.

Worth noting to the liberals this is what these sorts think of your good deeds approach.

IMO time for jesus to show them what happened in the old testament.

I like your little violent threat approach. Do you think threatening violence is a winner for the leftists and the Democrats?

" It's time for the stick, and some scars deep enough to learn a lesson from."

 

[agent00f]

I like your little violent threat approach. Do you think threatening violence is a winner for the leftists and the Democrats?

" It's time for the stick, and some scars deep enough to learn a lesson from."

No need for violence, just need to stop the welfare/handouts and speed up technological progress.

 

[Jhhnn]

I like your little violent threat approach. Do you think threatening violence is a winner for the leftists and the Democrats?

" It's time for the stick, and some scars deep enough to learn a lesson from."

While I disagree wit agent 000f, none of what he offered entailed actual violence.

 

[agent00f]

If you belong to a union and voted for Trump you have slit your own wrists so please don't complain about the results you are about to receive.

You can't help those that don't want to help themselves.

Oh, won't worry, Bannon/Trump are looking to take care of their own from that trillion dollar kitty.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

While I disagree wit agent 000f, none of what he offered entailed actual violence.

Do you think he meant a metaphorical stick and emotional scars?

 

[Muse]

Another morsel of phony Trump propaganda

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I like your little violent threat approach. Do you think threatening violence is a winner for the leftists and the Democrats?

" It's time for the stick, and some scars deep enough to learn a lesson from."

unlike drumpf
here are a few quotes from the calming, soothing voice of leadershit.. er ship

"I’d like to punch him in the face," Trump said of one peaceful protester.

AND

"I’ll beat the crap out of you," adding, "Part of the problem ... is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore."

AND

"The audience hit back and that's what we need a little bit more of."

AND

"In the good old days this doesn't happen because they used to treat them very, very rough."

AND

"Knock the crap out of them."

He's such a peaceful, mindful president...

 

[agent00f]

Do you think he meant a metaphorical stick and emotional scars?

I think you're smart enough to read the posts. Just like you're smart enough to know contending them is a losing proposition, so you need to resort to this.

 

[buckshot24]

Another morsel of phony Trump propaganda

Did you see that the OP's assertions have been completely refuted? UAW had nothing to do with this.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

He's notposting in this forum

unlike drumpf
here are a few quotes from the calming, soothing voice of leadershit.. er ship
He's such a peaceful, mindful president...

So you're now a supporter. Good to see.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

He's notposting in this forum


So you're now a supporter. Good to see.

yea, but he's getting his fucked up message out to addle minded fools like you and buckshat and speedy and lk, etc, etc, etc. And you're drinking it up, slobbering it down, murrica! fvck yea!!

never, not even with a gun to my head, fvck drumpf.

 

[MajinCry]

Do you think he meant a metaphorical stick and emotional scars?

So you're telling me that Americans have been force-fed carrots? My god. The country is on fire.

 

[Meghan54]

Did you see that the OP's assertions have been completely refuted? UAW had nothing to do with this.

Can you show me again where the OP's assertion that the UAW, in concert with Ford during their contract negotiations in 2015, didn't address the MKC's departure from the Louisville plant, most likely in 2019 when the Edge/MKC models change?

The UAW contract with Ford plainly states the MKC production will be moved out of the Louisville plant at a future date to provide expansion room, along with a $700M investment in that plant for said expansion.

Or, to say it another way, as the Louisville Courier-Journal, Lousiville's newspaper, described the contract back in an article from Nov. 9, 2015:

At LAP on Fern Valley Road, Ford intends to invest $700 million while adding more production capacity for the Escape SUV after work on the current model of the Lincoln MKC is halted. Settles indicated that the additional Escape production will counter balance overall production at the plant so there will be no decrease in numbers of vehicles coming from the plant and no decline in employment levels.

The speculation is that the MKC production will shift to Chicago Assembly, which the contract states will receive a "new product to be added."

http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...workers-could-get-10k-signing-bonus/75457372/


And as of this month, Ford still confirms that the MKC production is going to be moved out of the Louisville plant with the 2019 model, which makes sense if you're going to move a production line.

Jalopnik reports that Ford is considering its plant in Cuautitlan, Mexico as a future production home for the Lincoln MKC after 2019, but that production will be balanced out, and Louisville Assembly Plant kept open.

http://fordauthority.com/2016/11/pr...kes-credit-for-keeping-louisville-plant-open/


You wouldn't move the line during the last year of a model's production, so Ford isn't moving the MKC's production today, tomorrow, next week, which I guess is what Trump was alluding to....but wasn't what he said. Trump said specifically that he prevented the MKC plant from moving, which is untrue as the plant is an Edge production facility with very little production being put into MKC's. Ford estimates there are going to be over 300k Edges produced this year at Louisville, while fewer then 30k MKC's are going to be made there.

So, where did Trump save anything? Ford's going to move the MKC production out of Louisville....it's in the contract signed with the UAW. To deny that is just wanton ignorance and stupidity on your part.

Unless you think the contract can be invalidated by Trump on a whim, which given Trump's previous behavior on contracts, probably is what Trump actually believes he just did accomplish...but didn't.

 

[buckshot24]

Can you show me again where the OP's assertion that the UAW, in concert with Ford during their contract negotiations in 2015, didn't address the MKC's departure from the Louisville plant, most likely in 2019 when the Edge/MKC models change?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...lled-to-say-keeping-lincoln-plant-in-kentucky

"“We had planned to move the Lincoln MKC out of Louisville Assembly Plant,” Christin Baker, a Ford spokeswoman, said in an e-mail, noting the UAW contract signed last year allowed for such a move. "Cuautitlan plant in Mexico was likely the plant for MKC.""

MKC isn't going to to move to Mexico after the contract expired as it "likely" was. UAW contract negotiations had nothing to do with this.

 

[Pulsar]

I'm happy to give credit to Ford also from changing their plans to move a plant from the US to Mexico. To pretend that Trumps position on NAFTA and his winning the election didn't have anything to do with it is...............less than honest.

I don't think you get it. Earlier this year, Trump blatantly lied about Ford and their intentions with regard to jobs and product placement. As a result, the media went crazy, reported half the story (Ford betrays the US!) and the Ford Board of directors went into damage control mode.

This was political blackmail perpetrated by Trump, supported by our media who can seem to report truthfully.

This wasn't a 'good' thing. This was blackmail by the president elect using his bully pulpit, and Ford doing the smart thing and acquiescing rather than fight with an unprofessional liar for the next 4 years.

 

[buckshot24]

I don't think you get it. Earlier this year, Trump blatantly lied about Ford and their intentions with regard to jobs and product placement. As a result, the media went crazy, reported half the story (Ford betrays the US!) and the Ford Board of directors went into damage control mode.

This was political blackmail perpetrated by Trump, supported by our media who can seem to report truthfully.

This wasn't a 'good' thing. This was blackmail by the president elect using his bully pulpit, and Ford doing the smart thing and acquiescing rather than fight with an unprofessional liar for the next 4 years.

So what you're saying is Trump saved some jobs? I'm sure those workers will take comfort in your moral outrage.

 

[Pulsar]

So what you're saying is Trump saved some jobs? I'm sure those workers will take comfort in your moral outrage.

No jobs were saved.

When Ford moves production, jobs are not lost. The UAW has negotiated that IF a plant is closing the employees affected can use their seniority and move to other plants. In addition, many times buyouts or other concessions are offered to employees. Moving bonuses on the order of $15,000 to $25,000 can be offered (or more) depending on whether the employee has to move.

Second, Ford had not announced that the plant was closing. They announced that the Lincoln vehicle was going south - much like they announced for several vehicles in Michigan. What you fail to realize is that the Lincoln barely sells. The volume is tiny. Around 15,000 MKC's were sold last year. Compare that to 336,000 escapes from the same plant! Before that, they were made in Kansas City. Should we claim that all the jobs at that plant were lost when the move was made?

No.... this is more fuckery by the politicians and lack of truth by the media.

 

[Jhhnn]

Do you think he meant a metaphorical stick and emotional scars?

Obviously.

So what you're saying is Trump saved some jobs? I'm sure those workers will take comfort in your moral outrage.

He didn't save any jobs. The Escape & the MKC are built on the same platform. MKC production will remain in Kentucky & more Escapes will be built in Mexico. The total number of vehicles built in each plant will proceed as planned.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/u...-to-save-a-ford-plant-that-wasnt-closing.html