Trump says he could send US military into Mexico to ‘wage WAR’ on drug cartels

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Bad, bad idea…..
Donald Trump has suggested sending the US Army over the border into Mexico to “wage WAR” on drug cartels.
US president said his country stood “ready, willing & able to get involved and do the job quickly and effectively” if Mexico’s president, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, asked him for help.


His suggestion came after an American family was slaughtered by gunmen during an ambush in Mexico’s Sonora state.


Mr Trump tweeted: “A wonderful family and friends from Utah got caught between two vicious drug cartels, who were shooting at each other, with the result being many great American people killed, including young children, and some missing.


“If Mexico needs or requests help in cleaning out these monsters, the United States stands ready, willing & able to get involved and do the job quickly and effectively. The great new President of Mexico has made this a big issue, but the cartels have become so large and powerful that you sometimes need an army to defeat an army!


“This is the time for Mexico, with the help of the United States, to wage WAR on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth. We merely await a call from your great new president!”


At least nine members of the Mormon family, including twin babies, were killed.


The group belonged to the LeBaron family – a Mormon community that broke away from the main body of the faith and settled in northern Mexico some decades ago.


Relative Julian LeBaron described the attack as a “massacre” and said four boys, two girls and three women had been killed. Some were burnt alive, he said.


The state governments in Sonora and Chihuahua said they had launched an investigation.
Mr Trump has long used the threat of violent crime within Mexico for political ends, blaming the US’ neighbour for “sending” rapists and murderers north over their shared frontier. The rhetoric has underpinned his stringent migration policies and border strategy.
 

fskimospy

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Well we know just who to send.

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K1052

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The US drug war has caused the deaths of countless people in the service of fighting something that simply cannot be defeated through conventional means: the American desire for drugs.

Invading Mexico, even at their request, would probably cause yet more death.
 

Indus

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The US should have just added mexico as a new territory 40 years ago and given em all citizenship and taxed the cartel billionaires to pay for our healthcare and education while making examples of those that didn't pay.

Instead we try to make example of children and moms who cross the border for a better life away from drug cartels and put them in cages.

Are we insane or what?
 

K1052

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The US should have just added mexico as a new territory 40 years ago and given em all citizenship and taxed the cartel billionaires to pay for our healthcare and education while making examples of those that didn't pay.

Instead we try to make example of children and moms who cross the border for a better life away from drug cartels and put them in cages.

Are we insane or what?

I can only imagine the GOP reaction these days to say the senate chamber recognizing the senior Senator from Jalisco lol. Politically speaking Mexico should be fertile ground for social conservatism and the old core of GOP ideology but the party has given in to it's baser instincts over the last 20 years culminating in open terror of all brown people everywhere embodied by Trump.
 

zinfamous

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* If asked by Mexico first. Slightly misleading headline but this is business as usual.

Did you just miss the forest for the trees? I believe you did...

back to the Drug War: do you agree with Trump that we should just perpetuate the unending violence, by engaging militarily with these private armies that are the cartels? We've been going at it for almost 5 decades now, but It's bound to work eventually, right?

I thought you guys voted for Trump for his isolationism and that he promised to do things differently? No?
 

brandonbull

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This is true but the very idea reveals a total lack of knowledge. The drug trade is a balloon. Squeezing it one place just causes it to bulge out elsewhere.

The drug trade might be malleable but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to reshape it. The current incarnation cannot be allowed to continue because the cartels are starting to rival the power of the Democratically elected government of Mexico and have no fear of using very violent methods to expand their control. In recent history, the US hasn't allowed for the continued foreign organized violence against our citizens and interests.
 

K1052

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The drug trade might be malleable but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to reshape it. The current incarnation cannot be allowed to continue because the cartels are starting to rival the power of the Democratically elected government of Mexico and have no fear of using very violent methods to expand their control. In recent history, the US hasn't allowed for the continued foreign organized violence against our citizens and interests.

I don't think the circumstances are special or new really. Colombia went through worse in the 80s. Lots of Americans have died in the drug war both here and abroad.
 

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Did you just miss the forest for the trees? I believe you did...

back to the Drug War: do you agree with Trump that we should just perpetuate the unending violence, by engaging militarily with these private armies that are the cartels? We've been going at it for almost 5 decades now, but It's bound to work eventually, right?

I thought you guys voted for Trump for his isolationism and that he promised to do things differently? No?
Seems like you missed the forest. The drug trade is the bank that will allow cartels to become rivals to the Mexican government. Mexico is very important to our economy and the US isn't going to sit back and ignore requests from Mexico for assistance in stamping out threats to the status quo. Foreign groups of armed fighters attacking our citizens and interests negates isolationism.

Cartel: You want that manufacturing plant to keep running or the nice tourist spot to stay open? Pay us our cut.
Rich business owners: Hey US politicians. If you like your healthy campaign donations, you better settle those cartels down.
 
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zinfamous

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Seems like you missed the forest. The drug trade is the bank that will allow cartels to become rivals to the Mexican government. Mexico is very important to our economy and the US isn't going to sit back and ignore requests from Mexico for assistance in stamping out threats to the status quo. Foreign groups of armed fighters attacking our citizens and interests negates isolationism.

Cartel: You want that manufacturing plant to keep running or the nice tourist spot to stay open? Pay us our cut.
Rich business owners: Hey US politicians. If you like your healthy campaign donations, you better settle those cartels down.

Oh wow, so now Mexico is important to our economy?

lol that you support the wall...and anything Trump.

again, just a demonstration of your failure to read. Did I say the cartels aren't a problem? Did I say it is not a problem that doesn't need a solution? I stated only that the status quo of going to war with them hasn't worked, ever. So perhaps there is another solution?

Do you think Trump has one good idea? I'd like to hear it, because skepticism over anything he claims is the only proper default response to him so far.
 

brandonbull

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Interesting that you bring up misleading statements are you ready to tell us what IRS audits Obama ordered? You made the claim and have yet to back it up.

Unless someone else was President, that happened under Obama's admin.
 
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Unless someone else was President, that happened under Obama's admin.
Hmm, reading comprehension problems. Bryce said you claimed Obama ordered it but why let a few pesky facts get in the way.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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If they moved to Mexico and set up their polygamy commune to escape US laws...they're not entitled to any sort of protection from the US government...nor any retaliation by the government for being murdered in Mexico.
That's right, swing that judgement hammer. Feel better about your life choices.

There's actually some solid statements regarding protection of US citizenry abroad:
 

K1052

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Without consent of Congress, Skippy? You and Trump need to brush up your Constitution

The executive branch would have to designate the cartels as terrorist organizations but could, at the invitation of Mexico, act militarily under the 2001 AUMF.

Which just goes to show that giving the executive branch such enormous war powers that don't sunset was a bad idea.
 

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Unless someone else was President, that happened under Obama's admin.

Uhmmm, did you miss the multiple investigations that determined the IRS didn’t target conservatives?

Is this how strong your media bubble is?
 

IronWing

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Trump could raid the DEA budget to pay for his proposed foreign adventure. The way things are going, all the money that Trump illegally diverted for his wall could be put back into the accounts as appropriated by Congress through Trump's own stupid, impulsive actions.